FAA to JAA

[cefey]

best way from FAA CPL to JAA fATPL

Now, just to make it clear. I did make a good research before asking here And I did search forum for subj.

My question is, what is the best way to convert from FAA CPL to JAA fATPL.
The major factor is QUALITY of school/instructors and then of course cost at the school.

I want to do "residential course"
I have only 140hr, so I gonna need to fly 60 hours of flying.
I gonna need ME as well.

My est. cost to do it in US (OFT) is around 27.000$. That include ground, flight training, IR training and flying in UK, all written exams and skill tests, housing, visa and flight tickets to US. The only thing Im not sure about, where its include ME or not. So, total would be 27-30k$ or 18-19.000£.

Does anyone of you have price and conversion, if I have to do it in UK or Swiss?
And I would like to hear your opinions on schools/quality.
As for OFT, I heard some bad stuff and some good. I made my mind, thats its a quite good for ATPL conversion.

I gonna do some more research on schools at US and post it here. But for now, please, if anyone have experience for conversion in UK, swiss or somewhere else, share them, with prices and everything
Cheers!

[cefey]

Common Lads, none of you have done it in UK?! Conversasion to JAR fATPL in UK? Residential?

BTW
Price for Norway (luftfartskulen), is at around 200.000NOK. That without housing.
Cheers

[zondaracer]

i did my conversion distance learning. I will tell you all you want about distance learning in the UK

[cefey]

Well, as it goes for me, I do prefer residential. Its quicker and I like to do it in the classroom, with instructor.
However, you are very welcome to write about your experience, Im sure many people will appreciate that

[zondaracer]

Well, as it goes for me, I do prefer residential. Its quicker and I like to do it in the classroom, with instructor.

I like to do it at home, with my wife. And residential is not necessarily quicker. Oxford´s residential groundschool is 22 weeks, you can do Bristol´s DL in 16 weeks if you are motivated and distraction free.

[B2N2]

IR conversion:
You have to take the 9 written exams and the flight exam for the IR.
Which means you have to sit the 9-out-of-14-ATPL exams.
Good luck with that one.

[WeMadeYou]

Hello.

I have a JAA PPL with all 14 ATPL exams passed. 450 hours.
FAA Multi Private with Instrument rating.

I am going to do the FAA commercial now. What i wonder is, my instructor told me i have to do two check rides with SE and ME to get the commercial license and it should be about 27 hours. Is that really true? If feels like its a little bit to much.
My intention is just to get back to Europe and do the "conversion".

If thats true i guess it's cheaper for me to go back to Europe right now and do the 15 hours training for IR conversion and multi engine so i obtain a JAA PPL with ME and IR ratings, and then 15 hours for the JAA-CPL from the beginning so i get my JAA CPL/IR/ME.


Thanks in advance.

[zondaracer]

If you want an FAA CPL ASEL AND AMEL, yes you have to do two checkrides. If you only do one checkride for the single engine, you can still go to Europe and do your conversion on a single engine and then add the multi engine. Then you will have single and multi engine On your JAA license and only single engine on your FAA license.

Long story short, the flying school wants your money. If you never plan on flying a N-register twin engine, save your money and just do the single engine CPL under FAA. once you convert your CPL to JAA, you can always add the ME. What is the guy going to tell you next? That if you plan on flying a 737 in Europe, you better get your FAA 737 type rating first?

[WeMadeYou]

Thank you very much for your answer zondaracer, i appreciate it.

Then i will only do my AMEL commercial here. The same as you said but the other way around. I don't have a green card so i will never be able to work in the US anyway.
All my training is in ME planes and it´s much cheaper for me to fly ME here compared to SE in Europe so thats why.

[Tinstaafl]

JAA's & Australia's licencing system is mostly embrasive - all your aircraft privileges are included in each level of licence as you obtain them, subject to various recurrency/renewal requirements. Have a PPL for SEL & get tested for a CPL Multi-engine Land and the SEL privileges are included with the CPL.

The FAA systems is exclusionary. Have a PPL for SEL and get tested for a CPL Multi-Engine Land and you will have CPL privileges for a MEL, and only PPL privileges for SEL. That's why in the US you need to do more flight tests (checkrides) to gain MEL, MES, SEL, SES privileges at each licence level.

[zondaracer]

One good thing about the FAA system is that an IR is valid for both Single Engine and Multi Engine. Also, for helicopter guys, there is no single and multi engine ratings in the FAA system, just helicopter. And the JAA system has a type rating for every helicopter which one has to maintain current, unlike the FAA system.

[Tinstaafl]

Not quite true re IR validity. A single engine IR under every licencing system I know is only ever valid for SE aircraft**. A multi IR, however, is valid for singles and multis.



**In Oz a SE IR also allows ME flight in non-asymmetric multi types eg C337 if the pilot is otherwise qualified to fly the type.

[redsnail]

It's difficult to offer advice as you haven't provided much info about your exam status, whether you've done the medical and how many hours/types you have.

As I found out, there's nothing fast about converting your licence other than the rate at which money leaves your bank account.

[redsnail]

I haven't used them myself but mates and colleagues have, give PAT in Bournemouth a call or Bristol Flight Centre.

Good luck

[da42pilot]

5 hours CPL (possibly) and 15 hours IR.

Pass a UK FRTOL

Weather depending should be done in 2 weeks.

Bristol are very expensive as are Oxford.

If you want DA42 - Flying Time, Atlantic Flight Training, Cabair (expensive), Halfpenny Green

If you want gas guzzlers - PAT, BCFT, Airways, Aeros

There are hundreds of schools out there, choose your equipment and visit the schools.

[madlot]

Converting to JAA

I converted last year at Flyingtime, can't recomend them highly enough.

[zondaracer]

Not quite true re IR validity. A single engine IR under every licencing system I know is only ever valid for SE aircraft**. A multi IR, however, is valid for singles and multis.

Tinstaafl, in the USA, the instrument ratings pertain specifically to a certain category of aircraft, Airplane, Helicopter, Poweredlift. An instrument airplane rating is valid for both Multiengine and Single engine on an FAA ticket, however to fly instruments on a multiengine airplane, one must also have a multiengine rating and an instrument rating, but in the US, there are no ¨multiengine instrument¨ and ¨singleengine instrument¨ ratings.

[zondaracer]

SoCalApp is correct. There is always a technicality, isn´t there?

to remove the multiengine VFR restriction, you have to perform a single engine ops and an approach, so typically during a multiengine checkride, you will usually shoot a single engine ILS (on a multiengine plane) to cover that requirement.

[Tinstaafl]

And that is different from what I said, how? Do the test in a single and your IR is valid only for SE. It's a SE IR, and certainly not an all-embracing IR. Do it in a multi and it's valid for both. I'm in the US & people refer to their rating as a SE IR if applicable.

[zondaracer]

I guess we are all just arguing semantics then. FWIW, I'm American and had never heard of the instrument rating referred to anything but just an instrument rating during my time in the states.