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FAA license doing MCC
If you obtain an FAA CPL license are you allowed to do an MCC course.?
im trying to find out as im not sure in the states they have an MCC seeing that Europe you can hold an fATPL and do your MCC but in the states there is no such thing as an fATPL you can only hold an ATPL after 1500hrs. So was wondering if someone decides to do their training in the US and obtain an FAA CPL will he/she be able to do an MCC in Europe or will the license have to be converted and then do the ATPL exams in order to do the MCC?
im trying to find out as im not sure in the states they have an MCC seeing that Europe you can hold an fATPL and do your MCC but in the states there is no such thing as an fATPL you can only hold an ATPL after 1500hrs. So was wondering if someone decides to do their training in the US and obtain an FAA CPL will he/she be able to do an MCC in Europe or will the license have to be converted and then do the ATPL exams in order to do the MCC?
According to JAR-FCL, the MCC course is intended to provide MCC training in two circumstances: either for be a graduate of an integrated ATPL course or for PPL/IR or CPL/IR holders [JAR-FCL 1.261(d)(1)] (This means a JAA PPL/IR or CPL/IR holder [JAR-FCL 1.005(a)(2)]).
Whether individual member states and training providers abide by these requirements is, of course, quite another matter.
Whether individual member states and training providers abide by these requirements is, of course, quite another matter.
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BB, you didn't read the OP properly. It's also fairly confusing.
CB
So, you talk about being fresh/low hour FAA CPL and doing European MCC? What for? To qualify for what? Without conversion?
Or you talk about real deal FAA ATPL holder and European MCC? Again, for what?
You've asked various things about initial training on PPRuNe, South Africa, etc.
AFAIK, and I'm not expert, if you have multicrew over certain weight experience on ICAO, FAA etc ATPL and you want 'JAA' papers, the experience would give you credit so that you don't have to do MCC.
I can't see they point of your query, really.
In the US, one can get FAA ATPL flying nothing but single pilot aircraft - it could also be mostly single engine. There's mainly hour, XC and night time requirements and then knowledge test and checkride/PST. Nothing to show for MCC to be waived.
Are you thinking of 'way' to avoid doing licence conversion?? Doesn't work like that for joining European airlines. Or rather, the chance to apply and be considered these days.
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So, you talk about being fresh/low hour FAA CPL and doing European MCC? What for? To qualify for what? Without conversion?
Or you talk about real deal FAA ATPL holder and European MCC? Again, for what?
You've asked various things about initial training on PPRuNe, South Africa, etc.
AFAIK, and I'm not expert, if you have multicrew over certain weight experience on ICAO, FAA etc ATPL and you want 'JAA' papers, the experience would give you credit so that you don't have to do MCC.
I can't see they point of your query, really.
In the US, one can get FAA ATPL flying nothing but single pilot aircraft - it could also be mostly single engine. There's mainly hour, XC and night time requirements and then knowledge test and checkride/PST. Nothing to show for MCC to be waived.
Are you thinking of 'way' to avoid doing licence conversion?? Doesn't work like that for joining European airlines. Or rather, the chance to apply and be considered these days.
Martin, with respect, I think it is you who has not read the OP properly. I provided an accurate and correct answer to the precise question posed. You, on the other hand, have not provided an answer at all, just a series of questions about the OP's motives.
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in the states there is no such thing as an fATPL
It might exist in some marketing department person's mind though.
Every pilot which applies to us with a fATPL gets discarded straight away - it's important you know what licence you actually hold - you hold a JAA CPL with any appropriate ratings - and your ATPL theories passed.
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BB,
OK, so he does MCC (intended as post JAA CPL/IR course) with FAA papers only. What's the point of me asking? He doesn't need it to fly with FAA papers and the airlines in Europe don't need his FAA only papers.
What'd you suggest as the better choice to newbie, (A) doing FTE integrated with all 737 series TR and Saab 2000, or (B) PTC integrated with 3 different Airbus and ATR 72 TRs?
