Is it still worth it?
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fly antonov
You've made you decision now off you go, and live with it........
Let others make their own decisions......and if they choose to seek out those who have experience in aviation to help make their decisions. Then there are plenty of people on this site who can provide advice from their own first hand experience.
Which brings us nicely back to you. You have nothing to offer, so why do you spend so much time putting forward that you do?
Added later...
So there are are plenty of people such as WWW et al who can offer advice, palatable or not to aspiring pilots. However, if prospective pilots come here and have to wade through countless didactic diatribes from people with little knowledge or experience, acting some may say to help validate their own decisions. Then it becomes more difficult for the opinion of those who can speak with experience to get through.
You've made you decision now off you go, and live with it........
Let others make their own decisions......and if they choose to seek out those who have experience in aviation to help make their decisions. Then there are plenty of people on this site who can provide advice from their own first hand experience.
Which brings us nicely back to you. You have nothing to offer, so why do you spend so much time putting forward that you do?
Added later...
So there are are plenty of people such as WWW et al who can offer advice, palatable or not to aspiring pilots. However, if prospective pilots come here and have to wade through countless didactic diatribes from people with little knowledge or experience, acting some may say to help validate their own decisions. Then it becomes more difficult for the opinion of those who can speak with experience to get through.
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so is it?
Realities? and can you tell us where from you have these realities?
Maybe I should mention that I (and so does my wife) work in aviation industry most of our life and I think I have fairly good insight and understanding of this beast...
with no disrespect - but what experience in the field you have to allow you to give even small piece of advice?
-are you retired pilot? you talking about retirement
-do you work as a pilot that you know about T&C getting always south?
-are you wannabe who spent all his money and did not get job
...your profile doesn't show much hence the question...
btw: you are asking for PPRUNE user to be more mature and in first line of your post you call me embarrassing and silly figure - do you think it
is mature???
Maybe I should mention that I (and so does my wife) work in aviation industry most of our life and I think I have fairly good insight and understanding of this beast...
with no disrespect - but what experience in the field you have to allow you to give even small piece of advice?
-are you retired pilot? you talking about retirement
-do you work as a pilot that you know about T&C getting always south?
-are you wannabe who spent all his money and did not get job
...your profile doesn't show much hence the question...
btw: you are asking for PPRUNE user to be more mature and in first line of your post you call me embarrassing and silly figure - do you think it
is mature???
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See how mature this site is 
A 32 year old and 34 year old chasing their dreams with eyes closed and who come here to argue about someone else' s decision when they have thrown alot of cash and haven' t even landed a job yet.
I don' t find it necessary to put down my background or experience, especially to challenged people like these ones who like to live in the dark cave. I have been there and unlike the above kids I have been able to resist the temptation though I was alot more motivated than they were, because no matter how hard it was I confronted myself with today' s realities.
Today, I am very happy I did all that.
My alternative plan has worked out to become my main plan and I am now surprised at how easy it was for me to walk away from piloting. My new aviation career is bringing me alot more than I would have achieved as a pilot. Today I can focus on saving money, maybe get up a small aviation business on the side with some friends in 10 years or so, build a home and a family.
This all to say that it is possible to walk away without regrets, by exploring other paths in aviation that one underestimates as a pilot trainee.
Management at airlines and airports is full of people who have once dreamed of becoming pilots.
A 32 year old and 34 year old chasing their dreams with eyes closed and who come here to argue about someone else' s decision when they have thrown alot of cash and haven' t even landed a job yet.
- If you are already training and you are very comfortable with your decision, you would not mind reading what is written here.
- If you are already training and you are not comfortable, then you better move on, keep your head in the sand, before it affects your motivation to finish your course.
- If you are not training yet and you are really motivated to make it your llifelong career, not your short-lasted wet dream, then you need to consider all this.
I don' t find it necessary to put down my background or experience, especially to challenged people like these ones who like to live in the dark cave. I have been there and unlike the above kids I have been able to resist the temptation though I was alot more motivated than they were, because no matter how hard it was I confronted myself with today' s realities.
