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Old 24th Jun 2009, 18:19
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I even see CV's with half a dozen spelling mistakes! WOT?
..hypocrite?

Intelligence has no correlation with ones ability to spell or punctuate.
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 18:33
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WOT..........I think he's trying to make a point which obviously flew way above your head at mach 2.

You are right; intelligence does not correlate to spelling or punctuation ability. However, it does reflect overall education and 'ones' attention to detail and presentation. The more reputable airlines do look considerably further than raw flying ability. I have processed many hundreds of CVs and the first place a poorly presented, incoherent ramble that is laden with grammatical and spelling errors is consigned is 'file 13' aka the bin.

2098; I strongly suggest you broaden your interests beyond the realms of women and football. No matter how sociable you may be you will not get past the first interview.
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 18:42
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Intelligence has no correlation with ones ability to spell or punctuate.
Unfortunately for you I somehow can just see the look on the faces of the interview board when you throw that one at them!
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 18:47
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I'll tell you what the airlines donít want; people with no social skills. Who wants to site next to a pilot for 8 hours and talk about the current UK education system??! No Thanks!
Thats great, but what if the other pilot sitting next to you for 8 hours does want to talk about education, politics, how much tax he/she has to pay? It happens all the time. You don't always get to fly with similar people who share your love of beer and football. I spent 10 hours yesterday in the cockpit listening to my colleague bitch about his ex-wife.

I think a few people posting on this thread have demonstrated they have no idea about how the airline industry works, and those attacking Mikehotel152 clearly have no concept of what it is like working in a multi-crew flight deck. Social and communication skills include being able to grin and bear the fact you have to spend a whole day operating an a/c with someone you don't particularly like at all.

MikeHotel sounds like the last person I'd want to share a flight deck with.

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Old 24th Jun 2009, 18:59
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Someone just broke my irony-o-meter. Those moaning about speeling and grammafication (two of my pet subjects by the way) might want to re-read their posts and yes, I got the 'wot' gag.

Meanwhile, back on Planet Topic. Destinationsky, while making contacts is undoubtedly important the majority of them will mean a big, fat nothing when you contact them clutching a newly issued licence with 200 hours in your coffee-stain free logbook. One of the major factors dictating experience minimums is insurance and no amount of 'networking' will hide insufficient experience. I wish you well but have a feeling that when/if you finish your training you'll be experiencing the same emotions as those here, already ahead of you in the game, who you seek to advise.

Good luck with it.
 
Old 24th Jun 2009, 19:10
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Damn it Flinty. I was interested to see just how long it would take but you spoilt the fun! You are not supposed to be here. Less than one hour? Rubbish!
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 19:27
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The voices made me do it.
 
Old 24th Jun 2009, 19:56
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At the very least read through what you have written before clicking "submit reply."
Last edited by Kelly Hopper : Today at 19:06.
Missed something did we?

Thats great, but what if the other pilot sitting next to you for 8 hours does want to talk about education, politics, how much tax he/she has to pay? It happens all the time. You don't always get to fly with similar people who share your love of beer and football. I spent 10 hours yesterday in the cockpit listening to my colleague bitch about his ex-wife.
Good point, but my point was that self appointed spelling police are extremely dull and boring and difficult and annoying. I'll happily listen captain go on about his ex wife as long as he doens't start whining on to me about a spelling mistake I might have made.

Why attack someone for dodgy spelling, grammer blah blah blah its just pointless.

Maxreheat; Already jumped that hurdle thanks
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 20:29
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Oh 2098, please try to keep up!
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 20:30
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Sorry, quant, but I do not understand your post.

Are you saying Ronand has ignored the silly PPRuNe spelling police or are you telling him to ignore the silly PPRuNe spelling police?

Case in point.

And I ought to clarify that my comments about the correct use of the English language were not aimed at Ronand, but at native speakers.
To us native speakers my comments are easily understood perhaps your command of our great language isn't what you think it is I'm sorry but you have no case and point and i don't want to be drawn into an argument with a 12 year old.

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Old 24th Jun 2009, 20:34
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Why attack someone for dodgy spelling, grammer blah blah blah its just pointless.
Why bother replying?

Damn! I just did it too.


Believe it or not attention to detail is kind of important in our job. Yes, some pilots are picky, anal, pedantic or whatever you want to call it but I'd rather fly with one of them than someone for whom near enough is good enough. I know, I know. It's 'only' the internet but most of us wouldn't tolerate it at work so why put up with it on this professional pilot's forum? Try posting in textspeak and you'd be moderated, yes? Merely differing degrees of the same thing.

