Thinking of training in Florida?
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Had a bad experience in NAC along with other many students at the same time. It looks like they only look after the money and not after your formation as a pilot. Its my most sincere advice. Good luck in training.
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Hey guys, i'm new here. I was just wondering if i could get any help....i live in malta (in the mediterranean) and already have a JAA PPL and will be doing my JAA ATPL CPL ME from next march at EFT in Florida. I was just wondering (actually worrying) if there would be pilot jobs for inexperienced pilots just like me. Would working as an FI help? Thanks
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Sorry Spicejetter....
...after many years of warnings and dire stories/experiences in Pprune... you head for Florida and shovel out thousands of $$$$$ upfront! Sorry ol' buddy, no sympathy here! 
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Just stop being gullible, ignorant cheapskates and get you basic training done at a quality school where you also do your proper JAA CPL/IR.
Muppets.
If its cheap its ****. Something you can apply to nearly everything in life including flying training.
WWW
Muppets.
If its cheap its ****. Something you can apply to nearly everything in life including flying training.
WWW
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Has WWW finally cracked?
Has the bulkhead blown, finally?
I am somewhat alarmed - the usually succint and diplomatic tone is lost and I get the feeling that a combination of saturday night, empty wine bottle and full whine bag has gotten to our economist.
That said, accurate as ever! Adam Smith would be proud.
I am somewhat alarmed - the usually succint and diplomatic tone is lost and I get the feeling that a combination of saturday night, empty wine bottle and full whine bag has gotten to our economist.
That said, accurate as ever! Adam Smith would be proud.
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I am right though.
The PPL forms the foundation of your flying skill. Just as with a house, cheap foundations are never ever a good thing.
The heartache expressed here over years of cheap Florida training would be enough to propel a decades worth of female-singer-songwriters to the moon and back. Thus my advice to stay the F away. Regardless of the school, airport, state, location, history, fleet, approval or quality of advertising.
There's more likely a brilliant school within 60 minutes of where you live in the UK/EU.
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The PPL forms the foundation of your flying skill. Just as with a house, cheap foundations are never ever a good thing.
The heartache expressed here over years of cheap Florida training would be enough to propel a decades worth of female-singer-songwriters to the moon and back. Thus my advice to stay the F away. Regardless of the school, airport, state, location, history, fleet, approval or quality of advertising.
There's more likely a brilliant school within 60 minutes of where you live in the UK/EU.
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and just because you are a moderator WWW you get to make your opinion a 'sticky'. Pretty pathetic. I see pprune are still very happy to accept money from the Florida FTO's to advertise despite YOUR opinion which you get to force feed the forum just because of your moderator status.
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If I wished to crush dissent and engage in propoganda I'd have deleted your comment and taken a far harsher line than I have. So get over yourself.
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'and just because you are a moderator WWW you get to make your opinion a 'sticky'. Pretty pathetic. I see PPRuNe are still very happy to accept money from the Florida FTO's to advertise despite YOUR opinion which you get to force feed the forum just because of your moderator status.'This is rich; as I recall a thread was deleted in July 2007 at the behest of EFT, regarding the quality of RT examinations at their location. By a local examiner. Who had nothing to do with the school. Despite being listed as one of the owners. Oh, and regularly examining CPL skills tests.
It would seem that this is a dubious privilege extended to sponsors.
Are you seriously suggesting that moderators moderate their opinion on the sponsors' say as well? I am sure that you would agree, Mordacai, that business is one thing, freedom of speech another? Are you not taking the sponsors' privilege a little far?
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No, don't delete any posts at my behest. I am speaking for myself, not for, or on behalf of EFT. I am an instructor at EFT.
My opinion is simply that I feel that WWW is abusing his position as a moderator by making this a sticky. He is entitled to his opinion, but let the thread live or die. I am entitled to my opinion but I don't get to make it a sticky. He is allowed to vent his vitriol, but I am told to get over myself?
Has WWW even visited the Florida flight schools?
Remember this is coming from the moderator who suggested that all wannabees should declare bankruptcy upon completion of training.
My opinion is simply that I feel that WWW is abusing his position as a moderator by making this a sticky. He is entitled to his opinion, but let the thread live or die. I am entitled to my opinion but I don't get to make it a sticky. He is allowed to vent his vitriol, but I am told to get over myself?
Has WWW even visited the Florida flight schools?
Remember this is coming from the moderator who suggested that all wannabees should declare bankruptcy upon completion of training.
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I'm the one who tours the flight schools Mordachai.
As Trevor can confirm going right back to when he trained my wife for a PPL in the Brooksville days.
I was able do a lot of mystery shopping visiting Florida up to 10 times a year and even included the skydiving and gliding joints. And now, as I approach my dotage, I find my kids fit the desired profile so nicely the process continues very effectively.
I don't have to add any more though as potential students can scan posts regarding your own school, the problems you've had in the past and your fulsome posts promising to make things right.
Everything spicejetter said about recovering from a bad training experience is absolutely true:
Stranger in town. Well, in the country actually.
FTO holds all the cards with the visa and money up front.
There's a long history of folks being asked to pay offshore to create further problems.
Student on a fixed timescale, a barely sufficient budget and, due to age and life experience, seeing instructors/owners as far higher up the aviation pecking order than reality warrants.
Every penny they have or can raise committed - nothing for a lawyer.
But most importantly of all Mord. Spend more than half an hour with FTO people in Florida and the conversation turns to the internal anger, aggression and strife between the Floridian schools. Such and such owns the school - how can he be the examiner. Non stop, never ending backbiting and slagging that makes PPRuNe look like a kindergarten.
Now contrast that to a student in the UK.
Found yourself in a crap school, one that doesn't deliver the goods?
