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yeah a big part was that Oxford were doing....and might still be doing the MCC/JOC for 3K. Now my advice to you would be do an MCC as cheaply as possible as it is a hoop which you have to jump through. It doesn't matter if it is done on a 737, airbus or fixed box FNPTII, as long as you get the certificate.
However I cant speak about Skybus as I never trained there, but Have herd nothing but positive things about them, however the JOC at Oxford on the motion 737 was not only good, but my instructor was highly experienced and cared about improving you and teaching you to help you in that all important sim ride.......If we ever get that far.
So my advice for you is choose which ever one is more beneficial to you, ie. closer to home or cheaper. If you have a massive budget and dont mind spending the money go to Jetlinx....Full motion 320 and 757 sims. However you would just be wasting money as you have to remember these are not type ratings, and you only scratch the surface of the technical side of the sim.
Well hope this helps and if you need any other info about Oxford just PM me.
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However I cant speak about Skybus as I never trained there, but Have herd nothing but positive things about them, however the JOC at Oxford on the motion 737 was not only good, but my instructor was highly experienced and cared about improving you and teaching you to help you in that all important sim ride.......If we ever get that far.
So my advice for you is choose which ever one is more beneficial to you, ie. closer to home or cheaper. If you have a massive budget and dont mind spending the money go to Jetlinx....Full motion 320 and 757 sims. However you would just be wasting money as you have to remember these are not type ratings, and you only scratch the surface of the technical side of the sim.
Well hope this helps and if you need any other info about Oxford just PM me.
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european are spot on , funnily enough their instructors are also highly experienced and give a rats whats going on, it is also done on full motion sim . I do believe it is also one of the cheapest full motion jobbies around . It may just be a certificate you need but if you are gonna do it do it in a full motion rather than a fnpt11 with a swtiched throttle quadrant its a lot more fun .
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Again I was not saying that the instructors at European were any less qualified,I was merely stating the instructor I had at Oxford was good. In fact I said I had herd nothing but positive things about European. Was asked my opinion and only commented on my experience
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yeah a big part was that Oxford were doing....and might still be doing the MCC/JOC for 3K. Now my advice to you would be do an MCC as cheaply as possible as it is a hoop which you have to jump through. It doesn't matter if it is done on a 737, airbus or fixed box FNPTII, as long as you get the certificate.
MCC is not a type rating, nor is it about having a go on the fanciest sim in the world - it is about getting decent training in non-technical skills (human factors, CRM, SOP use, monitoring, supervision, support, challenging and assertiveness etc).
Our sim is fixed base yet is an excellent training tool - advanced enough to stretch you a bit but no so complex that you spend the whole course fiddling with an FMS when you should be concentrating on what the crew and aeroplane are doing. In the past I have conducted MCC courses on more sophisticated devices but have come to the conclusion that with sims for MCC it really is a case of "less is more".
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I did mine at CRM Aviation at Cranfield.
Sim was great and so were the instructors I had. Didnt encounter any problems and learnt a lot! So much attention was spent on the MCC side of the training, it was very idfferent to the Single Pilot stuff you do for your IR and I felt like to really had got to grips with working as a team in a faster aicraft and managing the whole process well.
I got mine with them for £1499, and I think it still is that price. I've also just used my 2 hours free sim time with them that you get after the course - as I have a kinda 'assesment' comming up after Christmas. This was really helpful! They have also told me that from the new year they will also have FNPT II approval for a brand new complex twin simulator and im 'gunna' get a 10% discount on the renewal training and renwal if i choose to do it with them. Bargain!
The only problem I had when i was there was a fault ADF unit, but as the course was mostly about the MCC side of things it really didnt matter too much.
I have also heard good things about OAA at Oxford, but i cant give any info on that. I do know someone who can though if you want to PM me. Think its a little more pricy.
best of luck with the course! Its about getting the most out of it and learning to work in a modern cockpit as a team! Not about fancy moving simulators! Enjoy!
Sim was great and so were the instructors I had. Didnt encounter any problems and learnt a lot! So much attention was spent on the MCC side of the training, it was very idfferent to the Single Pilot stuff you do for your IR and I felt like to really had got to grips with working as a team in a faster aicraft and managing the whole process well.
I got mine with them for £1499, and I think it still is that price. I've also just used my 2 hours free sim time with them that you get after the course - as I have a kinda 'assesment' comming up after Christmas. This was really helpful! They have also told me that from the new year they will also have FNPT II approval for a brand new complex twin simulator and im 'gunna' get a 10% discount on the renewal training and renwal if i choose to do it with them. Bargain!