As for conversation on the flight deck I'd get up and go for a walk if anyone mentioned football or their latest squeeze. Might as well swop knitting patterns.
 
Old 24th Jun 2009, 20:45
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MikeHotel get a life. I'll tell you what the airlines donít want; people with no social skills. Who wants to site next to a pilot for 8 hours and talk about the current UK education system??! No Thanks!

I'll stick to football and women
I ought not lower myself to the level of replying to this, but...ha ha ha...you know what, I'd much rather talk about football and women! Unfortunately, that won't get you a job. I take issue with the suggestion that I have no social skills because I see value in using the English language properly!

MikeHotel sounds like the last person I'd want to share a flight deck with.

A career FO in the making
That's a bit harsh considering you have never met me. The anonymity of this forum means that one day we might meet on the flightdeck and you will never guess that the smiling, funny, considerate, and helpful guy next to you has an alter-ego called Mikehotel152.

Why attack someone for dodgy spelling, grammer blah blah blah its just pointless
It isn't pointless. A lack of punctuation can completely change the intended meaning of a sentence! If you don't see that as a problem in any profession, there is little point talking to you about it. Poor spelling makes you look careless. Poor syntax makes you look thick. Of course it's possibly to get a job while possessing the language skills of a 12 year old. It's just less likely.

To us native speakers my comments are easily understood perhaps your command of our great language isn't what you think it is I'm sorry but you have no case and point and i don't want to be drawn into an argument with a 12 year old.
Oh, I have no doubt that we all know what you meant; we native speakers just chuckle at your inability to articulate yourself properly in your own language.

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Old 24th Jun 2009, 20:53
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And yet again we have what started out as a sensible thread degenerate into absolute nonsense.

It does highlight, however, that careful consideration is needed before rushing into this career, as too often people seem to have no understanding as to the reality of the industry at present and that £40K+ is a lot of money - especially if it's borrowed.
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 21:06
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Why attack someone for dodgy spelling, grammer blah blah blah its just pointless.
Perhaps it is because it is a professional pilots website and not something like MSN messenger. Given the international dimension of a site like this, it is natural that for many posters English isn't a first language, and equally it shouldn't be necessary for anybody to have to proof read every submission in order to avoid the odd mistake. However given the target audience and the general level of perception, it is not unreasonable to expect that somebody posts (where they can) without every other word being erroneous, or employing some form of abbreviated telephone text vocabulary.

In an industry where communication is one of the key requirements, it is reasonable to expect that those who seek answers, and those that give them, can employ many of the key elements of those communication skills, to at least an average reflection of their ability.

Anyway going back to my original reponse to the posters question, which itself was a question, what were you expecting?
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 21:14
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It's not absolute nonsense, (yet), it's just evolving.
What is somewhat at odds is 2098's reluctance to accept, at least some error of his ways. Taking a look at all your postings, they ALL contain spelling mistakes. As you are trying to find employment I wonder if all your applications also do?
Can you not appreciate that if your application has no spelling mistakes or gramatical errors you may be one step ahead of the next guy already? With them you are one step behind! It may not be important to you, but it may be to your employer.
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 21:29
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I'm off to the library to read up on modern art, I don't want that splendid old chap the captain to think I'm a commoner

I Spent 10 years working in industry, the most commonly talked about subject was women, the 2nd was usually sport.

I Spent 18 months training as a pilot, the most talked about topic was women, the 2nd was flying and 3rd was usually sport.

Back on topic;

Stop crying and get on with it. Things could be worse alot worse. You wont get much sympathy out in the real world after blowing 45k on flying around in 20year old washing machines.
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 21:32
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And this had the potential to be a rather good, interesting thread. It now resembles something of a playground.

What a shame.
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 21:35
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Kelly maybe you should check your cv for spelling mistakes too? Perhaps there isn't a demand for a capable and motivated pilot who can't spell???

Shankly, make a decent contribution then?

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Old 24th Jun 2009, 21:59
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2098

I did. Page one. Your tone indicates you have taken issue with my last comment? Why?

My comment happened to follow yours, and in no way did I infer you, or any other inividual. So I fail to see the logic of your semi-hostility in your "...then" post. Unfortunately it seems to be a growing trait on PPRuNe, taking umbridge with someone where a) there is no need and b) you wouldn't in a non-virtual debate......

And by that, do you wish me to contribute to this gripping debate whether spelling is important or not on a forum? I have an opinion on it but quite frankly, it's neither here nor there to the original poster, or in fact anybody else.
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Old 24th Jun 2009, 22:02
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Easy tiger
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