Anyone starting Cabair integrated in March?
The Wannabe Zombie Army are unstoppable.
Armed with £70,000 debt arrows they refuse to be daunted by any threats of reason, logic, common sense or, even, history. No advice can stop them. No situation can deter them. No argument can penetrate them.
They are relentless in their aim of supporting the foreign owners of Britains Integrated flying schools and their minions.
Nothing will waver them. For they have a dream. A seat in a flightdeck of a Boeing or an Airbus for there be no other worthy.
Hail them.
Pity them.
Do not waste time reasoning with them for it as futile as persuading the snake not to slither. Wannabes are by their nature and their profession unstoppable.
WWW
Armed with £70,000 debt arrows they refuse to be daunted by any threats of reason, logic, common sense or, even, history. No advice can stop them. No situation can deter them. No argument can penetrate them.
They are relentless in their aim of supporting the foreign owners of Britains Integrated flying schools and their minions.
Nothing will waver them. For they have a dream. A seat in a flightdeck of a Boeing or an Airbus for there be no other worthy.
Hail them.
Pity them.
Do not waste time reasoning with them for it as futile as persuading the snake not to slither. Wannabes are by their nature and their profession unstoppable.
WWW
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know of only one airline currently recruiting for the 737, and that's my airline. And I know we prefer the less experienced guys because they tend to stay here longer, as opposed to leaving when the going becomes a little easier to tackle.
You honestly reckon thats why FR prefer 250hr cadets?!
I joined ezy as a 250hr cadet, they wanted me because I was a cheap option for the first six months. FR want you for the same reason mate. Glad you enjoy FR though, a job is a job right now
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Gasp!
Is the voice of realism tiring of his role?
Or is this just a karmic thing?
Thumbs up to you WWW, there aren't many people in your position who'd bother to do what you do on behalf of pilots as yet unbreeched. And in the face of such stick as well....
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Not that I wish to pick any bones with you WWW, but I'm assuming you were never one of these living dead?
I understand that circumstances were different then, what with the self improver route, the discontinuation of, incidentally, I consider to be one of the worst decisions ever made by those in the great nest of UK aviation.
But in saying that, wouldn't you have been tempted? After all, what's perhaps worn off through 9 years of flying was once there as hot as the fire of hell itself. I believe you may be applying your own personal scenario to a completely different era.
As you said, welcome to the new world...
I understand that circumstances were different then, what with the self improver route, the discontinuation of, incidentally, I consider to be one of the worst decisions ever made by those in the great nest of UK aviation.
But in saying that, wouldn't you have been tempted? After all, what's perhaps worn off through 9 years of flying was once there as hot as the fire of hell itself. I believe you may be applying your own personal scenario to a completely different era.
As you said, welcome to the new world...
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At this point I'd like to explode.
I don't have the energy, someone else explain.
WWW
I don't have the energy, someone else explain.
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I hope those 15 cadets aren't reading these posts.
Come on guys, give them at least a little support. And congratulations to the Flybe cadets. Hopefully they won't be in the pool too long after completion.
Come on guys, give them at least a little support. And congratulations to the Flybe cadets. Hopefully they won't be in the pool too long after completion.
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Yeah good luck to all the 15 of them especially the ones who aren't Flybe sponsored. Be ware, Cabairs favouritism of the Flybe guys knows no bounds. In flight school you will be crapped on from a great height and will have to sit in the crew room day after day while they get to do all the flying. Keep hasseling Phil Bell and keep a note of anytime you get a flight taken off you and given to one of the sponsored guys. Happy flying though!
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Pilot Dan,
any loan for the amount you would need for ATPL (circa70K) will always be secured (unless you go to a loan shark and secure it with your life!).
So yes, the guarantor is needed in order to secure the loan - usually parents with a nice semi AND with equity to match loan amount plus a more complex formula to determine the worth of the house during this current economic crisis.
tough times dan
any loan for the amount you would need for ATPL (circa70K) will always be secured (unless you go to a loan shark and secure it with your life!).
So yes, the guarantor is needed in order to secure the loan - usually parents with a nice semi AND with equity to match loan amount plus a more complex formula to determine the worth of the house during this current economic crisis.
tough times dan
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Unfortunately it is true and I am speaking from experience. I watched as sponsored guys who started 2 months behind me then finished 2 months before me, and I wasn't the last to finish out of my class by a long way!
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I have to tell you
It's true.
When you have a contract with so and so like most big schools. You have to prioritize the sponsored etc and give the back seat to the modulars.
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When you have a contract with so and so like most big schools. You have to prioritize the sponsored etc and give the back seat to the modulars.
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Cheers guys 
lol I am 16 and so it is going to be around two years untill i go to do my ATPL. Do you think that if i keep trying for a sponsorship i will get one ??? and if i did would i still have to pay loads out?? 
lol I am 16 and so it is going to be around two years untill i go to do my ATPL. Do you think that if i keep trying for a sponsorship i will get one ??? and if i did would i still have to pay loads out??
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Nice uniform my 
! We were stuck in baby blue at Cabair. Every time you went to tescos or anywhere, people thought you were security!