The only problem I had when i was there was a fault ADF unit, but as the course was mostly about the MCC side of things it really didnt matter too much.
I have also heard good things about OAA at Oxford, but i cant give any info on that. I do know someone who can though if you want to PM me. Think its a little more pricy.
best of luck with the course! Its about getting the most out of it and learning to work in a modern cockpit as a team! Not about fancy moving simulators! Enjoy!
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MCC at European Skybus is really good.
3 words, Efficient, Fun and Interesting. No bull**** with them as they are a small operator with a limited amount of students per course unlike other big market training providers.
Your seen as a student not as a walking big cheque The instructors make it fun because thats what it is supposed to be about. Its not a type rating so enjoy it.
3 words, Efficient, Fun and Interesting. No bull**** with them as they are a small operator with a limited amount of students per course unlike other big market training providers.
Your seen as a student not as a walking big cheque
The instructors make it fun because thats what it is supposed to be about. Its not a type rating so enjoy it.
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Hi Mac636,
I've just finished MCC at CRM Europe. good SIM, all Instructores Ex Airline training Captains...
Word of advise, try to be current in ME operations before starting the course...
Drop me a PM if you need further comments on MCC
I've just finished MCC at CRM Europe. good SIM, all Instructores Ex Airline training Captains...
Word of advise, try to be current in ME operations before starting the course...
Drop me a PM if you need further comments on MCC
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I did my MCC at Eurpoean
Would highly recommend them, very friendly and helpful. I was present when they took someone on from the course as they had just lost a pilot, i was short of their 500hr requirement so was gutted, ha ha
but there you go!
Would highly recommend them, very friendly and helpful. I was present when they took someone on from the course as they had just lost a pilot, i was short of their 500hr requirement so was gutted, ha ha
but there you go!
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Hi
I'm just doing some research with a mate here for MCC courses around the South of England.
I have heard good feedback about CRM too and from their website the price seems the same as last year, even now the VAT has gone up.
Can maybe Rfortez or anyone else give further information on this or what the course was like?
Cheers in advance.
I'm just doing some research with a mate here for MCC courses around the South of England.
I have heard good feedback about CRM too and from their website the price seems the same as last year, even now the VAT has gone up.
Can maybe Rfortez or anyone else give further information on this or what the course was like?
Cheers in advance.
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I must be on CRM's mailing list, but have already done my course.
But just for other peoples info I have pasted the email below:
"We have had a student drop out of a course starting this week on Friday 15th due to unforeseen circumstances. (The program is given at the very bottom of this page.)
To fill the gap we are offering the course for just £1,200
Please contact me ASAP if you, or your students are interested in this exceptionally well priced MCC course.
We will make all the necessary arrangements, including accommodation, if required."
might be a good deal for someone wanting a cheap one!
But just for other peoples info I have pasted the email below:
"We have had a student drop out of a course starting this week on Friday 15th due to unforeseen circumstances. (The program is given at the very bottom of this page.)
To fill the gap we are offering the course for just £1,200
Please contact me ASAP if you, or your students are interested in this exceptionally well priced MCC course.
We will make all the necessary arrangements, including accommodation, if required."
might be a good deal for someone wanting a cheap one!
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The reasons I went to CRM instead of European Sky Bus:
1. New SIM, glass cockpit, Warnings showing PFD like on EFIS equipped A/c.
2. Instructors Ex Airline training captains. Lots of experience.
3. Small class (In my course just 2 students). More time to speak with Instructors. Almost 1 to 1 instruction.
4. Price (£1500)
Apart of the recommendation on CRM, I will also recommend to be current before starting MCC. If you decide on CRM and you are not current, speak with them about it. They may allow you to use sim for small fee just for you to be current.
Hope this helps...
1. New SIM, glass cockpit, Warnings showing PFD like on EFIS equipped A/c.
2. Instructors Ex Airline training captains. Lots of experience.
3. Small class (In my course just 2 students). More time to speak with Instructors. Almost 1 to 1 instruction.
4. Price (£1500)
Apart of the recommendation on CRM, I will also recommend to be current before starting MCC. If you decide on CRM and you are not current, speak with them about it. They may allow you to use sim for small fee just for you to be current.
Hope this helps...
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Re: Simtech in Dublin
Beware of Simtech in Dublin, a nasty bunch. Had a friend that a certain Instructor of theirs Mr. S* P**** that used to ring him up and tell him that he needed more and more sim time to brush up for a sim assessment that Mr. S P kept telling him was coming up because he had inside knowledge. Needless to say the guy kept going for the extra sessions but really couldnt afford it. And guess what the assessments never came up!!!