Euro American School of Aviation Ormond Beach FL - AVOID!!!!!!!

[Gomrath]

Originally Posted by Righto

I wonder if any prospective client has spotted that this company is still advertising FIC courses. To the best of my knowledge, it does not have any CAA approved instructors to undertake this advanced course.

Can anyone confirm?

You posted this same question back in October...
http://www.pprune.org/professional-p...ml#post6755867

Surely the solution is for you to ask them to put it in writing? Then report back..

[Righto]

EASA

Thanks. Have done.

[VJW]

I've been to OBA/EASA flight training a number of times, always got what I paid for.

Everyone has their own experience as has already been said, but these threads complaining about this school appear on this forum every 6 months or so. If people who were happy with the school posted a new thread every time, I'd guess they'd be way more!

Just my opinion.

[Swede80]

Did my PPL at OBA four years ago, got what I paid for and had a good time.

Allowed 5 1/2 weeks for the course, completed PPL including written tests in 3 1/2. Same for most of the other guys who were there at the time. Had the same instructor all the way through. Only extra cost that I didn't know of beforehand was some insurance which was hundred something dollars. No big deal.

I fly professionally today and had to do the PPL syllabus again when I took an integrated course at a well recognized FTO in Europe. As far as I can recall there were no parts of the syllabus that were missed at OBA.

Guess OBA isn't for everyone, saw a few people who clearly weren't made for flying. One guy was switching aircraft type a handful of times because he had a hard time landing and figured it was the aircraft which was at fault.

Maybe I was lucky, maybe others where not.

[Golf--Lima--Papa]

Got my Night Qualification done with EASA at Ormond Beach in the summer.

Completed over 2 nights and was very straight forward, I paid exactly what was advertised on the website and not a dollar more.

I appreciate that this was only a very short course, however, I was very impressed with the way I was treated.

[mrmum]

I don't think that either on this thread, or any of the many previous posts about dodgy experiences training in the US, that EASA or (any of the other FTOs) will rip-off/mess-about every customer they get. If that was the case, it wouldn't take long before no one would be going, regardless of price or amount of advertising.
I've got no personal experience of the schools doing JAA courses in FLA, all the flying I've done in the US (~100 hrs over 15 years) has been done at establishments offering FAA training.
However it does appear that a significant minority of the students going to EASA come away very dissatisfied. I was once told the measure of a business isn't how many happy customers there are, it's how they deal with it when things go wrong. Bearing that in mind, I'd be avoiding some FTOs.

[B2N2]

If that was the case, it wouldn't take long before no one would be going, regardless of price or amount of advertising

Unfortunately your assumption is only partially correct.
They do and they will for the following reasons;
A fair amount of students show up unprepared, not necessarily as their course of training is concerned but unprepared for the training none the less.
They have spent very little time researching flight schools and even less time in making their final choice.
Human factors I'd say but a majority knows very little if anything about aviation except for chatting at the bar of a club or reading the occasional magazine.
This student never considers why one school advertises with 4,995 and another with 9,995. They assume them all to be the same and without any further research choose the cheapest one.
They assume upon arrival that students cannot learn in new aircraft since they may bang and bouce once in a while and are let to believe that flying 40 year old death traps is normal.
They are in a foreign country dependant on somebody elses visa having just started a completely new episode in their lifes.
This makes people very dependent and very hesitant to change.
They assume because this school treats them and their employees a certain way that it is normal, why would any other school be any different?
This school advertises in 24 magazines and their name is all over the internet, how can they be bad? Maybe it's me, maybe I'm a bad student. I don't want to loose my deposit. I can't afford to change. They threaten to cancel my visa I'll have to stick with it.
After an x-amount of time they walk away with a certificate and they are so glad they made it that they don't really care about the treatment anymore.
They have accomplished what they came here to do so it can't be all bad.
Yes it is all bad and will stay that way.
Do not pay large amounts up front and be willing to cut your losses and WALK AWAY.

The problem is that starting students ( by definition) are laymen in the industry and have no idea what the norm is for "normal" or even acceptable.
They have no prior experience in this industry.
Most will not realize how badly they have been shafted, as a human being and training quality wise, till they go to another school and try a foolow up rating or conversion.
Then they will realize have bad things have been.
By then people think that it has no purpose anymore to complain or make it public. As in what's the use, I'll just never go back there again.
Not realizing that whole generations will follow in their footsteps and have to deal with the same amount of misery.

[tonker]

Did my PPL there is 97. Did it in 19 days comfortably. Work hard, volunteer to turn up at the crack of dawn and you not only get a "fresh" instructor, but can get another flight in later on.

Study for exams before hand. You are not going for ground school. This is where i saw most of the problems occurring.

Had time for Molly Browns to boot

[Gomrath]

I think this has run its current course and will no doubt rear its head again in a few months time.