Good deal for Airbus 320 rating in Europe?
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Big Number,
This is why our industry has become so ridiculously under qualified.
Have you ever flown a 737 or A320? Would you know what the REAL likelihood is of employment ANYWHERE in the world with no time on type, outside of your own little corporate bubble?
Unlike you, I've flown quite a few types, including A320, 330 and 340 as well as B757 and a BIG corporate aircraft. I've flown as an FO and as Captain - which for the avoidance of doubt is what I am now - experienced, and a Captain.
I've even done a short spell in management. But that's another tale.
What is never certain is what is around the corner. But, to suggest that by buying a type rating and/line training you'll get a job is just plain wrong. And that's what is wrong with our industry - a cut corners mentality. Why should you pay to fly?
Good luck in joining the big leagues. But there are no short cuts, there may be ways of bankrupting yourself, but that is no shortcut.
This is why our industry has become so ridiculously under qualified.
Have you ever flown a 737 or A320? Would you know what the REAL likelihood is of employment ANYWHERE in the world with no time on type, outside of your own little corporate bubble?
Unlike you, I've flown quite a few types, including A320, 330 and 340 as well as B757 and a BIG corporate aircraft. I've flown as an FO and as Captain - which for the avoidance of doubt is what I am now - experienced, and a Captain.
I've even done a short spell in management. But that's another tale.
What is never certain is what is around the corner. But, to suggest that by buying a type rating and/line training you'll get a job is just plain wrong. And that's what is wrong with our industry - a cut corners mentality. Why should you pay to fly?
Good luck in joining the big leagues. But there are no short cuts, there may be ways of bankrupting yourself, but that is no shortcut.
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Hi N.R,
Just went tech, (FADEC prob); so home tonight instead of flying my little Jet.
Away Sunday now.
Yes, you are quite correct; I have never flown either a 737 or A320. Never will..........cant afford to. I have all the responsibilities of life. Paying to fly, or even low pay, is not an attractive option.
And yes, you are also quite correct, my cosy corporate bubble is a Private Op, directly employed by a private owner.
Mercifully, I will not be joining the Big Leagues but, for those with the money to hand, buying 500 or 1000 hours on type is perhaps the only way ahead. Indeed, look at adverts running on pprune. The need is identified and met. Some airlines seem to welcome this new income stream. I know that my family and I appreciate the subsidized Air Fares.
Back to the debate; what is the remaining option? Sit looking at an impressive blue beer mat; boasting some MEP time!!!! Maybe get an FI rating? Utter cobblers.
IMHO. Hours on type is now the only way. That or just give up and admit that all the time effort and money has been flushed down the obvious.
By way of background, and to back my original assertion, I operate regularly into CMN and the chaps who paid up to RAM seem to be doing okay. Most are off to Qatar for a healthy sum. Good luck to them.
Show me any job available to some weaner armed with a MEP/IR and a winning smile. Nothing is there? Best call Daddy again then!
Finally,
Best wishes for Xmas
Just went tech, (FADEC prob); so home tonight instead of flying my little Jet.
Away Sunday now.Yes, you are quite correct; I have never flown either a 737 or A320. Never will..........cant afford to. I have all the responsibilities of life. Paying to fly, or even low pay, is not an attractive option.
And yes, you are also quite correct, my cosy corporate bubble is a Private Op, directly employed by a private owner.
Mercifully, I will not be joining the Big Leagues but, for those with the money to hand, buying 500 or 1000 hours on type is perhaps the only way ahead. Indeed, look at adverts running on pprune. The need is identified and met. Some airlines seem to welcome this new income stream. I know that my family and I appreciate the subsidized Air Fares.
Back to the debate; what is the remaining option? Sit looking at an impressive blue beer mat; boasting some MEP time!!!! Maybe get an FI rating? Utter cobblers.
IMHO. Hours on type is now the only way. That or just give up and admit that all the time effort and money has been flushed down the obvious.
By way of background, and to back my original assertion, I operate regularly into CMN and the chaps who paid up to RAM seem to be doing okay. Most are off to Qatar for a healthy sum. Good luck to them.
Show me any job available to some weaner armed with a MEP/IR and a winning smile. Nothing is there? Best call Daddy again then!
Finally,
Best wishes for Xmas
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Hi B N,
That's the rub though isn't it? If more people had sat on their hands and didn't subsidise second rate airlines by paying to fly, the issue would probably disappear of its own volition....or would never gave arisen all those years ago.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy which those with cash to burn or stupid bank managers have perpetuated.
Anyway, the genie is out of the bottle. It won't be put back any time soon.
Like you, I'm on a private aircraft - type rating paid for by the corporation. I'd never go back to airlines unless there was no other way.
Happy Xmas too.
That's the rub though isn't it? If more people had sat on their hands and didn't subsidise second rate airlines by paying to fly, the issue would probably disappear of its own volition....or would never gave arisen all those years ago.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy which those with cash to burn or stupid bank managers have perpetuated.
Anyway, the genie is out of the bottle. It won't be put back any time soon.
Like you, I'm on a private aircraft - type rating paid for by the corporation. I'd never go back to airlines unless there was no other way.
Happy Xmas too.
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Hello,
Well I have now 1800+ hours including 75O hrs on the Caravan and 650hrs on twin piston ( C402/1 C 421 ans BE 58/55).
I did not do the Airbus rating yet but still thinking of doing it. I beleive now I've done enough to move on. Didn't I?
Yes it's sad that we have to pay for a rating, but it seems to be the new standard today. I'm hoping to get a job on ATR sometimes this year tho, so hopefully no rating to pay.
Well I have now 1800+ hours including 75O hrs on the Caravan and 650hrs on twin piston ( C402/1 C 421 ans BE 58/55).
I did not do the Airbus rating yet but still thinking of doing it. I beleive now I've done enough to move on. Didn't I?
Yes it's sad that we have to pay for a rating, but it seems to be the new standard today. I'm hoping to get a job on ATR sometimes this year tho, so hopefully no rating to pay.