With regards to waiting for a sponsorship, no one is really going to give you one untill things are definately getting better in the economy in which case you might be just as well self-funding. The problem is that nowadays sponsorships aren't that good. You will still pay for most of your course and when you start working you will be bonded to the airline for up to 5 years on a crap salary.
Having said that if you do manage to get a sponsorship then go for it cos a reduced salary is better than none at all
! We were stuck in baby blue at Cabair. Every time you went to tescos or anywhere, people thought you were security!With regards to waiting for a sponsorship, no one is really going to give you one untill things are definately getting better in the economy in which case you might be just as well self-funding. The problem is that nowadays sponsorships aren't that good. You will still pay for most of your course and when you start working you will be bonded to the airline for up to 5 years on a crap salary.
Having said that if you do manage to get a sponsorship then go for it cos a reduced salary is better than none at all
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Danny Boy,
I went for the Cabair/Flybe in 2007 in order to start in Jan 2008. Fell at the final hurdle
The offer at the time was £60K paid for by yours truly, £18K paid for by Flybe - bonded for 3 years.
So yeah, you still need a lot of money.
In all honestly, unless 50'000 pilots suddenly got the plague (WWW could present us with a graph that it is actually possible), no airline will, especially in the UK, offer the full package like BA used to do.
I went for the Cabair/Flybe in 2007 in order to start in Jan 2008. Fell at the final hurdle
The offer at the time was £60K paid for by yours truly, £18K paid for by Flybe - bonded for 3 years.
So yeah, you still need a lot of money.
In all honestly, unless 50'000 pilots suddenly got the plague (WWW could present us with a graph that it is actually possible
), no airline will, especially in the UK, offer the full package like BA used to do.
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Originally Posted by Beazlebub
So what?
The flying schools are businesses that need to survive. They only do that by selling their products. Those that they employ can only pay their mortgages/rent and other bills if their employer has the income to pay them.
If this chap or his parents are able to raise the funds to pay for this course, then that is their business. If they want to go out and buy a Mercedes SL for the same sum of money, that is equally their business.
Whether this chap or his parents are relying on this course to provide a short term return is something that is incumbent on them to research and decide. The poster isn't asking for an assessment of the market place or more "expert" opinion, he simply wants to know if anyone else is expecting to start on the course he is proposing to join.
The flying schools are businesses that need to survive. They only do that by selling their products. Those that they employ can only pay their mortgages/rent and other bills if their employer has the income to pay them.
If this chap or his parents are able to raise the funds to pay for this course, then that is their business. If they want to go out and buy a Mercedes SL for the same sum of money, that is equally their business.
Whether this chap or his parents are relying on this course to provide a short term return is something that is incumbent on them to research and decide. The poster isn't asking for an assessment of the market place or more "expert" opinion, he simply wants to know if anyone else is expecting to start on the course he is proposing to join.
If we want this economy to get better we must carry on spending. Spending will create jobs and then more output will be supplied in the economy. The above quote typifies this. If we tell this lad to do one and not to spend his money it could mean another unemployed person out there (a Cabair employee). If he wants to begin his training let him, its his choice and I'm sure he's weighed up his options.
I myself am beginning a modular route next month, I'm going to Florida for a PPL and 100 hours. I know its highly unlikely ill get a job any time soon, and its even unlikely I will find a part time job at Morrisons when I begin my ATPLs in June. But now is the right time for me. (I have the funds!) I want to have my qualification as a pilot before I settle down and move in / marry / start a family with my girl friend.
If I were to delay my pilot training there are no highly paid jobs out there at the minute, that wouldn't involve me doing a university degree or some college course which creates more debt, which I could use to fund a marriage/house/family.
That's why I will do it now, whilst I'm young and whilst my girl friend is also learning at uni towards her career.
I know Im going to get the "so why dont you just do a uni degree and go for piloting in 10 years when im settled down" lark. Well I'll reply now. My sister and all her age group are just finishing uni and at the minute I work with about 10 uni graduates, issuing airline tickets for thomas cook, and none of them are managing to find a job/have found a job in there line of degree. Jobs are just as scarce when it comes to uni, so qualified pilots are not much different. So Uni is a no goer on my front!
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Benish,
I like your point. I stare at 6 screens filled with coloured graphs that would have the wee weasley welshman really excited.
I watch in despair that no one is spending! Talk about chicken and the egg.
I like your confidence - you seem relalistic enough to know that you probably won't get a job immediately at the end of it. Providing you have the back up funds to keep your ratings up-to-date then why not! Good luck to you.
Warning.
You-know-who will be here very shortly to rip your post to shreds! (only joking)
I like your point. I stare at 6 screens filled with coloured graphs that would have the wee weasley welshman really excited.
I watch in despair that no one is spending! Talk about chicken and the egg.
I like your confidence - you seem relalistic enough to know that you probably won't get a job immediately at the end of it. Providing you have the back up funds to keep your ratings up-to-date then why not! Good luck to you.
Warning.
You-know-who will be here very shortly to rip your post to shreds! (only joking
)