Does it matter what school you train at?????
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Does it matter what school you train at?????
Does it matter which school you do your training at for later on when looking for that first job or jobs???
its about whether you pass all the exams and check rides and end up getting your license especially being a safe pilot and doing things by the books not to forget also being professional.
or does it actually matter with whom you did your training with for later on when you hand out your resumes to companies especially when you looking for your first job. does it help having the name of the best flight academy on your resume?
So which is it that can make the difference???. do companies really matter where you went for your flight training to obtain your licenses or don't they really check whether you did it at the top of the elite of flight training academies out there.
what matters to them is that you can fly, you're well knowledge and put safety first.
Just trying to get some insight from others out there. me personally i would think the companies don't care what school you got your licenses from they more important to see if you fly proficiently, professional and fly with safety..
its about whether you pass all the exams and check rides and end up getting your license especially being a safe pilot and doing things by the books not to forget also being professional.
or does it actually matter with whom you did your training with for later on when you hand out your resumes to companies especially when you looking for your first job. does it help having the name of the best flight academy on your resume?
So which is it that can make the difference???. do companies really matter where you went for your flight training to obtain your licenses or don't they really check whether you did it at the top of the elite of flight training academies out there.
what matters to them is that you can fly, you're well knowledge and put safety first.
Just trying to get some insight from others out there. me personally i would think the companies don't care what school you got your licenses from they more important to see if you fly proficiently, professional and fly with safety..
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No he's not.
The facts are that in the majority of cases nobody knows apart from the people actually going through the CVs. There have been a few cases where particular airlines have specified that they prefer if all your training is done at the same place, but beyond that it's probable that any advantage you get from one training organisation over another is purely due to the quality of the training and not the name.
The facts are that in the majority of cases nobody knows apart from the people actually going through the CVs. There have been a few cases where particular airlines have specified that they prefer if all your training is done at the same place, but beyond that it's probable that any advantage you get from one training organisation over another is purely due to the quality of the training and not the name.
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Doing your training at some unheard of school, at the back-end of nowhere, will not look so good. The reason being airlines that take ab-initio pilots on know what 'product' they receive, post training, from the more established FTOs. Should you decide to go modular, limit the number of FTOs for flying phases to 2. That way, continuity of training can be established. And if you think airlines don't have the time to phone up FTOs to ask how previous students performed....think again.
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No, it doesn't matter. There are people however who will let you believe that it does. Most of these either work for an fto or just think the way they trained is the best because it got them through.
It all depends what kind of job your looking for. If you want to work for a small air taxi company based at a particular airfield then they may prefer people that trained at a local school. If you are looking at someone like ryanair then as long as you are willing to pay for the TR they don't care. How many people spent a fortune going to oxford only to pay ryanair for a job at the end of it.
It all depends what kind of job your looking for. If you want to work for a small air taxi company based at a particular airfield then they may prefer people that trained at a local school. If you are looking at someone like ryanair then as long as you are willing to pay for the TR they don't care. How many people spent a fortune going to oxford only to pay ryanair for a job at the end of it.
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Sure it does.
Not direct, most airliners will not care where you conducted your training.
However, if you did it in "bad" school with "bad" instructors, you will have hard time to pass tests or sim-checks when applying for job.
And ofcourse, even those "good" schools cost a bit more, most likely you will need to do less flight hours (good instuctors --> good progression) and you will not have to redo you check-rides.
Not direct, most airliners will not care where you conducted your training.
However, if you did it in "bad" school with "bad" instructors, you will have hard time to pass tests or sim-checks when applying for job.
And ofcourse, even those "good" schools cost a bit more, most likely you will need to do less flight hours (good instuctors --> good progression) and you will not have to redo you check-rides.
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Schools prep for the rides...the license is what counts..
The school matters mostly to you...in what it costs, how long it takes, how much crap you have to go through.
Fast and cheap is my modus...but exceptions exist when you have to leave school and now your the captain, right off the bat, there's the plane, passengers waiting...and you haven't even taken it up yet...
You might have the rating, but what you did in school will either prepare you to start flying, or they just prepared you to fly with someone else and start learning.
The school matters mostly to you...in what it costs, how long it takes, how much crap you have to go through.
Fast and cheap is my modus...but exceptions exist when you have to leave school and now your the captain, right off the bat, there's the plane, passengers waiting...and you haven't even taken it up yet...
You might have the rating, but what you did in school will either prepare you to start flying, or they just prepared you to fly with someone else and start learning.
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yes it matters, coz the training you will get is very important..small schools tend to skip few important lessons to make a fast buck..where as good schools will go through every lesson. they might be a a bit costly but worth it. hope you agree with me...if you want more information on good schools mail [email protected]
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if you want to know more about good Airschools in USA,South Africa then please mail me on [email protected]
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Thankfully in the UK there are quite a few small schools who are run by instructors who don't cut corners and give a way better service than larger schools.
The majority don't care where you train, there are some that won't touch you with a barge pole from certain schools and there are others (only 1 or 2) if they were hiring they would only take from one source.
Quite alot of the time taking from 1 school is nothing to do with the quality of the output, its purely a way of cutting down the adminsrative overhead of having 1000's of CV's turn up and having to filter out all the window lickers and no hopers. Ask a school to send over twice the number that are required, that they would recommend couple of days of interviews couple of days of sim checks and thats the job done.
