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Good deal for Airbus 320 rating in Europe?

Old 9th Dec 2011, 07:25
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Good deal for Airbus 320 rating in Europe?

Hello All,

I'm thinking about doing a Rating on the 320 Series next year. I've a South African CPL, MCC (20 hrs) (Frozen ATPL) and 850 Hours. Any good deals for an inital on an A320 type rating??

Thank you!
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Old 9th Dec 2011, 21:18
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i'm going at cockpit4u next month
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Old 10th Dec 2011, 12:00
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Old 10th Dec 2011, 17:36
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Hello G-Pilot,

I've sent them an E-mail and they replied few hours later! Just below 20 000 Euros if you do 4 touch & go! Not too bad at all!

Airbus_321: Sorry your link does not work..
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Old 11th Dec 2011, 16:21
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Do your research.

There will be very little in the way of support for you once you've paid for and completed your rating. No matter what you're told.

And that is not me bitching. I flew many times with the MD of C4U - he was the FO, I the Captain. A nicer guy you couldn't meet, but the facts remain that it is a business.

You are a profit centre and there are few jobs for low time FO's, even less for no time FO's.

Don't be fooled by anyone.Only do it if you can AFFORD it.
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Old 11th Dec 2011, 18:18
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your selling your soul
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Old 11th Dec 2011, 19:44
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What utter cobblers; do the rating and you will ultimately find employment.

Do nothing, you will stay unemployed with a skill set becoming rusty by the day. Fact!

I believe the prudent course of action is to look at the rating as a stepping stone. Once rated; apply everywhere - if successful - job done.

If still no joy - then arrange a 500 hour Line Training package, this will certainly land you a job.

It's the only way. Good Luck, and enjoy!!
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Old 11th Dec 2011, 20:14
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ask around i didn't say it's the best choice it's what i decided and price was good too.
the Airbus_a321 link is working for me try it again!
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Old 11th Dec 2011, 20:20
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BigNumber i agree 100% with your thoughts.
unfortunately this is what the pilot job market has become off..
we like it or not.. well we don't!!! but this is the reality today
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Old 11th Dec 2011, 20:41
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Do you really think that either of your 2 scenarios guarantee you a job?

If so, you're really, really badly mistaken.

I hope you, or mummy and daddy have deep pockets , as you'll need them.
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Old 11th Dec 2011, 22:01
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madness

In a few years beeing a pilot will no longer be a job, just an expensive hobbie for the golden boys!!

The beancounters must love you!!
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 05:34
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Narrow Runway,

Yes I believe exactly that.

Looking ahead, I further believe that a MEP/IR with some FI time will prove utterly useless.

What would you suggest these folks do? Just wander off into the night and spoil the crew bus?
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 07:45
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Well, then you're a bit naive I'm afraid.

Plenty of people have paid for ratings, even paid for line training and not got full time work for one reason or another.

The company that I worked for until recently DID sometimes take guys with a blank A320 rating, having only done the TR course and base training. However, let me tell you candidly that the UK candidates were, and are, still a LONG way down the pecking order behind locals in the same position. Or even behind locals without ratings.

That scenario will never change. Can you name a UK airline who takes candidates with ZERO hours on type? Unless you've bought an expensive rating from an "approved" supplier, or been fortunate enough to pass the BA selection process. I can't think of anyone who takes zero hours guys who've done their own rating at, for instance, C4U.

I can think of lots of Chinese, Eastern European, Middle East and Far East carriers, but not a single UK one.

You have absolutely no facts to base your assertions on.

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Old 12th Dec 2011, 11:49
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We recently advertised for a new FO and didn't have many applicants, only one person on here contacted me about it. It's a decent salary, we get well looked after, it has good benefits and there is lots of flying (5 aircraft), we also have pretty good job security as the company is doing very very well.

I appreciate there are many unfortunate souls out there who have put in many many hours of research into different operators and sending out tailor made letters and CV's and not getting anywhere, but I think they are the "silent few".

To go and spend 20k on a type rating with no interview lined up for an operator of the type is quite remarkable.

