MCC / JOC - Where??
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Thought I'd dig up this old thread as I’m planning to book my MCC…
Anybody with personal experience of the RYR MCCs care to comment? CAE and SAA are the two places I’ve found which seem to offer it. Are there any others?
Any advantage over say the Oxford MCC ?
Anybody with personal experience of the RYR MCCs care to comment? CAE and SAA are the two places I’ve found which seem to offer it. Are there any others?
Any advantage over say the Oxford MCC ?
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I went to European last year and would not recommend them. Did not feel the experience was that great due to instructor in SIM who was not very professional and shouted a lot.
Also had friend who did not enjoy the experience earlier this year for exactly the same reason and I believe the sim they were in broke down.
The ground school was okay apart from some old video.
I am sure if the instructor was different mine and my friends experiences would have been more positive.
Their are more modern sims around then old 737-200 or 747-200 and to be honest European need more investment if they are to stay around. The impression you get is some of the ex European pilots who lost their jobs were doing the MCC / JOC and had chip's on their shoulders.
CAE Burgess Hill have a good setup too along with Oxford, SAE and the CAE Ryanair MCC / JOC courses.
Good luck
Also had friend who did not enjoy the experience earlier this year for exactly the same reason and I believe the sim they were in broke down.
The ground school was okay apart from some old video.
I am sure if the instructor was different mine and my friends experiences would have been more positive.
Their are more modern sims around then old 737-200 or 747-200 and to be honest European need more investment if they are to stay around. The impression you get is some of the ex European pilots who lost their jobs were doing the MCC / JOC and had chip's on their shoulders.
CAE Burgess Hill have a good setup too along with Oxford, SAE and the CAE Ryanair MCC / JOC courses.
Good luck
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CRM Aviation are running a really good course at the moment at a really good price. The instructors are great and devote a lot of time to each pair of students.
If you need any more information just google CRM Aviation Europe. It is still priced at 1499, which I think is excellent value for the quality you get.
At the end of the day, the MCC is a very important transition from single ops to multi crew ops - but the course content is pretty much the same everywhere. So why not get it done somewhere where you going to be trained well, looked after and most importantly..... its cheap.
If you need any more information just google CRM Aviation Europe. It is still priced at 1499, which I think is excellent value for the quality you get.
At the end of the day, the MCC is a very important transition from single ops to multi crew ops - but the course content is pretty much the same everywhere. So why not get it done somewhere where you going to be trained well, looked after and most importantly..... its cheap.
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CRM Aviation question
Hi everyone,
It’s my first post on forum although I’ve been reading it since a while.
I’m looking for some information about CRM Aviation. I’m planning to get my MCC and JOC done on September and that school could be one of my choices.
1. What I would like to know is what you think about training they provide.
2. How can I get from Luton Airport to Cranfield using public transportation?
3. Which place do you recommend to stay at, that is within walking distance, and what is the most important is cheap!
Please PM me or post here on forum.
I appreciate your help.
-Tomzer
It’s my first post on forum although I’ve been reading it since a while.
I’m looking for some information about CRM Aviation. I’m planning to get my MCC and JOC done on September and that school could be one of my choices.
1. What I would like to know is what you think about training they provide.
2. How can I get from Luton Airport to Cranfield using public transportation?
3. Which place do you recommend to stay at, that is within walking distance, and what is the most important is cheap!
Please PM me or post here on forum.
I appreciate your help.
-Tomzer
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Why do guys always say they want To go on a 738 sim and full Notion and the rest and burn there money, the airlines dont care which sim you did your mcc in nor do they ask all they want is an mcc certificate for you To be legal , dont forget your not going To start a start a type rating but only mcc.
I did my mcc on a fixed base king air sim at London met and fly as a captain now so again don't waste money on expensive fancy machines.
Those guys who think it will help when you go for selection are getting way ahead of your self there as you don't know when or what sim you will be on if invited for a job selection and also then most operators are not expecting you to be able to fly a jet with 200 hours all they Wang to see is basic handling and teamwork(crm) which you should be able to do if you passes your IR.
I did my mcc on a fixed base king air sim at London met and fly as a captain now so again don't waste money on expensive fancy machines.
Those guys who think it will help when you go for selection are getting way ahead of your self there as you don't know when or what sim you will be on if invited for a job selection and also then most operators are not expecting you to be able to fly a jet with 200 hours all they Wang to see is basic handling and teamwork(crm) which you should be able to do if you passes your IR.
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Very strange, when many pilots I have spoken to that it is good experience that you have been and done few hours in a 737 sim (as an example), if you are called up for an assessment with companies like Ryan Air or others who use 737 sims for assessments. (And from what I have heard, quite many do)
Do you really want the assessment day to be your first time in 737 full motion sim?
Do you really not want to be a little familiar at least with some of the characteristics of how the controls feel, cockpit layout etc. I am sure for some it is not a problem, but do you need to take that "risk" for what might be the most important day of your career, to get into that first job!
And to be honest, to save around £500, yes that is the difference, after all the money spent on training, IR/CPL/ME, and you think that an extra £500 to do the MCC in a full motion 737 sim is a major problem.
How much will it cost you to rent a sim for few hours to prepare for an assessment?
It is not a major issue for me, I am not going to put one company ahead of another, but I was offered one for £1900, fixed base Citation, and £2500 for 737 full motion, after all those tests, ATPL's, etc., I want to know and feel what all this is really about, call it a treat, but it is also a new and very good experience, to get the feel of the controls, higher speeds and instrumentation.
It might not give you any more chance of a job on the paper work, but it might give you a little edge on the day you go in the sim for an assessment not to screw it up.
I have a captain friend who is arranging an assessment for me with a company, and he told me to get familiar with the 737 before my assessment, because this will help!
It's a bit like fools and horses, yes smart idea, spent £30000 - £40000 on training, and the extra £600 is what is going to break the camels back!!!! You must be having a laugh!
Do you really want the assessment day to be your first time in 737 full motion sim?
Do you really not want to be a little familiar at least with some of the characteristics of how the controls feel, cockpit layout etc. I am sure for some it is not a problem, but do you need to take that "risk" for what might be the most important day of your career, to get into that first job!
And to be honest, to save around £500, yes that is the difference, after all the money spent on training, IR/CPL/ME, and you think that an extra £500 to do the MCC in a full motion 737 sim is a major problem.
How much will it cost you to rent a sim for few hours to prepare for an assessment?
It is not a major issue for me, I am not going to put one company ahead of another, but I was offered one for £1900, fixed base Citation, and £2500 for 737 full motion, after all those tests, ATPL's, etc., I want to know and feel what all this is really about, call it a treat, but it is also a new and very good experience, to get the feel of the controls, higher speeds and instrumentation.
It might not give you any more chance of a job on the paper work, but it might give you a little edge on the day you go in the sim for an assessment not to screw it up.
I have a captain friend who is arranging an assessment for me with a company, and he told me to get familiar with the 737 before my assessment, because this will help!
It's a bit like fools and horses, yes smart idea, spent £30000 - £40000 on training, and the extra £600 is what is going to break the camels back!!!! You must be having a laugh!
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