Any REAL difference between ME CPL or SE CPL

[downwind24]

Hi

Im looking at starting the CPL/IR at Bonus aviation , Cranfield , within the next two months or so and wondered if there was any difference between doing a multi engine CPL or just the single engine CPL that Bonus offer as part of their package?

A friend tells me that there is no difference at all when applying to an airline it is just that i would not be able to teach ME CPL should i go on to instruct , is this the case?

Many Thanks In Advance

[kaptn]

in JAA ratings and licenses are separete. Thjis means that when you hold the SE CPL, and the ME ratings, it gives you automatically the CPL ME. This is what an Instructor told me. However, in FAA it is not the case, CPL SE and CPL ME are separate.

[philc1983]

You need a Multi Engine rating and a CPL to fly with most airlines since there are few these days that operate without 2 whirly things on their wings.

You can either do your CPL on a single then get your multi later on or do it all in one go. The choice is yours.

[downwind24]

Thanks guys , the course will be structured as single engine CPL , multi engine rating then multi engine IR . From what i understand from your posts it will be fine to do the SE CPL then multi rating then ME/IR and wont be of detriment to me applying for airline jobs?

[MagicTiger]

Most offer SE CPL and then 6.3 hours ME, so you then have a CPL + ME, which to be honest is not worth much, but much cheaper than having to do your CPL in a ME!

When you do your IR, that will be MEIR, that's what counts in larger amounts regarding getting a job afterwards.

[MIKECR]

You need to understand the difference between 'licence' and 'rating'. In JAA land, the CPL is a licence, to which ratings are attached. It makes absolutely no odds on whether you train for a CPL on either a SEP or MEP......the licence is what you will gain. At some point however, assuming you want to fly multi engine aircraft commercially, then your going to need to do the MEIR, which will also require you to do/or have already gained the MEP rating. So....you can either do the ME rating as part of the CPL.....or part of the MEIR course itself.....or you could just do it as a stand alone rating.

[MyIDisthis]

Exactly, there's no such thing as a single or multi engine CPL. In the end you will have a CPL + MEP class rating + IR/ME.

So when it comes to the CPL lessons take as many hours in a single as possible in order to save money ( unless you want to combine it with a MEP rating ). However, 5 hours has to be in a 'complex single'. If your school doesn't have a complex single engine aircraft ( retractable gear and variable pitch prop) then they will probably put you in a multi engine aircraft.

I believe that the skill test has to be in a 'complex single' as well, but someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[downwind24]

Guys , many thanks for your feedback , really appreciated

[Ultranomad]

If I am not mistaken - correct me if I'm wrong - it makes sense to start with IR and do CPL later, because this way you save 5 (?) hours of training. It's all in JAR-FCL1, please don't take my word for it and check.

[MagicTiger]

I believe it is opposite, if you already have CPL when you start your IR, you get reduced hours. Again need to be double checked, just saw price quote from Stapelford, and it is lower if you already have CPL.

[downwind24]

Guy's , IR first saves 10 hours on the CPL , but CPL first saves 5 hours on the IR. Cheaper to do the IR first but for personal reasons i want to do the CPL first.

[kaptn]

faa ir

and what will be the case if you have an FAA IR?

[MagicTiger]

downwind24 - Not really cheaper to do IR first.

IR is normally done in ME, SE IR is not very usefull. So you save 5 hours, while CPL is normally in SE, saving 10 hours on the CPL in SE, will make it more or less the same, marginal saving doing the CPL first.

I think doing the CPL first is probably the better option, a more natural study progress.

[downwind24]

Hi MT , the school price is £1000 cheaper to do the IR first due to the 5 hour saving overall. As i say i need to do the CPL first but mostly as im full time to complete this year before the weather 'craps out' on me . IR is indeed ME

[HomerJay]

I have a MEIR and did my CPL skills test recently in a single engine. I passed but the examiner told me during the day I would have to do the CPL test again in a multi engine. I nearly bloody died. Myself/the school and people in here seem to believe he is incorrect and the MEIR can be transferred over onto the CPL license regardless of it being a SE CPL. Can anyone find anything in Jar Ops? I'm looking.

Ive had the license issued and they havent put the ratings on it. Need to ring in the morning

[olicana]

Hot off the press today. My flight school told me as i already have a cpl + multi then I reduce my ir by 10 hours and not 5. Result!

[downwind24]

HomerJay - Cant see that as majority of schools do the ME/IR first then SE/CPL so i would ring Gatwick (they will probably tell you to check Lasors!)

Olicana - Hmmmm this must be new as all the feedback i received said that it was a 5 hour reduction not 10/ I hope your right though as iv just started the ME/IR !!

[rmcb]

Credits from IR(A) Training

Olicana - I believe that CPL gives you a reduction of 5 hours on your IR. I could be wrong, but a quick 'as I understand it' email to the aquarium should cover you for later. Let the CAA make accountable errors - all you will get from the FTO is a moronic grin and the 'you should have checked for yourself' homily.

LASORS 2008, LAS E1.2, page 3 states:

Credits from IR(A) Training

Holders of a CPL(A) or ATPL(A) issued in
accordance with ICAO are eligible for a 5 hour
reduction in training in accordance with Appendix 1
to JAR-FCL 1.205. The same credit can be applied
to applicants who have completed a JAR CPL(A)
modular course of training and passed the CPL(A)
skill test (and have met all requirements for CPL(A)
licence issue prior to commencement of the IR(A)
modular course), ...

[rmcb]

SEIR

downwind24 - I would urge you to consider the SEIR - just getting this eases the post ATPL theory exam. time constraint and is cheaper to maintain.

Unless you have a guaranteed job in the marketplace I would spend that saved by taking the SEIR route in maintaining your IR. Cross the MEIR hurdle as and when. I would venture not less than two years away for low hour CPL IR holders.

Good luck - Bonus are a good crowd.

[Genghis the Engineer]

I did my CPL with bonus, and broadly have been pretty impressed.

They, and several others, cautioned me that it's probably cheaper and certainly easier to do the CPL/SE then to add an MEP later if/when you need it. I took this advice, did the first, then realised that for what I want to do, I'll almost certainly never need an MEP, so for the time being, have ignored that particular option.

G