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Mad Jock,
Whilst I completely agree with your post, I think littco was refering to the fact that with the hoods up you can't look out even if you wanted to. Therefore, it makes no difference if you are IMC or VMC. If you have the hood up, your instructor or saftey pilot should be doing that for you. That is why they have to be there by law.
I understand that in a SPA in VMC under any type of service, you need to look out and I think littco would agree.
30ft makes me twitch!
EK
Whilst I completely agree with your post, I think littco was refering to the fact that with the hoods up you can't look out even if you wanted to. Therefore, it makes no difference if you are IMC or VMC. If you have the hood up, your instructor or saftey pilot should be doing that for you. That is why they have to be there by law.
I understand that in a SPA in VMC under any type of service, you need to look out and I think littco would agree.
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In the real world when you have an IFR departure out of a major airport it doesn't matter if it's VMC or IMC because you have to fly the instruments. It may be a bright sunny day but you still have to look down and follow those needles.
Again if you read the airprox reports a 737 nearly hit a radio controlled model at 1500ft under vectors in Class D.
I have seen models as well operating on the final approach path of Southampton at 0.5 miles finals. Caused Mayhem.
And when the report on the Cov accident comes out it will make interesting reading as well about IFR training under the hood.
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thank you all for all the stories and please do keep them coming. 
My point of view here was that the transition from instruments to visual in IMC would look very much different the VMC. The way it looks for me now is at the MAP i pull up the hood and see a bright sunny day visibility greater then 6 miles and even if I were half blind i could see the runway for a couple of miles back. I think that flying in IMC would look very much different and in the transition it would be much more difficult to try to catch a glance of those first couple of runway lights of the airport environment. Also I'm sure it takes some getting used to in those last few minutes of the approach when you have to try to keep the airport insight and maintain your instrument scan so you dont get into trouble.
All of these things Im currently not getting under the hood.
My point of view here was that the transition from instruments to visual in IMC would look very much different the VMC. The way it looks for me now is at the MAP i pull up the hood and see a bright sunny day visibility greater then 6 miles and even if I were half blind i could see the runway for a couple of miles back. I think that flying in IMC would look very much different and in the transition it would be much more difficult to try to catch a glance of those first couple of runway lights of the airport environment. Also I'm sure it takes some getting used to in those last few minutes of the approach when you have to try to keep the airport insight and maintain your instrument scan so you dont get into trouble.All of these things Im currently not getting under the hood.
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And just to show what brain dead tossers are out there and why you should look out.
CASA probes near miss between model plane and passenger jet : thewest.com.au
CASA probes near miss between model plane and passenger jet : thewest.com.au
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IFR / IMC Training
Way back in the 1960's, I used to train students for their Instrument ratings in a Cessna 182, fitted with all the "goodies". It worked well and gave the students an excellent idea of what it was all about. We even had a VAR system fitted to the aircraft.
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Abagnale, replying to your post #19, once I was enroute on a long leg, my instructor would allow me to put her on autopilot for a short period while I refreshed my memory from my plates in respect of the next leg/approach/landing.
Australia CAO 40.1.0 section 10.9 allows me to log such time as instrument flight time as long as I manipulate the autopilot while under the hood.
Australia CAO 40.1.0 section 10.9 allows me to log such time as instrument flight time as long as I manipulate the autopilot while under the hood.
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Mad Jock,
I don't disagree with what you are saying but as pointed out we are talking about IFR training here, and whilst you do have a duty of care to look out you also have a duty of care to follow the SID or approach plate, One person flies the aircraft the other monitors not only the PF but also out the window..
The real issue here is, as I pointed out if you do your IFR training in VMC or IMC it shouldn't matter as you can't see out the window as a pilot flying, it's the instructors responsibilty to keep a watchful look out.
I don't disagree with what you are saying but as pointed out we are talking about IFR training here, and whilst you do have a duty of care to look out you also have a duty of care to follow the SID or approach plate, One person flies the aircraft the other monitors not only the PF but also out the window..
The real issue here is, as I pointed out if you do your IFR training in VMC or IMC it shouldn't matter as you can't see out the window as a pilot flying, it's the instructors responsibilty to keep a watchful look out.
