Cabair
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A close friends husband got a KLM sponsership through them and intially was chuffed to bits, but....
Its bloody hard work, You still have to put quite alot of money in yourself and they basically use you as a slave for 2-3 years. After a year and a half living in a caravan he looked knackard. But i am sure that it is all in the past now that he is doing his type rating. There is no way i would do it though, 2 months not earning a real wage, any more and i couldn't maintain my helium habit.
MJ
Its bloody hard work, You still have to put quite alot of money in yourself and they basically use you as a slave for 2-3 years. After a year and a half living in a caravan he looked knackard. But i am sure that it is all in the past now that he is doing his type rating. There is no way i would do it though, 2 months not earning a real wage, any more and i couldn't maintain my helium habit.
MJ
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I did my commercial training at Cabair, and it's first class. Everyone knows everyone, its a very friendly place, I had a superb time. The work is hard yes, but you are training for a commercial licence at the end of the day, but the instructors on the ground and in the air are first class.
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Cabair is great, very friendly, although getting a bit busy. Currently I am told there are 36 students in flight school with 8 aircraft to fly them in! One big recommendation is enquire WHO is on your course with you.
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You get what you pay for. The worse story I know is that they took all the money from one poor student and failed "their" pre CAA test flight and cancelled the contact with the student- no more instruction- very unfair...
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gimpy
As far as I am aware, Cabair does not have it's own in-house pre-CAA flight test.
I thought all flight training organisations used the 170A flight test as a pre-IR "test."
If anyone fails this test I thought they just did it again, and if any more flying is required then they would just do it.
I find it very hard to believe that any school would cancel a contract based on one flight, even an IR. Where is the commercial sense in that??
[ 16 July 2001: Message edited by: 312928 ]
As far as I am aware, Cabair does not have it's own in-house pre-CAA flight test.
I thought all flight training organisations used the 170A flight test as a pre-IR "test."
If anyone fails this test I thought they just did it again, and if any more flying is required then they would just do it.
I find it very hard to believe that any school would cancel a contract based on one flight, even an IR. Where is the commercial sense in that??
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Sorry to have to say it
'c*ck s*ck*rs.Spoke to one of the instructors whilst i wasa at the FLYER exhibition this weekend. Quite an old bloke possibly quite important in the school.
Whilst speaking to him he will look you 'up&down'. Far too much snobery.
You must have the A-levels to be sponsored whilst he simultaneously looked at the clothes i was wearing the GEL on my hair.
PPLs dont do much good if you want to be sponsored, but the other girl on the stand was completely contradicting him and telling people a PPL would be an advantage.
Whats more important? a Degree in astro Physics or good coordination and good spatial awareness?
You decide.... But i know im definitely not going there!!!!!!
'c*ck s*ck*rs.Spoke to one of the instructors whilst i wasa at the FLYER exhibition this weekend. Quite an old bloke possibly quite important in the school.
Whilst speaking to him he will look you 'up&down'. Far too much snobery.
You must have the A-levels to be sponsored whilst he simultaneously looked at the clothes i was wearing the GEL on my hair.
PPLs dont do much good if you want to be sponsored, but the other girl on the stand was completely contradicting him and telling people a PPL would be an advantage.
Whats more important? a Degree in astro Physics or good coordination and good spatial awareness?
You decide.... But i know im definitely not going there!!!!!!
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From: UK
Flying Sphincter, yes you really are one.
You really don't have a clue do you? I'm not surprised you came away from the display with that feeling.
You come across from your posts as someone who would never get a sponsorship anyways, and no it's not because you have gel in your hair.
It's as if the whole world owes you a living.
No, I'm not sponsored either.
Don't just expect everyone to give you a sponsorship just because you turn up.
As a lot of people say, people make decisions about you in the first few seconds of seeing you, and you obviously didn't make a good one.
I can tell you from first hand that Cabair are the least "snobby" of all the schools I visited, and that is quite a few.
Maybe if you actually had a look at the set-up at some of the school you might see what they are really like and not form an opinion based on 3 minutes on a Saturday afternoon in Manchester.
You really don't have a clue do you? I'm not surprised you came away from the display with that feeling.
You come across from your posts as someone who would never get a sponsorship anyways, and no it's not because you have gel in your hair.
It's as if the whole world owes you a living.
No, I'm not sponsored either.
Don't just expect everyone to give you a sponsorship just because you turn up.
As a lot of people say, people make decisions about you in the first few seconds of seeing you, and you obviously didn't make a good one.
I can tell you from first hand that Cabair are the least "snobby" of all the schools I visited, and that is quite a few.
Maybe if you actually had a look at the set-up at some of the school you might see what they are really like and not form an opinion based on 3 minutes on a Saturday afternoon in Manchester.
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Completely true. I went to Cabair becasue there is no real snobbery there, unlike another flying school whose marketing manager told me, and I quote "We do not have any competitors in this business". If you were in the position of spending £40K on someone whould you give them the opportunity if you weren't sure you like the look of them? Go to one of their free seminars, i suspect you will change your mind.
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CABAIR are fine. They have annoyed a lot of people over the years especially with their slightly mercenary charges for aptitude testing for various sponsorships...
Personally I would rank the big schools in the following order if I was spending my money:
BAE
CABAIR
SFT
OATS
That is based purely on a cost/quality assessment and REMEMBER I used to be a BAE instructor so call me as biased as great big Bias mechanism having been mis-calibrated so as to be especially biased this morning...
Personally I would go Modular and save 10 grand and then enjoy yarning on about how tough it was when you were but a Lad for then next 40 years..
WWW
Personally I would rank the big schools in the following order if I was spending my money:
BAE
CABAIR
SFT
OATS
That is based purely on a cost/quality assessment and REMEMBER I used to be a BAE instructor so call me as biased as great big Bias mechanism having been mis-calibrated so as to be especially biased this morning...
Personally I would go Modular and save 10 grand and then enjoy yarning on about how tough it was when you were but a Lad for then next 40 years..
WWW
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gimpy
I still find that very, very hard to believe.
Why would any school let a student progress that far then chop them at the last hurdle?
Surely the decision could not have been based on that one flight, unless he/she nearly crashed the a/c!
There must be some other circumstances??
I still find that very, very hard to believe.
Why would any school let a student progress that far then chop them at the last hurdle?
Surely the decision could not have been based on that one flight, unless he/she nearly crashed the a/c!
There must be some other circumstances??
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One or two people I know who have been accepted for Cabair's KLMuk scheme have been told that they cannot fly with any other organisation - even privately! That is an unreasonable restraint on the rights of an individual; if someone wishes to fly at their local flying club in their free time, what business is that of Cabair? No doubt they would wish for any 'hours building' to be conducted at their own price, but that is simply intolerable.
Why go to Jerez if you can go to Cranfield? Just look out of the window! This is supposed to be July!!
Why go to Jerez if you can go to Cranfield? Just look out of the window! This is supposed to be July!!