They can't keep your training records.
They can't wave your visa over your head.
Holding your money? Just go online - fill in your claim - pay 10 quid and the court system is triggered.
Err, that's it. The legal system gets going for a tenner.
I look forward to the rebuttals from you, Socal and any other expat instructors.
Rob
As Trevor can confirm going right back to when he trained my wife for a PPL in the Brooksville days.
I was able do a lot of mystery shopping visiting Florida up to 10 times a year and even included the skydiving and gliding joints. And now, as I approach my dotage, I find my kids fit the desired profile so nicely the process continues very effectively.
I don't have to add any more though as potential students can scan posts regarding your own school, the problems you've had in the past and your fulsome posts promising to make things right.
Everything spicejetter said about recovering from a bad training experience is absolutely true:
Stranger in town. Well, in the country actually.
FTO holds all the cards with the visa and money up front.
There's a long history of folks being asked to pay offshore to create further problems.
Student on a fixed timescale, a barely sufficient budget and, due to age and life experience, seeing instructors/owners as far higher up the aviation pecking order than reality warrants.
Every penny they have or can raise committed - nothing for a lawyer.
But most importantly of all Mord. Spend more than half an hour with FTO people in Florida and the conversation turns to the internal anger, aggression and strife between the Floridian schools. Such and such owns the school - how can he be the examiner. Non stop, never ending backbiting and slagging that makes PPRuNe look like a kindergarten.
Now contrast that to a student in the UK.
Found yourself in a crap school, one that doesn't deliver the goods?
They can't keep your training records.
They can't wave your visa over your head.
Holding your money? Just go online - fill in your claim - pay 10 quid and the court system is triggered.
Err, that's it. The legal system gets going for a tenner.
I look forward to the rebuttals from you, Socal and any other expat instructors.
Rob
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USA and UK same language different culture...
the title says it all.........
When ya get a minute look at a map of the world..when ya realise (realize) that England is about the same size as upstate New York it should.. well kinda.. get ya thinkin'. Or maybe not?
Why do ya think they banned the BBC programme "Top Gear" from the USA?
When ya get a minute look at a map of the world..when ya realise (realize) that England is about the same size as upstate New York it should.. well kinda.. get ya thinkin'. Or maybe not?
Why do ya think they banned the BBC programme "Top Gear" from the USA?
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Sticky threads are for spiders.
The thread's stickiness is, for the most part, irrelevant; that written is now in the public domain.
WWW has obviously hit upon a nerve that has caused Mordacai to react, as history shows, in character, but is probably the reaction of most operatives at Floridian FTOs.
Mordacai - you protest too much regarding your interests, in my opinion. You state regularly that you are not the voicepiece for EFT and are working alone on various points raised on fora. Yet, when EFT's administrator fails to account for account black holes, you raise a defence on behalf of the company with nary a word from official management - the silence of its absence quite deafening on the website.
This shouldn't be misconstrued as a personal attack on Mordacai or any other individual engaged in training in Florida - I believe it is a problem with JAR (as was) FTOs in Florida writ large. For reasons that PPRuNe Towers put so eloquently. They are all within the conceptual reach of the law but without the financial reach of most individuals. It would seem that the ultimate sanction to these operators is a risible artifice which can be hidden behind cravenly. Do right because it is right, not because it is the law.
Maybe it is time to regulate these places properly; CAA representatives performing spot checks, secret shopper surveys? That would cost money... it would put up the price of training, but expensive dreams should only be enlivened if you can afford to lose the stake.
If you subscribe to the notion that the CAA is only there to make life that bit more unbearable, then you should appreciate maybe their backing the 'approvals' list for foreign FTOs with legal aid to subscribers. Should a regulator merely uphold regulations or should they be helpful as well? Just a thought - possibly a new thread?
WWW has obviously hit upon a nerve that has caused Mordacai to react, as history shows, in character, but is probably the reaction of most operatives at Floridian FTOs.
Mordacai - you protest too much regarding your interests, in my opinion. You state regularly that you are not the voicepiece for EFT and are working alone on various points raised on fora. Yet, when EFT's administrator fails to account for account black holes, you raise a defence on behalf of the company with nary a word from official management - the silence of its absence quite deafening on the website.
This shouldn't be misconstrued as a personal attack on Mordacai or any other individual engaged in training in Florida - I believe it is a problem with JAR (as was) FTOs in Florida writ large. For reasons that PPRuNe Towers put so eloquently. They are all within the conceptual reach of the law but without the financial reach of most individuals. It would seem that the ultimate sanction to these operators is a risible artifice which can be hidden behind cravenly. Do right because it is right, not because it is the law.
Maybe it is time to regulate these places properly; CAA representatives performing spot checks, secret shopper surveys? That would cost money... it would put up the price of training, but expensive dreams should only be enlivened if you can afford to lose the stake.
If you subscribe to the notion that the CAA is only there to make life that bit more unbearable, then you should appreciate maybe their backing the 'approvals' list for foreign FTOs with legal aid to subscribers. Should a regulator merely uphold regulations or should they be helpful as well? Just a thought - possibly a new thread?
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I know it is a long time ago but just ask yourself why did the RAF choose Canada and South Africa to train some of their pilots in WW2? The USA shares a border with Canada. Makes me think "why?"
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More likely because they were in the Commonwealth I'd have thought.
Canada and South Africa declared war at pretty much the same time as did the United Kingdom.
USA didn't enter until a few years later. Therefore there may have been a legal issue about training people for war in an "independent" state. (Maybe)
Canada and South Africa declared war at pretty much the same time as did the United Kingdom.
USA didn't enter until a few years later. Therefore there may have been a legal issue about training people for war in an "independent" state. (Maybe)
