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PTC statements true?

Old 11th Jan 2011, 13:20
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PTC statements true?

Hello,

I recently attended the PTC assesement and I passed with a high score. They offered me a part-sponsored distanse learning degree in BSC Airline Transport Management wich I should start after flight training. They allso offered me a place on the Integrated Pilot Programme in Florida wich will cost 85K.

When talking to them they stated that its cheaper with Integrated and that modular would cost 10K more with the only benefit of more hours. They allso stated that their degree is the same that Willie Walsh has and that a degree in aviation will benefit me when applying for Captaincy as well as to get a job within management, should I loose my medical.

So how about these statements? Are they true and should I go for it?

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Old 11th Jan 2011, 14:37
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When talking to them they stated that its cheaper with Integrated and that modular would cost 10K more with the only benefit of more hours.
That's certainly not true! Modular is nearly always cheaper than integrated.

The degree course touted by PTC is a BSc in Air Transport Operations. As this has only been available for about two years I very much doubt that Willie Walsh did it!
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 15:00
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oh my Fabbe. Still toying with such wild ideas? What happened to the fully sponsored flight training in Sweden for you? Did you not make the grade? You've posted enough 'coming to sense' posts and now this?

Now that the recession's been on for some time and bit of recruitment went on recently, they changed the rhetorics? haha.

Ireland, overspending, crazy mortgages, personal debt, govt/banks needing help, Eurozone in troubles, other countries being asked to donate. OMG. I hope the Euro doesn't crash just yet before I burn it on flying ..
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 15:27
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No, but after spending 6 hours with them I guess I fell a bit. They were proffesional pilots infront of me and you are just a name on the computer. They said you guys are talking nonsense and you say the same about them.

I guess the idea of begining flight training soon with a degree in it, sounded nice to me instead of heading off to uni for 3 years studying something I don't really want to study and spending money that I could use for training. But I guess they are just saying that to get customers?
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 16:53
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having been through the education system in ireland doing a medical degree it was free for me and everbody i know and every one in my class , and you are going to pay them for a course that is free under free education?maybe things have changed in ireland? at the moment you only pay a registration fee to attend college or uni about 2000 i think per year , and your going to pay 85000 for a modular course which could be done for half that and free education? correct me if i am wrong but maybe i should go down to ptc to have this explained to me.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 17:13
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Of course they are. Modular course 85k at PTC.In my view and I am sure I am not on my own here, you can do an awful lot better than that in terms of value for your hard earned money. Go modular by yourself and get it done for 40 to 50k. Use the other 30 to buy a nice car, buy a light aircraft for your hourbuliding, go on a very nice holiday if you must.

Think about this very carefully. Make an informed decision. A decision that is best for you not a decison that is best for the flight school.

It is the same Blue book(UK)/ Black book (Ireland) that you get at the end. But you would have spent 30k less to get it.
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 17:24
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ATPL

anyone gone through theory (ATPL) at BCFT (Bournemouth)?
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Old 11th Jan 2011, 21:54
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Seeing as the PTC seem desperately persistent that there is an imminent pilot shortage crisis, and that now is a fantastic time to start training,which is backed up by the fact that PTC are increasing their student intake, and they even felt the need to advertise on Irish T.V. to recruit pilots to solve this terrible crisis, I think you should go for it. Haven't you seen the big shiney ads in Airliner World?!?
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Old 12th Jan 2011, 05:18
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Cool

Haha yeah sure:P Head off to BA then on the 747 perhaps?
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Old 13th Jan 2011, 11:08
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They were proffesional pilots infront of me and you are just a name on the computer.
Looks can be deceiving. Be aware that at PTC none of the instructors have airline experience, they are all general aviation pilots. But the real funny thing is there are at least 3 guys walking around wearing four bars on their shoulders as if they were airline captains - who have less than 250 hours on light aircraft. One guy i believe has no IR or instructors rating, just a cpl with around 150 hours total time, yet he walks around with rank of airline captain at PTC, and i believe he's part of the recruitment team.

