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Advice needed urgently should i start now?

Old 13th Jun 2009, 17:38
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Advice needed urgently should i start now?

Basically ive been on and off these forums for a year now ,my situation is that im finishing my AS course going onto A2`s this september....im like many of those young ones aspiring to be a airline pilot......but cant make my mind up of when to start all i read from other peoples posts are positive or negative ....alongside a resccsion/high unemployment etc .....

however picture that im building in my head right now is 2 routes

1) see how the economy is next year january and hopefully apply to oaa to start in september ....(finish around 2012 ....does that put me in a good position for job prospects?


or


2) Do some sort of aviation degree for a year at city universerty ....tht should buy another year for the economy to recover then join oaa.



please people can i have decent opinions and stright answers although stright answers will be difficult .

Any help will be appreciated
Thank you
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 17:42
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heya,

I'm pretty much in the same position as you, looking to go to OAA after finishing A levels.
What i've picked up from here (and elsewhere) is that doing an aviation related degree is not a good idea. If you are planning to go and do a degree do it on something else that way if becoming a pilot falls through you've got something else to fall back on.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 17:50
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I can't recommend enough to you do NOT get an aviation degree. What a waste of time. If you want a degree, get a proper one. If you want to be a pilot then train to be a pilot. If you want 'a back up plan' that people seem to go on about then do a PROPER degree and then train. As for the timing, why not get a job after you leave school, work for a year saving as much cash as you can and then use that for living expenses while training, and then consider the flying training at OAA? If your goal is to be a pilot and someone is willing to go guarantor for the money there is no desperate hurry to get it done right now.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 17:51
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yh thts true ive also considered tht aswell but tht would mean another 3 years or so with extra debt....,need some adivice to see if its gonna be the right time to start next year ..in order to see if i can get a job when i come out.....
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 17:53
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If you are looking for a guarantee of a job join the RAF. Otherwise, welcome to the real world.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 17:56
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not looking for a ganrantee ,and ive seen and heard howz it lyk out there at the moment but 2013 job prospects going to be OK or still the same situation as we have today.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 18:05
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It is impossible to say. I would hope that things have begun to improve by then. I would strongly recommend going out and working in industry for a year or two to earn money and gain life experience. Consider flying lessons to solo or gliding as well to see how you fare in an aircraft. There is always a risk of not getting a job, I know nice guys and girls who couldn't get one 2-3 years ago and it was a very good time then. And I am not being an ar*e but spell things properly.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 18:10
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one question.... why only OAA?
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 18:13
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You all seem to look for "advice" but wont take one telling you what is happening out there right now!
Why dont you just say that you want somebody to tell you, go ahead, now is the best time to ask your parents for 80K loan
Time and time again and see highschool seniors coming on PPRuNe talking about going to OAA or other FTO with integrated courses.
You all seem to talk about all this very "lightly", but yet you never had a proper job, lived on your own and have NO clue whats REAL life looks like, and what 80K loan means.
Well, do whatever you want... Its you parents money.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 18:20
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Despite the title of the thread, the advice you are seeking isn't urgent. An hour or so reading these forums should give you a fairly good idea of the state of the aviation job market for low houred pilots. Experienced commercial pilots come to that.

There is no urgency, take your time and research your options carefully in your own time. While your at it, could you try and avoid using text speak in your posts, as it makes them look rather odd and unnecessarily rushed and clumsy?
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 18:22
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gbb -- what is up with PPRuNe always with negative comments.and infact i have had a proper job ive worked at my bro`s law firm in the city for 6 weeks and also have many retail experinece so dont be rude.

thebreak - i appreciate all you have said.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 18:48
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ba038 go for it. I've begun already (modular), i did get into OAA but i decided against it due to the current market conditions.

Be aware that it's rough out there but you can get a good training deal at the moment. I have multiple degrees (in maths, physics) but i can't for the life of me work out why people are calling aviation degrees rubbish? When i got on a graduate scheme i met people who had studied zoology, aviation related subject, botany etc and we all were training to become financial analysts and some like me have become quants! IMHO the classification of the degree is important but what you study isn't!


I'm loving every minute of flying

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Old 13th Jun 2009, 19:09
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six weeks working in a law firm is not living in the real world.

ive been in the same place as you are in right now. the only thing i can say, like ive said before somewhere on here is decide with your brain, not your heart and you will make the decission right for you.

and again, one questoin... why OAA?
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 20:02
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He`s choosen OAA because it is PERCIEVED that they have the best employment prospects after training.

Correct me if iam wrong?
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 20:07
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first of all sorry for the mispellings and txt writing im at work and having to whizz bk and forth the forums....

i titled it urgent because of finance longstory........

many have asked why oaa......ive just mentioned it for an example and i most probably may go for it aswell as keeping in mind ctc ,fte ,cabair.

nashers - sixs week in a law firm ....also working in various different retail stores aswell as a waiter ...more or less the taste of the so called real world isnt that far off for me ....but i do take into account what you have said.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 20:33
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Quant;

IMHO the classification of the degree is important but what you study isn't!
Off topic i'm afraid but that is utter nonsense in my opinion, if the years I did in the city banks are anything to go by.

If anything what you studied and probably more importantly where you studied it are the crucial factors. I never saw anyone without a degree in a "proper" subject from a "proper" university even get an interview for any of the junior roles on the trading desks or equity research dept that I worked for. I'd sooner take someone with a 3rd in maths/physics/eng from a top institution over a 1st in botany/zoology/aviation related (excluding aero eng obviously).
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 21:04
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Maybe he has been to OAA and liked the place? just a thought
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 21:14
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Tottally agree with you james D.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 21:39
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NO! DO NOT START TRAINING NOW - or within the next 1-2yrs.

The airline industry is in MELTDOWN at the moment. Despite what FTOs are saying, it will take YEARS and YEARS to recover from the severe downturn we are in - and we still havent reached the bottom. IATA has doubled its original estimate of airline losses for this year. NO AIRLINES are recruiting at the moment (except for hold pools or pay to fly schemes). And they wont be recruiting for YEARS.

My advice would be take option 2 - got to UNI but do a "proper" degree. City flight ops degree is useless outside aviation so if you want a good backup plan for another career then look somewhere else.
OR get a job after your Alevels and work for a few years.

We have all been in your position of "WANTING IT REALLY BADLY and BECOMING A PILOT". However now is not the time to take the plunge. Remember the average age of Integrated students is 23-26. So you still have ages of time to start training. Dont rush into it because you have no rush.

Hope that is of some help/insight and good luck.
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Old 13th Jun 2009, 22:12
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Exactly what iam dong at the moment, iam a year older though just finishing my A2 exams this summer. I will be working for the next few years so i dont hav debt when going into training.

Have you thought about doing your class one medical before you decide not to go to uni ?

I did mine this time last year, which secured my mind that i would work for a few years then go and train.
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