Did anyone find training as hard as I do?

[G SXTY]

if you can't hand fly a raw data ILS you shouldn't be in the RHS

You don't say. Maybe I wasn't quite clear enough. I can fly a raw data ILS thank you, otherwise I wouldn't have got anywhere near the right hand seat of an airliner. My personal definition of 'rubbish' is clearly somewhat harsher than the CAA's, as they and my airline were both happy enough with my performance.

My point, which was obviously not well made, was that we all find one or more aspects of flight training difficult, but fixating on them can make things worse rather than better, and that with hindsight they are often not the big issue they appear to be at the time.

Anyway, enough advice from experienced pilots - back to the bitching . . .

[BetpumpS]

Mate,you might not like me but all I wrote was truth.The difference between me and you is that I earned my way to the flight deck and you simply bought it So I think from this point of view I've got more authority,than you,to judge about personal abilities needed to complete the training successfully

I still had to pass my PPL, CPL, IR, ME, ATPLs and TR. So please tell me exactly why and how you have more authority to JUDGE personal abilities?

Does the fact that "daddy" paid for my TR make me less of a pilot?

Abagnale, you are talking bull of epic proportions. I have read your posts and they cross the line of ridiculous. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Even the pilots I know who trained part time and didn't have "daddy" to help them don't have the arrogance that you have.

Do you have a problem?

[Abagnale]

I still had to pass my PPL, CPL, IR, ME, ATPLs and TR.

Anybody can do it,nothing to be proud of.

Does the fact that "daddy" paid for my TR make me less of a pilot?

It doesn't make you less of a pilot,it makes you less of a man responsible for himself.

Do you have a problem?

Yes,I have.The aviation industry smells very bad nowadays only because of people like you.You cannot judge properly,you just make assumptions.I'm not going to reply to you anymore,because I feel like you're not educated enough for a proper discussion.Cheers

[Halfwayback]

Watch it!

OK Yellow card being waved at the protaganists above!

Either stick to the thread topic or face a period of silence.

HWB

[portsharbourflyer]

G-Sxty,

Apologises for mis-interpreting your original post.

But thanks for the clarification.

[A340Crazy]

Abagnale

Are you 5 years old?

As far as i'm concerned, how can Betpumps be less of a man responsible for himself if he flies 747's around the world? That alone tells me that he has to be someone who posesses a high level of responsibility firstly for himself and for others.

[Tima84]

I really struggle with training! I had 2 flights back to back today and could not get a grip of slow flight, power on, power off stalls. We should have moved to other excercises today, but we did not, because I can't do the ones before. More mistakes I make more nervous I get.
Today my instructor told me that I am the most challenge that he has had ever.
Everybody keeps on telling me that the skill will come to me with time, though my friend that started at the same time as I did already passed all of the excercices in 3 flights with the same instructor.
That is just so frustrating!!!

[A340Crazy]

Tima84

Try not to compare your progress with others, i know thats difficult but you'll find that most instructors will tell you that different students progress through stages of their training faster than others. Maybe chat with another instructor about what you're battling with.
When i find some parts of my training difficult to grasp i get the books out and study the theory behind it, just to get the bigger picture in mind.

Hope this helps..Good luck.

[Tima84]

Thanks for help.
I did slow flight today and did it really good. My stalls were better not perfect, but better.
I did compare myself to others, but my instructor also tells me that I am the slowest he's had, which is not very encouraging. Today, though, he told me that I am getting better.

Also, I have trobule to listening to ATC and replying back. I started to listen to liveatc online, but I dont know how it will help, I really dont understand what they say, because it is so fast. I can speak english on a normal level for an internation student, but ATC is just too fast.

Anyways, I feel way better today. Thanks for your support!

[benish]

Tima84, Have you got flightsim? check out vatsim on google and try get on flightsim flying online, there you can pick up a bit of atc knowledge, you could do an R/T course too.
secondly, i know your instructor is trying to help and hes telling you what he thinks, but ask yourself if hes the right instructor for you. when your low on confidence and he tells you that your slow and the biggest challenge, will that really help you?

Im in Florida at the minute, at first I found it slightly hard to grasp the way my instructor taught me, it felt like he wasnt really guiding me in the way i expected. Then I had a change of instructor cos he the other guy was off. I settled right down and he helped me understand my errors and taught me through the steps. Im now back with the original guy, who is the CFI, he has fine tuned my ability, if you like, and I feel fine with him now. I can tell sometimes hes not impressed, but he wont tell me, in fact today I did a Prog check and thought I did crap, I expected him to tell me so, but he said I could bust you but I wont as I know you can improe it next time. Thats what instructors should do, he knew my confidence was at breaking point but he kept me up, hell never tell me Im bad, hell just tell me we learn it till you know it, and what ever you spend, you spend. Just remember, and this goes to anyone with money doubts or doubts about taking longer than others, another lesson to 'fine tune' something may cost more money, but you want to be a safe and effiecient pilot, you have to learn the basics and get them right. Theres no point half accepting something and moving on if youll only fail at it later.

