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New person needing some advice!
Hi everyone, been looking at these forums for the last few weeks and trawling the web for answers (also read the sticky!).
Basicly I have always loved flying and after my friend finished his PPL (Heli) and started to get ready too do his CPL I have now found myself in the perfect financial position to start learning/training. Been in property devlopment for the last few years after finishing uni and as the market is bad at the moment I want to start my training.
I also live with my partner so going too the oxford or Jerez intergrated training place is out the question.
So from what i have researched I have too do these:
Class 2 medical
PPL
Night
IR
MEP Rating
Class 1 medical
CPL
I have found a school near me (Flight Academy Blackpool) which if i have this right, offers almost everything I need apart from the multi crew and ATPL?
So without bashing me too much
am I correct? Also is this flight school good/recomended? Or are there others that are better nearby(South Cumbria).
Also where abouts would I be able too do the ATPL and Multicrew?
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James
Basicly I have always loved flying and after my friend finished his PPL (Heli) and started to get ready too do his CPL I have now found myself in the perfect financial position to start learning/training. Been in property devlopment for the last few years after finishing uni and as the market is bad at the moment I want to start my training.
I also live with my partner so going too the oxford or Jerez intergrated training place is out the question.
So from what i have researched I have too do these:
Class 2 medical
PPL
Night
IR
MEP Rating
Class 1 medical
CPL
I have found a school near me (Flight Academy Blackpool) which if i have this right, offers almost everything I need apart from the multi crew and ATPL?
So without bashing me too much
am I correct? Also is this flight school good/recomended? Or are there others that are better nearby(South Cumbria).Also where abouts would I be able too do the ATPL and Multicrew?
Cheers
James
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Firstly I'd reconmend getting the Class 1 medical right away and not bothering with the Class 2 at all (so that you don't end up wasting money pursuing something that you're unfit for).
Don't know anything about your school but I'd say that its probably a good idea to do as much as possible at one school like you could get there. ATPL and MCC can wait really (at least until you have your PPL - you never know what your flight school may be planning expansion wise).
Don't know anything about your school but I'd say that its probably a good idea to do as much as possible at one school like you could get there. ATPL and MCC can wait really (at least until you have your PPL - you never know what your flight school may be planning expansion wise).
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Cheers, am I right in thinking the Class 1 medical has too be done at Gatwick? (been looking at so much info that my mind has gone numb 
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Dont suppose you have a link too a list of things they test do you?
)Dont suppose you have a link too a list of things they test do you?
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(been looking at so much info that my mind has gone numb )
Much snow in Cumbria ? - I'm up there next weekend !
BTW - Agree with the comment about Class 1 and unfortunately it does require a trip down to Gatwick. The first of many many hoops you will endure !!
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well not necessariliy in that order - baring the fact that you you should go for the class 1 straight away. Surely you want to do the hours building before the ME/IR. Or have you accounted for this in your basic agenda you wrote?
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I second Class 1 medical at the outset. Furthermore, I would...
PPL
Night Rating
IMC
ATPLs + Hour Build gradually
Hour build (Alternatively, Hour build after ATPLs)
CPL
FI
IR – I would only consider this after CPL (very expensive shelf life)
MCC
TR
Just my modular schedule - not appropriate for all!
Best of luck
PPL
Night Rating
IMC
ATPLs + Hour Build gradually
Hour build (Alternatively, Hour build after ATPLs)
CPL
FI
IR – I would only consider this after CPL (very expensive shelf life)
MCC
TR
Just my modular schedule - not appropriate for all!
Best of luck
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Again, thanks for the advice everyone.
None what so ever! Was hardly any when the rest of the country got loads the other week.
erm, not 100% sure, does the ME/IR count towards the hour building?
Much snow in Cumbria ? - I'm up there next weekend ! 
Surely you want to do the hours building before the ME/IR. Or have you accounted for this in your basic agenda you wrote?
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waring,
Entry requirements for ME/IR
A Private or Commercial Pilot’s Licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 with a night qualification.
70 hours as pilot-in-command
50 hours PIC cross-country flight time
Hold a valid JAR first class medical certificate.
Passed a course of theoretical instruction as set out in the JAR-FCL
Demonstrated use of English language as set out in the JAR-FCL
my point was when you embark on the ME/IR you want to be fresh out of 100 hours (or whatever from Flight Ex) of non stop flying - first rate flying skills etc. Rather than lets say doing hour building first, then 20 odd weeks of full time ground school.
ME/IR does count towards "hours built" obviously. But my humble opinion is you want to be at your peak when you embark on the ME/IR
Entry requirements for ME/IR
A Private or Commercial Pilot’s Licence issued in accordance with ICAO Annex 1 with a night qualification.
70 hours as pilot-in-command
50 hours PIC cross-country flight time
Hold a valid JAR first class medical certificate.
Passed a course of theoretical instruction as set out in the JAR-FCL
Demonstrated use of English language as set out in the JAR-FCL
my point was when you embark on the ME/IR you want to be fresh out of 100 hours (or whatever from Flight Ex) of non stop flying - first rate flying skills etc. Rather than lets say doing hour building first, then 20 odd weeks of full time ground school.
ME/IR does count towards "hours built" obviously. But my humble opinion is you want to be at your peak when you embark on the ME/IR
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Thanks Mach, might be best to do what your saying.
