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Old 5th Feb 2016, 18:57
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Ops

what happened with the ops exams, i have it next month....
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Old 6th Feb 2016, 14:34
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Originally Posted by JPlumridge
I took Ops exam this week got results today and it is my lowest mark by far! I either focussed on completely wrong material or the examiners have taken a new direction with Ops.
Same here, I was getting 90% plus everytime on Aviation exam, walked out the exam not knowing what the hell I had been studying and only got 60 marks in the exam!! So back to studying!!
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OPS!

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Any further feedback on the OPS exam would be greatly appreciated. I'm sitting it next week and noticing people's responses hasn't got me feeling too great!

Rgds

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Old 7th Feb 2016, 14:18
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Ops was an easy given exam about 9th month ago, looks like those new questions have appeared
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There would be a lot more about the insides of a company and AOC operations as opposed to aerial work.

A good read of COMMISSION REGULATION (EU) No 965/2012 would be instructive

Phil

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thats a 148 page document?! anything a bit more specific, some example questions pls?
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Well, I wrote a lot of them so I'm not about to tell you what they are. But all of them were taken from that document. I don't think it's too much to ask any pilot to know the rules that govern their activities, even if there are 148 pages.

As mentioned, more of an emphasis on company operations, who is responsible for what, with a fair sprinkling of performance regs and obstruction clearance would be a good start.

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Originally Posted by paco
Well, I wrote a lot of them so I'm not about to tell you what they are. But all of them were taken from that document. I don't think it's too much to ask any pilot to know the rules that govern their activities, even if there are 148 pages.

As mentioned, more of an emphasis on company operations, who is responsible for what, with a fair sprinkling of performance regs and obstruction clearance would be a good start.

phil
Thank you for the heads up Phil!

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thanks, howcome its only coming out like this rather than through the schools, i mean, hardly fair if people not expecting this extra material.
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Incoming.........!!
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Old 8th Feb 2016, 14:22
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Hi Phil,

I see that you mention you wrote a series of questions for the OPS exam, using statements taken from "Commission Regulation (EU) No 965/2012". Now this may be a stupid question, but when you wrote the questions would you hand-on-heart be able to say that you could link every one to an EASA learning objective, as opposed to plucking statements out of the document for the sake of writing questions?

The reason I ask is that our instructors teach us OPS directly alongside the EASA learning objectives, so there should be nothing in these exams that we haven't already been taught or seen before. I just wondering why so many people have failed this exam all of a sudden? I've been through the learning objectives myself and won't be afraid to comment and appeal anything that I feel doesn't fall inline with an LO statement.

Than again, am I just being paranoid?
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I just do what I am asked - you need to take that question up with EASA. They give all question writers a list of LO areas in which to write questions.

It seems that the new raft of questions has finally made it to the coal face.

"thanks, howcome its only coming out like this rather than through the schools, i mean, hardly fair if people not expecting this extra material."

I am a school * and it has been mentioned for months on here that new questions are being written every year. Did you expect that they would stay static for ever?

Phil

*and I have been in contact with other schools with a heads up on the new LOs, having asked their opinion in the peer reviews, in case you think I am keeping it to myself. Naturally, this does not apply to questions. Not even my students know about those.

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I suppose it depends on if you have been studying based on the Learning Objectives, or studying answers to question banks?
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questions

ok thanks paco,and most recent most, not learning just via question bank but through the online material that I am given, not seen the learning objectives, just the lectures I have been given, where is the link to the LO.

obviously as well, there is an element of doing the question bank and learning the type of question etc and how it is asked and lets be honest there is a bit of remembering what you think the answer is rather than understanding every single bit of detail as the content is so large....
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Current LOs can be found here (NPA);

https://easa.europa.eu/document-libr...osed-amendment
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Hi Phil,
Was it the existing NPA25 LO or NPA29 LO the questions were written for? The NPA 25 Learning Objectives listed requirements as "LO State the requirements for First Aid Kits (OPS 1.735) where as the current regulations are a different format CAT.IDE.A.220 First-aid kit

What was the latest amendment you used with COMMISSION REGULATION (EU) No 965/2012? Was it COMMISSION REGULATION (EU) 2015/640 of 23 April 2015. That takes it to about 401 pages.

The EASA Easy Access Rules for Air Operations runs to 1673 pages and is COMMISSION REGULATION (EU) No 965/2012 with guidance material.
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NPA 2014-29 (D)(1) for subjects 010 to 040 and NPA 2014-29 (D)(2) for subjects 050 to 090.

https://easa.europa.eu/document-libr...osed-amendment

We tried to get away from the numbers and stick to the simple requirements. For example, the phrase is "According to regulations" (if used) was used as opposed to "Under JAR OPS 4.666...."

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I am waiting for clarification from the CAA. At first sight it appears that ECB03 (the latest question bank) has been partly populated according to the learning objectives in NPA 2014-29. This NPA has not yet been ratified by an Agency decision.

Edited to add: The CAA have just replied and denied that this is the case, and say that all questions are to the older NPA-25 objectives that we teach to.

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Been keeping an eye on this thread as our class were one of the unfortunate lot to have taken it this week. Still can't believe the CAA are digging their heels in, even when the evidence is there to see it was an unfair exam. (We've been told one person passed in the whole country this week!)

So I'm trying to gather as much info together as possible before our resits next week. If anyone can shed some light to where these new question are coming from it would be greatly appreciated.

And if anyone knows what the correct procedure for a cabin crew member who discovers a slow decompression is? Our guesses were all wrong!!

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And there's a ridiculous question......

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