Good luck

[benish]

Originally Posted by abingdale

What I don't understand is why nowadays anybody without any educational background can easily become a pilot?All you need is money,that's it,you can have 300 extra hours but you will still get the license.I feel like that's the main reason profession is becoming less and less prestigious with the average salary declining every year...Just think about it-not everybody can become a doctor,a lawyer,an engineer,because you need certain personal qualities and abilities to do those jobs,but many young pilots I work with nowadays are actually quite shocking...My point is there should be some kind of selection progress,probably govermental control,FTOs do not really care if you're going to kill 300 people the day after tommorrow,all they want is your money....And what do you want to hear?Something like-don't worry,everybody is been struggling throught the training,you'll be flying 737s anyway...No,that's not the case,I would say you should just take your training more seriously and WORK HARDER

If there's ever been a reason to agree with the majority of pilots I know, who think pprune is sad and negative, its that post and the rest of your posts in this topic. What ever happened to helpful advice? The airlines obviosly decided they dont need people with degrees anymore, the governemt didnt have a say, so therefore it must be seen as acceptable, which therefore means that they believe there is no lack of safety. A degree in accountancy means diddly sqwot to some recruiter. If you have the ability to fly, an fATPL then why cant you fly! Trade workers arent exactly special in the brain department but they are emplyed to do the job they have been trained in, and skilled to do.

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I still had to pass my PPL, CPL, IR, ME, ATPLs and TR.
Anybody can do it,nothing to be proud of.

That suggests to me your not proud of your achievement. Lighten up.

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Does the fact that "daddy" paid for my TR make me less of a pilot?
It doesn't make you less of a pilot,it makes you less of a man responsible for himself.

So what someone had the training paid for, who knows he may owe that money back. But in this economy its a nice thing, if your parents are willing to help and want to SUPPORT there child then so be it, saves them interest at a bank.

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Do you have a problem?
Yes,I have.The aviation industry smells very bad nowadays only because of people like you.You cannot judge properly,you just make assumptions.I'm not going to reply to you anymore,because I feel like you're not educated enough for a proper discussion.Cheers

Backs up my first point.

The difference between me and you is that I earned my way to the flight deck and you simply bought it So I think from this point of view I've got more authority,than you,to judge about personal abilities needed to complete the training successfully

Why? Whether it was given to someone on a plate or not, why does that mean they cant judge how to successfully become a pilot? They still went through the training and experienced it didnt they? Or did daddy just wave a magic wand and put them in the RHS?

your instructor taught you to fly the airplane,but he hasn't made a real man out of you and I think nobody ever will

Shameful

[Tima84]

benish, thanks a lot.

I am in Melbourne, a little south from where you are.

[Matt101]

Abagnale,

Okay so the degree or not debate goes on elsewhere but I hadn't heard the spin before that having a degree actually makes you a better pilot.

Would the ability to assess and compare a set of prose make me a better pilot? Would a knowledge of early 20th century literature make me a better pilot? Would an understanding of the reasons behind the Vietnam war make me a better pilot? Do you see what I am getting at? - a degree can be a useful thing in life - it opens many doors for people in the employment world and can provide solid experience in dealing with life, but it is not the only way to achieve these qualities and it is certainly not a pre requisite for being a good pilot.

I would encourage most people who have the opportunity to go to university but only because the aviation sector is so volatile and a back up is always a good idea.

My background: I completed my A-levels and attended university but found that the experience was not what I was looking for (despite going to a top 5 Russell group university), I took the credit I had earned so far and am completing my degree through the OU now. I wanted to get on the earn so I could start the expensive training for the job I really wanted. My (work in progress) degree so far has not really helped me to become a better pilot.

No daddy didn't pay for me to do the integrated ATPL, the airline I work for stumped up the cash after I performed well at selection and continue to do extremely well in all aspects of my training. I consider myself very lucky but also worthy having worked hard and having a decent level of aptitude for the job of my dreams. Not having a degree makes me no less deserving.

Not anybody can do this job. Not everybody has the aptitude, nor the will, nor the determination. That's what would be pilots require. Not a BA in Life Studies.

Life experience for me came after 3 years working in an airline and 2 years as a MIS Supervisor. All the time saving and waiting for the chance to do the dream job. I am so sorry that my presence on the Pilot scene detracts from your prestigious position in life.

Oh and to the original OP - chin up we all find some bits hard work, you just have to work hard at them and eventually something will click - the nature of the work means that we set ourselves high limits. Even if I score well in a flying or ground school test if I feel I did badly the actual result can be meaningless, the answer to this is to give yourself a break and enjoy the training!

[Desk-pilot]

Some thoughts

I think you should consider a change of instructor to someone who you find more supportive.

Yes, I found the IR phase difficult, often very difficult and spent several sleepless nights thinking I wouldn't be able to crack it but got there and so will you.

Finally, I decided to blow about £1000 during the IR phase on a serious home flight-sim to run Microsoft Flight Simulator. I would strongly urge you to consider this if you possibly can (it was the only bit of my flight training that my parents helped with but it meant I could practice things at home. The most important bit was buying a really good yoke - I bought a Precision Flight controls jetliner column yoke and twin prop throttle quadrant system (see Precision Flight Controls,Inc.Flight Simulation,Flight Training Devices) I also invested in a nav stack from Goflight (GoFlight, Inc.® Factory Direct) and used some old cheap rudder pedals I had lying around. I bought the best Seneca for FS2004 I could find and found it a great help as it enabled me to run checklists, practice holds, fly routes and combine it with online ATC on VATSIM. It's miles better than armchair flying and far cheaper than even a few extra twin hours plus you can easily use it throughout your career.

Best investment I ever made...

Good luck,

Desk-pilot