Just been having a look at the medical site. Also found a link too the colour blindness chart. Do you have too get everyone correct? I got one wrong, the follow the line one, couldnt see it very clearly. The numbers are fine as were a most off the line ones.
Think I will do what they surgest and print off all the requirments and see my doc and optician and see if I am ok. Is there long waiting times at gatwick too get the medical?
Just been having a look at the medical site. Also found a link too the colour blindness chart. Do you have too get everyone correct? I got one wrong, the follow the line one, couldnt see it very clearly. The numbers are fine as were a most off the line ones.
Think I will do what they surgest and print off all the requirments and see my doc and optician and see if I am ok. Is there long waiting times at gatwick too get the medical?
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Hi everyone, I have taken the 1st step...well kinda, got my appointment at gatwick for the class 1 on the 6th of march. If all goes well then its onto the PPL
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Excellent news – right be proactive, encourage yourself to go swimming, possibly a little extra walking or running. Furthermore, I ensured that I consumed a reasonable diet, including Flora pro-active drinks, butter and so on; this will ensure a lower cholesterol reading!
You most probably will not require any of the afore mentioned, nevertheless, it will do you no harm….Best of luck
You most probably will not require any of the afore mentioned, nevertheless, it will do you no harm….Best of luck
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Blackpool, its closer as I live in south cumbria and my friend is also doing his Heli PPL there at the moment so it might be possible to car share if we have near the same times.
I did look at the carlise one but as the FAB does almost everything its appealed too me more.
I did look at the carlise one but as the FAB does almost everything its appealed too me more.
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waring i strongly advise you to visit the flight school you mentioned first and have a good look around (if you have not done so already). I had a look and i was not impressed; although they had fantastic planes the other facilities imo were rubbish.
They currently do not have the authorisation to carry out CPL/IR etc so watch out. Do not pay upfront if you decide to do your ppl and hour building there!
ATPL's you will have to do @ bristol/oxford etc
Some documents of note:
1) CAA Approved list of UKFTOs - have a look!
2) Medical stuff
3) LASORS
I'm in the same boat as you and i start my traninig in April. Currently reading my theoretical ppl books and awaiting for my class 1 medical renewal date to come up with my local AME (always tells me i'm over weight - he will be pleasantly surprised this time
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good luck
They currently do not have the authorisation to carry out CPL/IR etc so watch out. Do not pay upfront if you decide to do your ppl and hour building there!
ATPL's you will have to do @ bristol/oxford etc
Some documents of note:
1) CAA Approved list of UKFTOs - have a look!
2) Medical stuff
3) LASORS
I'm in the same boat as you and i start my traninig in April. Currently reading my theoretical ppl books and awaiting for my class 1 medical renewal date to come up with my local AME (always tells me i'm over weight - he will be pleasantly surprised this time
)good luck
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Can I also recommend that you visit that school first!!
I don't think that you will find any of the facilities to be rubbish though. As someone that has used several training facilities/ FTO's throughout the UK. I honestly beleive theirs to be amongst the top 3 in the UK (the others were not in the North!).
I don't think that you will find any of the facilities to be rubbish though. As someone that has used several training facilities/ FTO's throughout the UK. I honestly beleive theirs to be amongst the top 3 in the UK (the others were not in the North!).
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I honestly beleive theirs to be amongst the top 3 in the UK (the others were not in the North!).
waring good luck but the nearest ones to you are multiflight, tayside, tayflight and they all are superior imo - definetly check out those docs i posted and read the sticky thread ontop of this forum!
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Thanks everyone, have so many conflicting views on the place! 
the reason i thought it might be best is that its:
A) Closest (I live in south cumbria about 10 min from the M6) and I used to do the trip back and forth from Leeds which takes about 1h45.
B) It does more than the PPL which is what the ones in carlise only offer.
But then again I dont know much about flight schools, what things are you meant too look out for when you visit one? Sorry if I sound stupid
the reason i thought it might be best is that its:
A) Closest (I live in south cumbria about 10 min from the M6) and I used to do the trip back and forth from Leeds which takes about 1h45.
B) It does more than the PPL which is what the ones in carlise only offer.
But then again I dont know much about flight schools, what things are you meant too look out for when you visit one? Sorry if I sound stupid
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As I have not actually flown from here on great number of occasions, I feely I would not be eligible to offer a qualified opinion. However, I believe any such individual intending spending such a vast sum to first visit the school – any school. Carefully observe the facilities and aircrafts used, question the instructors, ask why you should opt for them in place of their competitors – make them sell the school to you. Indeed, you are the one purchasing a very expensive experience, so ensure you do not become another statistic, it is important for this experience to feel personalised.
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A) Closest (I live in south cumbria about 10 min from the M6) and I used to do the trip back and forth from Leeds which takes about 1h45.
B) It does more than the PPL which is what the ones in carlise only offer.
B) It does more than the PPL which is what the ones in carlise only offer.
In my opinion, I would refrain from focusing on anything other then the initial ‘Trial Flight’, you never know, flying may not be for you – you certainly wouldn’t be the first.
That said I would concentrate on the PPL first regardless of school, again, in my opinion, Carlisle would be you best option, others may feel differently! Upon completion of the PPL enquire the length and breadth of the United Kingdom. You should not be looking for the closest most convenient, more so, best equipped to furnish you with the skill set needed to become a competent pilot. CPL I always suggest Tayflight (Perth). If you recall, once you have achieved PPL status, you still have a further 6-18 months to complete the ATPL examinations prior to initiating the CPL training.