Air Transport Management Msc courses
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 130
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Air Transport Management Msc courses
Hi folks,
my current flying job leaves me with a lot of free time and i'm thinking of using it to expand my horizon a bit... and these Air Transport Management Msc Courses, both from City Uni and from Cranfield, do look quite interesting.
A few questions:
1) Would you rather go to City or to Cranfield? From what i heard both of them have a fine reputation, so in the end i think it won't really matter where i get my degree from!? Course fees are roughly the same anyway...
2)Is this degree actually worth anything? Even though i'm interested in these aviation buisiness matters, i'm not really in the mood to invest a substantial amount of time and money on a degree, which is nice to have but no one really needs. From the money i could do an FI Rating instead or pay off my debt a bit quicker...
3)Has anybody went through these courses and can offer me with a bit of insight and advice?
my current flying job leaves me with a lot of free time and i'm thinking of using it to expand my horizon a bit... and these Air Transport Management Msc Courses, both from City Uni and from Cranfield, do look quite interesting.
A few questions:
1) Would you rather go to City or to Cranfield? From what i heard both of them have a fine reputation, so in the end i think it won't really matter where i get my degree from!? Course fees are roughly the same anyway...
2)Is this degree actually worth anything? Even though i'm interested in these aviation buisiness matters, i'm not really in the mood to invest a substantial amount of time and money on a degree, which is nice to have but no one really needs. From the money i could do an FI Rating instead or pay off my debt a bit quicker...
3)Has anybody went through these courses and can offer me with a bit of insight and advice?
I've not done, or taught on either of these courses, although I know both institutions.
In my opinion, they are of significant value to a mid career airline pilot looking to move into management roles within the industry, either instead or whilst continuing to fly. They are probably of little use to anybody else, although I've known people who aren't pilots trying to use these courses to pursue other career routes - and best of luck to them.
Also in my opinion, both are good Universities, but Cranfield: for aviation masters degrees, is world leading (compared to City which is only world class). It's also in a nice bit of countryside instead of a big expensive connurbation.
An FI rating I'd have thought is quite a bit quicker and cheaper, and quite a different beast. It certainly won't eat a full year of your life, which an MSc certainly will, it'll also bring short term financial return - but won't build a long term career to senior levels in the same way that the MSc might.
In my opinion, they are of significant value to a mid career airline pilot looking to move into management roles within the industry, either instead or whilst continuing to fly. They are probably of little use to anybody else, although I've known people who aren't pilots trying to use these courses to pursue other career routes - and best of luck to them.
Also in my opinion, both are good Universities, but Cranfield: for aviation masters degrees, is world leading (compared to City which is only world class). It's also in a nice bit of countryside instead of a big expensive connurbation.
An FI rating I'd have thought is quite a bit quicker and cheaper, and quite a different beast. It certainly won't eat a full year of your life, which an MSc certainly will, it'll also bring short term financial return - but won't build a long term career to senior levels in the same way that the MSc might.
It certainly won't eat a full year of your life, which an MSc certainly will,
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 130
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks for the replies so far...
Genghis, i didn't want to compare the full Msc course to a FI Rating in any way... The point i was trying to make is that whilst i'm really interested in the course contents, i wouldn't do the the course just for the fun of it or to tick off the box "Have an academic degree" (already did that, i hold the german equivalent of an Msc in physics
) So i should have rather said, if the degree is not worth it (because employers don't really care about it due to e.g lack of substance...), i'll buy books and read about the topics which interest me while saving the money for an FI Rating or to pay off my debt quicker.
I would certainly go for the part-time Msc program as i cannot afford taking a whole year off. It seems to me that the City Uni course is more tailored to the working pilot and the locations where modules are taught are quite easy for me to reach. Still, if the name Cranfield is what you need to have on your cv, then thats a serious option to look into as well if the part-time course is structured so that you can work full-time and live abroad.
Would still love to hear from anybody who went through one of these courses and who could provide me with a little bit of insight.