It's a scam, PTC are all about marketing, you did the right thing by coming to PPRuNe and asking people opinion, you cannot trust PTC, they just want your money.
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Old 13th Jan 2011, 23:11
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Well thats not true, some of those guys are ex Aer Arann
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Old 14th Jan 2011, 10:03
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McNulty,

You obviously have an axe to grind. I don't, either way, when it comes to PTC, but I do get exasperated when schools are slagged off for such innocuous reasons.

Every commercial flight school I can think of has its instructors dress in flight uniform replete with 4 bars, irrespective of what level they instruct at. And quite right too.

Yes, of course PTC is all about the money - name me a flying school that isn't. They're not operating as charities, you know.

So what if the majority of the instructors have no airline flying experience. Name me an FTO who employs only ex airline personnel and then give me a reason why it's so important that this should be the case.

I am in no way stating that PTC is the be-all-and-end-all when it comes to commercial flight training, but for pity's sake if you must slag them off, do it for reasons of poor training or over-pricing or whatever you believe they are actually guilty of and which would adversely affect a person training with them. And make sure you've got your facts right.
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Old 14th Jan 2011, 12:19
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To be honest whats the advantage of having experenced multi crew pilots teaching Single pilots ops.

But that aside PTC do appear to be a bunch of gob shites and have zero issues with telling out right lies in thier marketing, hence the reason they got found against for truthfullness by the British ASA.

As for the four bars milarky sorry thats pish There are loads of schools out there that the instructors wear just smart casual style uniform with no bars on show. The bars are to give an image to the prospective customer if the school has a good reputation and isn't struggling to get customers in they don't need to bother with all that bollocks.
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Old 14th Jan 2011, 13:02
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MJ, image is important. All of the larger commercial FTOs, and I'm talking commercial not PPL, including OAA, FTE, CTC and Cabair, understand this and insist their instructors wear uniforms, bars included.

Yes, it's all a load of pish, but from a psychological point of view it's important for passengers to see their pilots smartly turned out, and to this end I see no problem with installing that philosophy in student pilots from the very early stages of their training. And following the old adage of monkey see, monkey do, it is, in my opinion, important that instructors lead by example.
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Old 14th Jan 2011, 14:54
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Ok good example if you see the instructors in bars you know that the training given is over priced and you could get the same training for alot less somewhere else without gold bar instructors.

thats actually a very good rule of thumb for wannabies.
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Old 14th Jan 2011, 16:47
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rule of thumb..

Anyone looking at potential flightschools anywhere in the world... Heed the advice of mad jock above.

If I had that advice before training, couldv'e saved myself 7k USD+!
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Old 14th Jan 2011, 16:58
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Yep I'd subscribe to that aswell.
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Old 14th Jan 2011, 17:49
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One of the guys at the assesement had a few gold bars. He told stories about being stranded in Africa on a Jumbo and flying Minouge and Hoffman. So those were either lies or he was an ex airline/corporate. The other guy was an ex air force captain and the last had been in the police force.

The training seems fun, living in Florida on campus and all but I'm very sceptic. Is it shite?
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Old 15th Jan 2011, 11:39
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I doud't very much that there training is shite per say (the end product will be the same as any other school)

Over priced maybe I don't know what ya get for your money.

Taught by blokes wearing gold bars, yep you get that.

Get taught the same syllabus as every other CPL/IR yep you get that.

Better pilot at the end? Very much doud't it.

Instant job at the end and 3 years to command, and be earning the course fee as a salary per year. Not a hope in hell.

Kylie, Hoffman and the like once your "in" the industry its not worth mentioning. Although Meatloaf tends to get a few raised eyebrows because the man around aircraft is a bloody unlucky mence. He has managed to be on more aircraft having incidents than most pro pilots manage in thier whole careers.

And getting stranded in Africa, a bit like getting arrrested and having to pay a bribe to get on your way, all part of the job.

As I said before experenced multi crew operators with thousands of hours operating automatics add nothing to the training of single pilot ops manual IFR. One of the best IR instructors I know hasn't a single hour in a multi crewed aircraft but he has many hundreds of successful ex students out there with many thousands in airlines. The "we have airline Captains as instructors" is just marketing snobbery, like the wanky bars.
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