Today, I am very happy I did all that.
My alternative plan has worked out to become my main plan and I am now surprised at how easy it was for me to walk away from piloting. My new aviation career is bringing me alot more than I would have achieved as a pilot. Today I can focus on saving money, maybe get up a small aviation business on the side with some friends in 10 years or so, build a home and a family.
This all to say that it is possible to walk away without regrets, by exploring other paths in aviation that one underestimates as a pilot trainee.
Management at airlines and airports is full of people who have once dreamed of becoming pilots.
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Fanda
Read his previous posts (click on his name and use the find other post function!) and you will see what a sciolist our friend fly_antonov is!
You will see that he is 22 and has a PPL!
I leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions!
Anne
Read his previous posts (click on his name and use the find other post function!) and you will see what a sciolist our friend fly_antonov is!
You will see that he is 22 and has a PPL!
I leave it up to you to draw your own conclusions!
Anne
is it?
well he sums it up - he walked away from pushing for his dream...Joined: Jul 2007
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I find this thread sad - there are egos in the aviation industry that would teach Mussolini a thing or two.
Regardless of fly_antonov's position on the greasy pole, I suggest that the bile and invective should be directed at the FTOs and individual charlatans who, while technically being correct err on the amoral side of business practice.
fly_antonov - if you are indeed the puppy that Anne.Nonymous suggests, read the last two lines of W.B. Yeats' 'He wishes for the cloths of heaven'
...I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Although out of his context, they are appropriate for thoughts here. I, for one, would appreciate some compassion for people trying to get useful, thoughtful information from useful, thinking people.
Regardless of fly_antonov's position on the greasy pole, I suggest that the bile and invective should be directed at the FTOs and individual charlatans who, while technically being correct err on the amoral side of business practice.
fly_antonov - if you are indeed the puppy that Anne.Nonymous suggests, read the last two lines of W.B. Yeats' 'He wishes for the cloths of heaven'
...I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Although out of his context, they are appropriate for thoughts here. I, for one, would appreciate some compassion for people trying to get useful, thoughtful information from useful, thinking people.
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From: Moon
Becoming a pilot is such a short-sighted dream, can you fella' s really imagine doing this for over 30 years and nothing else of your lives?
Fly antonov
You should take them bloody blinkers off, you talk a load of b%^$ks, why dont you try doing a manual labouring job, then tell me what you would rather be doing, sitting in a flight deck or running up and down scaffolds for the rest of your life for £120 a day,
Every post of yours is moan moan moan, I dont know what you situation is, and to be honest I dont really care,
Why dont you take your negativity else where, while your at it "grow up,get some life experience" and lose that chip on your shoulder
Fly antonov
You should take them bloody blinkers off, you talk a load of b%^$ks, why dont you try doing a manual labouring job, then tell me what you would rather be doing, sitting in a flight deck or running up and down scaffolds for the rest of your life for £120 a day,
Every post of yours is moan moan moan, I dont know what you situation is, and to be honest I dont really care,
Why dont you take your negativity else where, while your at it "grow up,get some life experience" and lose that chip on your shoulder
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Annenonymous, what is your qualification, what is your opinion about the OP' s question and what arguments do you offer?
Annenonymous works as a pilot for BMI since 14 years.
If there is any truth to that, what do you know about becoming a pilot in today' s world? 14 years ago you had free or cheap flight training, free type-rating, free line training, airlines were hiring and you were offered a career.
Today you are a bus driver for a regional airline on its way down, who has no idea what it means to pay over 50K for training, 30K for type-rating, 20K for line training and still not being able to find a job, let alone a job that pays the bills and the mortgage with a minimum of job security.
I am a person who has been confronted with the decision of pursuing or not in today' s realities for aspiring pilots.
Annenonymous seems to be very happy with his own career and criticises colleagues who are complaining about T&C' s. That in itself is either exceptional or stupid.