I agree I was unaware it was technically possible (and actually done).
OK, so he does MCC (intended as post JAA CPL/IR course) with FAA papers only. What's the point of me asking? He doesn't need it to fly with FAA papers and the airlines in Europe don't need his FAA only papers.
What'd you suggest as the better choice to newbie, (A) doing FTE integrated with all 737 series TR and Saab 2000, or (B) PTC integrated with 3 different Airbus and ATR 72 TRs?
I agree I was unaware it was technically possible (and actually done).
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posted by Clintonb on 30th April 2010, first out of 23 threads he started, majority of which were initial training, USA, SA, UK/Europe related. I'd also say easily searchable. Anyway.. I was wrong in this peculiar issue and it's not my money either.
MCC and Boeing 737???? and some advice other needed pls
i got this question and then few more others if anybody knows the answer to. I'd like to work in Europe as an airline pilot but wanting to know few things. i am a european citizen just to put it out there.
i've seen a couple of schools with MCC and Boeing 737 included in the training. one or 2 schools ive also seen they include CRM
Is it worth doing it? im guessing the MCC is important to do right but doing the Boeing 737 would that be a waste of money right now?
CRM needed?
what ratings do i need? MEI,ME night rating,VFR,IFR????? again MCC, CRM and 737 rating really need it?
if you have a JAA license will you need to convert to a CAA to work in the UK.?
Any exams need to be taken if you do have to convert?
what is better modular or integrated.?
what planes should you look into training on?
will an airline look down on you if you have hrs in one airplane than another??
if you doing your ATPL will you need to do the CPL exams or is CPL and ATPL all combined in one?? equaling to 14 exams? excluding the 7 ppl exams
Does anybody know if the training in South Africa is good and what schools should i focus on??
i have been doing research on 5 schools there but want to know from anybody who has some insight to this, as im contemplating whether to do it in the US or South Africa
South Africa has the SA CAA license which is not affiliated with the UK CAA so i want to know.
If i do my Training in South Africa for a JAA license will it still be highly regarded in Europe.?
I've heard that Europe frowns upon JAA licenses obtained in south africa as the training is not high standard. is this true?
i wouldn't want to do my training and then find out later i got to go through a whole bunch more training and spend more money in order to be able to work in Europe.
i guess that is it for now. any help would be great thank you.
Have a great weekend and safe flying..
i got this question and then few more others if anybody knows the answer to. I'd like to work in Europe as an airline pilot but wanting to know few things. i am a european citizen just to put it out there.
i've seen a couple of schools with MCC and Boeing 737 included in the training. one or 2 schools ive also seen they include CRM
Is it worth doing it? im guessing the MCC is important to do right but doing the Boeing 737 would that be a waste of money right now?
CRM needed?
what ratings do i need? MEI,ME night rating,VFR,IFR????? again MCC, CRM and 737 rating really need it?
if you have a JAA license will you need to convert to a CAA to work in the UK.?
Any exams need to be taken if you do have to convert?
what is better modular or integrated.?
what planes should you look into training on?
will an airline look down on you if you have hrs in one airplane than another??
if you doing your ATPL will you need to do the CPL exams or is CPL and ATPL all combined in one?? equaling to 14 exams? excluding the 7 ppl exams
Does anybody know if the training in South Africa is good and what schools should i focus on??
i have been doing research on 5 schools there but want to know from anybody who has some insight to this, as im contemplating whether to do it in the US or South Africa
South Africa has the SA CAA license which is not affiliated with the UK CAA so i want to know.
If i do my Training in South Africa for a JAA license will it still be highly regarded in Europe.?
I've heard that Europe frowns upon JAA licenses obtained in south africa as the training is not high standard. is this true?
i wouldn't want to do my training and then find out later i got to go through a whole bunch more training and spend more money in order to be able to work in Europe.
i guess that is it for now. any help would be great thank you.
Have a great weekend and safe flying..