Genghis, i didn't want to compare the full Msc course to a FI Rating in any way... The point i was trying to make is that whilst i'm really interested in the course contents, i wouldn't do the the course just for the fun of it or to tick off the box "Have an academic degree" (already did that, i hold the german equivalent of an Msc in physics
) So i should have rather said, if the degree is not worth it (because employers don't really care about it due to e.g lack of substance...), i'll buy books and read about the topics which interest me while saving the money for an FI Rating or to pay off my debt quicker. I would certainly go for the part-time Msc program as i cannot afford taking a whole year off. It seems to me that the City Uni course is more tailored to the working pilot and the locations where modules are taught are quite easy for me to reach. Still, if the name Cranfield is what you need to have on your cv, then thats a serious option to look into as well if the part-time course is structured so that you can work full-time and live abroad.
Would still love to hear from anybody who went through one of these courses and who could provide me with a little bit of insight.
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sussex
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MSc
PB,
Both these degrees are good. Of course they will not improve your handling ability, but they will improve your ability to reason and analyse.
The Project or Thesis is at least half of the work and is the bit where you can demonstrate your own particular angle so it is worth giving considerable thought to what you can write that would help the industry and that you would find totally absorbing for six months or so, before you even start.
Of course an MSc will help you if you want to go into management, not least because it shows that you are self motivated and willing to work hard. If you can get a Merit or Distinction, even better. Another advantage is that if you should be unfortunate enough to lose your medical you will find having a Master's opens doors.
You also get to work and socialise with a great bunch of guys so you make a lot of friends and get connections in the industry for years to come.
Since you ask I did mine at City.
Both these degrees are good. Of course they will not improve your handling ability, but they will improve your ability to reason and analyse.
The Project or Thesis is at least half of the work and is the bit where you can demonstrate your own particular angle so it is worth giving considerable thought to what you can write that would help the industry and that you would find totally absorbing for six months or so, before you even start.
Of course an MSc will help you if you want to go into management, not least because it shows that you are self motivated and willing to work hard. If you can get a Merit or Distinction, even better. Another advantage is that if you should be unfortunate enough to lose your medical you will find having a Master's opens doors.
You also get to work and socialise with a great bunch of guys so you make a lot of friends and get connections in the industry for years to come.
Since you ask I did mine at City.
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Age: 55
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Did my MSc at Cranfield.
Would recommend this rather than city purely because of it's reputation.
Completed the cse part time in just over 18 months flying full time long haul during the period.
Due to the work load involved, and cost only bother if you intend to go into management. £30k buys a lot of holidays.
Also be aware that in many airlines Flt Ops management is very much about time in and politics. The MSc does guarantee you advancement but it will give you a very broad view on areas such as finance, marketing etc.
An MSc, or MBNA are much more useful outside of Flt Ops if you decide to move to another department.
Would recommend this rather than city purely because of it's reputation.
Completed the cse part time in just over 18 months flying full time long haul during the period.
Due to the work load involved, and cost only bother if you intend to go into management. £30k buys a lot of holidays.
Also be aware that in many airlines Flt Ops management is very much about time in and politics. The MSc does guarantee you advancement but it will give you a very broad view on areas such as finance, marketing etc.
An MSc, or MBNA are much more useful outside of Flt Ops if you decide to move to another department.
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Center of the Universe
Age: 39
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Do I need a bachelors degree in aviation in order to be eligible?
I graduated with a business administration degree in the US.
Really want to do this course, but wonder if they will even accept me.
I graduated with a business administration degree in the US.
Really want to do this course, but wonder if they will even accept me.
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Here and there
Posts: 263
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
An MSc, or MBNA are much more useful outside of Flt Ops if you decide to move to another department.
You won't go wrong with a MSc in Aviation Mgmt, especially at those institutions, but if you want to do something outside of aviation, or in another department, as quoted, you may have a tough time selling your skills.
That's just my viewpoint though.
Cranfield in particular are very selective however, and I'd strongly recommend contacting them directly.
G
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Staffordshire,UK
Age: 29
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Uni..
Im also looking into Air Transport management courses. Huddersfield & Loughborough universities also do these degrees. From speaking to the teacher at Huddersfield I got the impression that the course was mainly a management course with Air transport aspects. It also offered a years work placement.