Annenonymous likes to point people to former posts as can be seen from his own history.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post1483768
Strangely enough he likes to comment on people who are taking a hard stand against P2F. Wait a second, you actually defend people who pay for their line training at BD and you defended the program?
Not good, really not good.
You must be drewling for that management position or maybe you are management sucking in young people' s money. That also explains your exceptional behavior above.
He does not bring any value to any discussion as can be seen from his post history. None of his writings contains any arguments, only useless comments on other posters on useless matters like "closed cockpit door policy".
http://www.pprune.org/search.php?searchid=6535433
You hide behind a female alias, to avoid being attacked. You clearly do not want your identity to be compromised.
So you are either lying or you don' t want people attacking you on the internet. What a small heart you have.
Is this the guy we want to sit next to in a cockpit? A guy who knows he is right and everybody else is wrong but is afraid of mentioning who he is? A guy who says "he is only aged XX and only has a PPL and is therefore not entitled to express his opinion"?
Here I did exactly what you did and it is so childish that I would be ashamed to call myself a pilot, let alone a captain at BD with 14 years of experience.
Shame be on you.
Yes I woke up and found an equally challenging, more rewarding career path. That was my choice, I don' t have a pinch of regret and I love it. This all to show that all the "fear of regreting" is a mountain of **** when you face the real issues.
There are alot of people around me whom I had given advice to. Today, all but the people high on ego tell me that I was right and that they better had waited. I have seen one crying because he bought a type-rating against my advice. Out of pity, I always offer to pay the drinks.
Annenonymous works as a pilot for BMI since 14 years.
If there is any truth to that, what do you know about becoming a pilot in today' s world? 14 years ago you had free or cheap flight training, free type-rating, free line training, airlines were hiring and you were offered a career.
I have been fortunate not to have to pay for any of my type ratings
I am a person who has been confronted with the decision of pursuing or not in today' s realities for aspiring pilots.
Annenonymous seems to be very happy with his own career and criticises colleagues who are complaining about T&C' s. That in itself is either exceptional or stupid.
Annenonymous likes to point people to former posts as can be seen from his own history.
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post1483768
Strangely enough he likes to comment on people who are taking a hard stand against P2F. Wait a second, you actually defend people who pay for their line training at BD and you defended the program?
Not good, really not good.
You must be drewling for that management position or maybe you are management sucking in young people' s money. That also explains your exceptional behavior above.
He does not bring any value to any discussion as can be seen from his post history. None of his writings contains any arguments, only useless comments on other posters on useless matters like "closed cockpit door policy".
http://www.pprune.org/search.php?searchid=6535433
You hide behind a female alias, to avoid being attacked. You clearly do not want your identity to be compromised.
So you are either lying or you don' t want people attacking you on the internet. What a small heart you have.
Is this the guy we want to sit next to in a cockpit? A guy who knows he is right and everybody else is wrong but is afraid of mentioning who he is? A guy who says "he is only aged XX and only has a PPL and is therefore not entitled to express his opinion"?
Here I did exactly what you did and it is so childish that I would be ashamed to call myself a pilot, let alone a captain at BD with 14 years of experience.
Shame be on you.
well he sums it up - he walked away from pushing for his dream...
There are alot of people around me whom I had given advice to. Today, all but the people high on ego tell me that I was right and that they better had waited. I have seen one crying because he bought a type-rating against my advice. Out of pity, I always offer to pay the drinks.
Last edited by fly_antonov; 21st May 2010 at 11:50.
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Annenonymous works as a pilot for BMI since 14 years
Annenonymous likes to point people to former posts as can be seen from his own history.
If you don't like what you have written being quoted - don't write it!
You clearly do not want your identity to be compromised.
he is only aged XX and only has a PPL and is therefore not entitled to express his opinion"?
As to being female - no problem. We even have numerous female pilots - and even a TRI - in BD! We have flown an all female crew (including CC) on several occasions.
