Can I do my JAA ATP Xride & IR in a Level D sim?
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Can I do my JAA ATP Xride & IR in a Level D sim?
I have a question that I'm really not sure about. Ok, I am a current airline pilot in the US with a FAA ATPL, current Captain, 3000+TT, 2000+Jet and two jet type ratings. I will be completing my ATPL theory exams shortly and will then need to do the 'CPL Skills test' and 'IR'. The question I have is that instead of spending a few grand on doing the skills test in the US and then the IR in Euro airspace, would it be possible to just do a type rating in the US (at one of the places that offer JAA type ratings) and the type ride count as my CPL and IR? The only reason is that I understand that I'll have to spend a few grand to do the CPL and IR, so why shouldn't I just spend the money on something a little more useful like a type rating and kill two birds with one stone? I hope I'm making sense. I figure, if I go somewhere (for arguments sake lets say CAE Simuflite Dallas) to do a JAA Citation II type rating then could the type rating checkride count as a triple whammy CPL & IR checkride and a type ride?
If someone could clarify then that'd be great.
Thanks.
If someone could clarify then that'd be great.
Thanks.
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LASORs is your friend on the CAA website.
If you have 500 hours in multipilot aircraft (ie FAR 25) then you can do your LST in a sim on which you have 500 hours (or a full JAA/EASA type rating etc).
However, the gotcha is that check ride MUST be observed by a CAA observer as well as a TRE.
Since flying one over to the US is a costly exercise, most do it in the UK.
If you have 500 hours in multipilot aircraft (ie FAR 25) then you can do your LST in a sim on which you have 500 hours (or a full JAA/EASA type rating etc).
However, the gotcha is that check ride MUST be observed by a CAA observer as well as a TRE.
Since flying one over to the US is a costly exercise, most do it in the UK.
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Thanks for that info. Out of curiosity, do you know who'd have an EMB-145 or a CL-65 sim in the UK and maybe an approximate cost for something like this?
In the UK
In the UK
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Just googled Alteon, FSI and CAE and I couldn't find a EMB 145 or a CL-65 sim amongst them in the UK. Feel free to search a bit more but I didn't see any thing there.
Sorry.
The CAA examiner? Not cheap.
It may pay to do the cheapest FAR/JAR 25 rating in the UK and attach a LST with CAA on to it.
Sorry.
The CAA examiner? Not cheap.
It may pay to do the cheapest FAR/JAR 25 rating in the UK and attach a LST with CAA on to it.
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Thanks - you've really been a wealth of information. Yeah - I was thinking down the same path with my initial post but wasn't sure if I picked up a cheap (I say cheap but it never is!) type rating then it'll kill two birds with one stone. So as I understand it, I can get a type though FSI/CAE or one of the type companies on a popular type (eg Citation I/II, Lear etc) and then just let them know I want a CAA LST on the same type checkride. Is that the way to go? Do I have to contact the CAA separately and organise to have one of their examiners meet us on checkride day? Ball park figure for a fee?
Only reason I want to do it this way is that I'll easily end up spending a few grand doing it on a MEP aircraft anyway. I figured, why not just do a type as at least it may be useful at some point for a bit more cash.
All help is much appreciated.
Thanks.
Only reason I want to do it this way is that I'll easily end up spending a few grand doing it on a MEP aircraft anyway. I figured, why not just do a type as at least it may be useful at some point for a bit more cash.
All help is much appreciated.
Thanks.
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G'day BP.
To ensure you get the full ATPL make sure it's a JAR 25 aircraft, pretty much the same as a FAR 25 one. I think Joint Aviation Authorities has the full listing. It's a bit of a read.
The sim facility I am most familiar with is FSI at Farnborough. (EGLF)
They have a range of bizjets there that would tick the box.
Challengers, Hawkers and CJ2s are popular.
I would give them a call as they are probably far more familiar with the ins and outs of the whole process as well as the costs.
As for getting a CAA examiner? I had to do that myself and it's not a cheap exercise. A couple hundred pounds if I recall correctly. (£500 or £600)
To ensure you get the full ATPL make sure it's a JAR 25 aircraft, pretty much the same as a FAR 25 one. I think Joint Aviation Authorities has the full listing. It's a bit of a read.
The sim facility I am most familiar with is FSI at Farnborough. (EGLF)
They have a range of bizjets there that would tick the box.
Challengers, Hawkers and CJ2s are popular.
I would give them a call as they are probably far more familiar with the ins and outs of the whole process as well as the costs.
As for getting a CAA examiner? I had to do that myself and it's not a cheap exercise. A couple hundred pounds if I recall correctly. (£500 or £600)
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British Guy,
I was in almost the same situation, trying to get an CAA Inspoctor to FS in Paris for observing the LST. Impossible. They told me they are not able to send any Inspector abroad. So only way is doing the Sim in the UK. Because of getting no Sim Slot with FS Farnbourough I decided doing the CPL IR ME way. But you are right, its burned money. Now I've got the JAA papers but still need to do the LST on the Citation 2. The only improvemnt for me now is that it must not observed by the CAA anymore.
Good luck
I was in almost the same situation, trying to get an CAA Inspoctor to FS in Paris for observing the LST. Impossible. They told me they are not able to send any Inspector abroad. So only way is doing the Sim in the UK. Because of getting no Sim Slot with FS Farnbourough I decided doing the CPL IR ME way. But you are right, its burned money. Now I've got the JAA papers but still need to do the LST on the Citation 2. The only improvemnt for me now is that it must not observed by the CAA anymore.
Good luck
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As mentioned earlier, one gotcha is that the JAA type ride must be observed by a CAA inspector in order to be used as JAA ATPL practical test, for conversion purposes. Another gotcha is that a CAA Inspector will only travel abroad to observe an ATPL sim ride if a simulator for the aircraft to be used for the checkride is not available in the UK.
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I hate to say it (actually I don't) - I'm quite embarrassed about how much red tape the CAA is wrapped up in. They almost make it impossible for you to do anything. I'm a proud Brit - but in this instance I have to say it, hand up to the Yanks. The FAA seems to be a much more of a user friendly system to work with. Now every governing body has it's problems, but with the CAA it seems as if they're not really a body that's there to help or provide much support to the system - just make it harder.
The last day of a 4 day trip - I have to vent.
The last day of a 4 day trip - I have to vent.