I know our boss would be gobsmacked if he interviewed someone who had just paid 20k on an Airbus type rating just as a bit of "speculation".

PS we currently have no vacancies, the point I'm making is that when we were advertising not many people saw the advert.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 12:45
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Hi corporate pilot,

I appreciate that the company you work for are no longer recruiting, can you please indicate where and when the ad that received such a poor response was placed.
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Old 12th Dec 2011, 16:23
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Captain and FO positions were on the company website for a number of weeks. It may also have been on an agencies site but I couldn't be certain, I know we've used them in the past but I am not sure whether that was the case this time.

We had more people apply for the Captains role than that of the FO. Make of that what you will. (requirements for FO's were frozen ATPL, 200 hours and MCC)

I know there are many resourceful new pilots out there, this isn't aimed at them, but when I come on here there seems no end of lazy ones who would rather throw 20k at the problem rather than actually sitting down and developing a strategy. It's this culture of "chucking money at the problem" which I find quite remarkable.

This is just my opinion of course.
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 07:20
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Hi corporate pilot,

Many thanks for the information, I try to keep a good watch on the recruitment area of as many operators websites as possible but I guess that I missed the one for the company that you work for. However it is refreshing to note that there are operators out there that are willing to give low hours ladies and gents a chance, I would be interested to know which company you work for and Iíll add the website to my list, if you donít want to post on open forum then drop me a PM. If youíd rather conserve your anonymity and reserve the right to remain silent then thatís fine.

Weíre probably drifting way off the topic of this thread right now but I do agree that there are many individuals who forego a concerted job search and go straight to P2F, equally I guess that there are many who get frustrated with continually chasing jobs with no success and end up falling into P2F as their only perceived escape route.

Good luck and sincere best wishes to you all whichever group you fall into.
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 08:41
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Pineteam:
I've a South African CPL, MCC (20 hrs) (Frozen ATPL) and 850 Hours.
Continue to build up your experience and you might soon have enough experience to fly a Cessna Caravan.

When you'll have a few thousands hour of real flying you might think about an airliner. Airbus are for real pilots who have real experience, because this airplane won't teach you how to fly.
850 that's really not enough.
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Old 13th Dec 2011, 10:55
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Just below 20 000 Euros if you do 4 touch & go!
Hold the phone, you need 6 touch and go's including 2 full stops to gain the rating in EASA land. How much more for the rest?

And which airline in their right mind would take on A320 'blind rated' pilots over which the airline had no say or oversight in he training?? You can bet your bottom dollar you won't receive any low vis qualification what so ever, meaning an airline has to invest in you in any case, and let's guess, the bare minimum number of sims before first shot at LST. So 7? Training slots and the LST, oh yeah, the requirement to join the course must be a big cheque right? No assessment (well, meaningful one) to see if you are suitable? So you bin a sim or the LST, hey presto, you get charged for yet another remedial trg slot then pay for another LST (all of which you already paid for out of your cheque, but the company charges you again in any case). Quite different to any airline that holds a TRTO!

As corporate-pilot says, throwing money at a problem won't make it go away. This obsession with ' I must be in the 320/737 or it's all been a waste of time and I will never get to fly long haul'' mentality shows that perhaps some here really were blinkered by glossy brochures. The 320 flies you, why bother being a pilot at all? now the caravan or dash or RJ100, and corporate types are good pilot makers!
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Old 14th Dec 2011, 09:28
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"I can't think of anyone who takes zero hours guys who've done their own rating at, for instance, C4U.

I can think of lots of Chinese, Eastern European, Middle East and Far East carriers, but not a single UK one.

You have absolutely no facts to base your assertions on."

Look again; at no point did I suggest that anyone would land a UK job straight out of a TRTO.

I did suggest that if one invests in a type rating, and if still unsuccessful, a period of Line Training, a job WILL ultimately be secured. To wit, a stepping stone approach.

Clearly, which ever way this is wrapped, a punter will need to pack his bags for a period of time out of UK.

Reading your post (copied above), it might appear that you agree with me? Once your assumption of UK is removed.

(The small Biz Jet I fly is not UK registered or based either.)
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