Clarification needed - JAR IR on FAA license

[yellowsubmarine]

Firstly I have to apologise for raising this old chestnut once again, however I am in desperate need of immediate clarification.

I am lucky enough to have a received a job offer flying an N - Reg aircraft back in Europe. So here I am in sunny Florida 2 days away from sitting my FAA CPL/ME/IR checkride, having had my JAR PPL & ME (land) verified and having been issued with an FAA temporary airmen certificate.

However, having read CFR 61.75, I have realised that I can also have my IR added onto my temporary certificate by completing the 'Instrument Foreign Pilot Knowledge Exam' (Which I have done).

So... My question is: Will I be able to do the type-rating and operate the N-Reg aircraft on solely my FAA CPL (which I should attain on Friday) and the PPL temporary airmen certificate (with the ME & IR added on)? Or will I also have to sit the FAA ME & IR checkride for them to be added onto my FAA CPL?

I hope I haven't over complicated the issue or been too long winded
Any insight is greatly appreciated.

[portsharbourflyer]

Yellow Submarine,

The foriegn pilots IR written exam only gives IR privileges for private use.

So to operate an N reg aircraft and get paid, you will need to do an actual FAA ME IR check ride.

[selfin]

Once you get your CPL - your 61.75 becomes null and void as you cannot hold 2 FAA certificates.

Note to FAA Order 8900.1, Vol. 5, Ch. 2., Sec. 14 - 5-595.D.4:

NOTE: A person who applies for a U.S. pilot certificate by accomplishing the appropriate pilot certification requirements of part 61 and holds a pilot certificate issued under § 61.75 need not surrender that § 61.75 U.S. pilot certificate. There have been isolated incidences where examiners have mistakenly required a person to surrender their § 61.75 U.S. pilot certificate when applying for the standard U.S. pilot certificate. In this instance, it is permissible for a person to hold both their § 61.75 U.S. pilot certificate and standard U.S. pilot certificate.

& 5-597.C.3:

The holder of a foreign pilot license (at least equivalent to or higher than the U.S. private pilot certification level) may hold both a § 61.75 U.S. pilot certificate and a standard U.S. pilot certificate at the same time, provided the § 61.75 U.S. pilot certificate was obtained before the pilot satisfied the part 61 pilot certification requirements.

[pdf] [FSIMS TOC]

[selfin]

SoCal,

Whatever the OP's individual circumstances are, and whether he will be benefited by holding both, is moot. In general however there are circumstances when holding both is desirable, e.g. with different class or type rating privileges, notwithstanding the fact that the 61.75 is restricted to the private level.

For anyone else considering incorporating their foreign IR privileges in a 61.75, the OP's case illustrates the benefit in sitting a full IR written test which accomplishes the same objective in addition to satisfying the requirements for a standard (not foreign-based) IR.

[yellowsubmarine]

Firstly thank you to all for the input. I recognise that my original question wasn't terrificly clear, I do now however have a touch more clarity on the issue.

Selfin: Thank you very much for those links, you've managed to provide information that even the certification guys at Oklahoma couldn't give me.

SoCal: Look carefully at the wording of the quote you have provided:

The holder of a foreign pilot license (at least equivalent to or higher than the U.S. private pilot certification level) may hold both a § 61.75 U.S. pilot certificate and a standard U.S. pilot certificate at the same time

The key is, AT LEAST EQUIVALENT TO THE U.S. PRIVATE PILOT LICENSE, not equivalent or higher than the U.S. certificate sought.

This means I may hold a full FAA CPL and IR based on my UK IR.

The whole issue has been very time consuming and the level of mis-information quite astounding, I have missed the date of my TR but it leaves me wondering how many JAA guys sit the full FAA IR based on bad advice without ever needing to?!?!

Thanks again, and if anyone wants to further stoke the fires then it would be welcome.

[selfin]

The key is, AT LEAST EQUIVALENT TO THE U.S. PRIVATE PILOT LICENSE, not equivalent or higher than the U.S. certificate sought.

This means I may hold a full FAA CPL and IR based on my UK IR.

The material above from the FAA Order says nothing of the sort. You are entitled to hold a US private pilot certificate issued on the basis of a foreign pilot licence if that licence is at or above the private level. You may simultaneously hold a US commercial pilot certificate (not foreign-based) if the commercial is obtained after you acquired the 61.75.

SoCal is perfectly correct in stating that only a US IR (not foreign-based*) may be included in a US CPC. However, you may include a US IR in a 61.75 by completing the relevant training and examination requirements. A good number of those requirements are likely to have been satisfied in the course of your training for a JAR-FCL IR. Read 61.65 in conjunction with 61.41. A US IR obtained this way can be carried over to a US CPC.

* A TCCA IR when converted in conjunction with a TCCA CPL to a US CPC/IR does not require practical testing. It involves sitting two 'conversion' written papers and completing a verification of the Canadian licence via Oklahoma (similar to the 61.75 process).