Folk don't have time to wade through the wannabie army's collective CV's there is littary 1000's of them. Even a small TP company with 5 aircraft gets over a hundred per month and 80% of them are exactly the same apart from a spread of hours of about 30. Another 15% are instructors with over 1000 hours and 4% are guys who have been made redundant and 1% are none JAR license holders who are living on planet zanussi
The majority don't care where you train, there are some that won't touch you with a barge pole from certain schools and there are others (only 1 or 2) if they were hiring they would only take from one source.
Quite alot of the time taking from 1 school is nothing to do with the quality of the output, its purely a way of cutting down the adminsrative overhead of having 1000's of CV's turn up and having to filter out all the window lickers and no hopers. Ask a school to send over twice the number that are required, that they would recommend couple of days of interviews couple of days of sim checks and thats the job done.
Folk don't have time to wade through the wannabie army's collective CV's there is littary 1000's of them. Even a small TP company with 5 aircraft gets over a hundred per month and 80% of them are exactly the same apart from a spread of hours of about 30. Another 15% are instructors with over 1000 hours and 4% are guys who have been made redundant and 1% are none JAR license holders who are living on planet zanussi
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So "Does what school you train with matter"? I think that's been answered. In my experience - I would say when hiring times are "good" the bigger integrated schools MAY help to smooth that process and you MAY find a [better*?] job more quickly than elsewise. When times are depressed, as they have been for close on 3 years now, then no. It makes very little difference. You won't find it easy to find employment anywhere, regardless of who you trained with.
What I did want to pick up though is the point made by prophead. Be VERY wary when choosing your training method that almos everyone in aviation is intractable when it comes to choice of training. EVERYONE defends their own choice as if it's the ONLY correct choice to make.
The point Prophead ends on ("How many OAA grads have ended up paying Ryanair anyway") is very valid...but completely neglects to consider how many people got jobs full stop in that period, by whatever method. In the last three years (I know, I am one of them) fresh grads have had virtually no choice at all. When I failed the sim check at Ryanair, their split between mod/integrated students interviewed was something like 20/80. The successful percentage [at that time - believe it's subsequently go even tighter] was something like 40%. I'm NOT having a go at Prophead, but I do think that if you read that at face value you could be badly misled. You could easily assume that those students could just have easily gone modular and got the same end result, which is NOT true. Yes, the integrated students ended up going to Ryanair, an airline famous for taking mod students, but out of every hundred interviewees, only about 4 Modular were being hired, as opposed to 32 integrated. Not great odds on either route, not great to end up spending a further £20k plus on TR, but "the only game in town" - and where "getting a job" is the name of the game, then that is not to be underestimated...
* - 'Better' is a distinctly movable feast. What for one person may be a perfect job may well be a nightmare for someone else. In this context I refer to the possibility of going direct to a legacy/charter carrier as opposed to a smaller turboprop operator. I am NOT making any assertions that that's what the majority of people want to do, or that it's the right thing to do, or that...
What I did want to pick up though is the point made by prophead. Be VERY wary when choosing your training method that almos everyone in aviation is intractable when it comes to choice of training. EVERYONE defends their own choice as if it's the ONLY correct choice to make.
The point Prophead ends on ("How many OAA grads have ended up paying Ryanair anyway") is very valid...but completely neglects to consider how many people got jobs full stop in that period, by whatever method. In the last three years (I know, I am one of them) fresh grads have had virtually no choice at all. When I failed the sim check at Ryanair, their split between mod/integrated students interviewed was something like 20/80. The successful percentage [at that time - believe it's subsequently go even tighter] was something like 40%. I'm NOT having a go at Prophead, but I do think that if you read that at face value you could be badly misled. You could easily assume that those students could just have easily gone modular and got the same end result, which is NOT true. Yes, the integrated students ended up going to Ryanair, an airline famous for taking mod students, but out of every hundred interviewees, only about 4 Modular were being hired, as opposed to 32 integrated. Not great odds on either route, not great to end up spending a further £20k plus on TR, but "the only game in town" - and where "getting a job" is the name of the game, then that is not to be underestimated...
* - 'Better' is a distinctly movable feast. What for one person may be a perfect job may well be a nightmare for someone else. In this context I refer to the possibility of going direct to a legacy/charter carrier as opposed to a smaller turboprop operator. I am NOT making any assertions that that's what the majority of people want to do, or that it's the right thing to do, or that...
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Currently the majority of large intakes of wannbies is purely a financial concern. And
Either the modular wannabie is a bit more canny with there cash or simply they just don't have access to the same sort of capital that an intergrated student does.
The flydubia current expansion could have an interesting effect because they will take on 10T TP pilots as FO's with 1000 hours on over 10t which will proberly be quite attractive to pilots in Flybe and Eastern and the like.
Either the modular wannabie is a bit more canny with there cash or simply they just don't have access to the same sort of capital that an intergrated student does.
The flydubia current expansion could have an interesting effect because they will take on 10T TP pilots as FO's with 1000 hours on over 10t which will proberly be quite attractive to pilots in Flybe and Eastern and the like.