Enough - I have fed the troll too much!
Anne
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From: The No Transgression Zone
you should fly for flying sake, similar to ars gratia artis those who look too hard at a shiny jet never get there...you fly because you love flying and would gladly... instruct..fly the KingAir,...banner tow...teach aerobatics...do airshows...for that much money you could have been an unlimited aerobatic champion by now...with sponsorship; I guess Bendix is not good enough for anyone
...have another job,... be a surgeon ...but if you want to fly professionally there's many avenues...
[what's he on about]
I feel bad that everyone thinks the airlines or corporate is the end...it maybe the beginning...sheesh that tuition could have gone toward TP school....yet I don't feel sorry for them
...have another job,... be a surgeon ...but if you want to fly professionally there's many avenues... [what's he on about]I feel bad that everyone thinks the airlines or corporate is the end...it maybe the beginning...sheesh that tuition could have gone toward TP school....yet I don't feel sorry for them
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Is it worth it?
To Antonov:
Hi, I have had a similar experience to yours. As a 17 year old the only thing i had in my mind was flying. Somebody then told me to expand my horizons a little; go travel, work, study and then when you've tried out a few things and gained some life experience decide what you want to do. Today I am pursuing something unrelated to aviation.
With that said, I think it is important to respect other people's decisions in life whatever they may be. You have had your experiences which have lead you one way, others have had theirs. There is no right or wrong.
I wish everyone good luck in whatever they decide to pursue in life. As long as it means something to you, i think it's right. Also remember if it doesn't work out there are plenty of other things that will excite you, i'm sure.
Hi, I have had a similar experience to yours. As a 17 year old the only thing i had in my mind was flying. Somebody then told me to expand my horizons a little; go travel, work, study and then when you've tried out a few things and gained some life experience decide what you want to do. Today I am pursuing something unrelated to aviation.
With that said, I think it is important to respect other people's decisions in life whatever they may be. You have had your experiences which have lead you one way, others have had theirs. There is no right or wrong.
I wish everyone good luck in whatever they decide to pursue in life. As long as it means something to you, i think it's right. Also remember if it doesn't work out there are plenty of other things that will excite you, i'm sure.
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From: >>>My profile has been hacked by a stupid 20 yo moderator<<<...somewhere where people don't speak english! don't point at my mistakes unless you are at ICAO level 7.
flyantonov is right...
several of my friends fly big planes and are just bored.
one told me each time he stay in the cockpit for 10-15 hours (B777), he asks himself:" what I am doing here? will I do this the rest of my life??"
he sticks with his company for the money.Once he enter in the cockpit, he knows he won't get out for 15 hours!!! he is tired, can not sleep well...
another one I know, on B747, is sick of jetlag, hotels...why he stay? for the money! tired too....
learning to fly is interesting, but doing the same procedure everyday , is very boring. Everyday the same procedures, same callouts...4-6 times a day!!!
I think this job is pretty much limited...no much to learn. Once you got your ATP, you will understand what I mean.it's not like flying a plane on Simulator X or FS 2004.
don't focus on airline jobs only! anyway there is no job for a 200 pilot...so keep dreaming...no one will give you a job!
several of my friends fly big planes and are just bored.
one told me each time he stay in the cockpit for 10-15 hours (B777), he asks himself:" what I am doing here? will I do this the rest of my life??"
he sticks with his company for the money.Once he enter in the cockpit, he knows he won't get out for 15 hours!!! he is tired, can not sleep well...
another one I know, on B747, is sick of jetlag, hotels...why he stay? for the money! tired too....
learning to fly is interesting, but doing the same procedure everyday , is very boring. Everyday the same procedures, same callouts...4-6 times a day!!!
I think this job is pretty much limited...no much to learn. Once you got your ATP, you will understand what I mean.it's not like flying a plane on Simulator X or FS 2004.
don't focus on airline jobs only! anyway there is no job for a 200 pilot...so keep dreaming...no one will give you a job!
