Pilot Log Book Question!
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Pilot Log Book Question!
Heres a question that just popped up in my head and its really bugging me, so maybe you can answer my question?
If myself (ppl holder) was to hire a small Cessna for a few hours from my local flying club, could my friend (another PPL holder) fly the plane with me, and both me and him log the hours flown.
So me and a friend could split the cost of the hire, lets say pay £120 each for a 2 hour flight and log 2 hours each, which makes hire £60 p/h (which is very cheap!) is this possible?
Stupid question to some but it makes 'hour building' cheaper if you do it this way.
If you are allowed to do this, then are there pilots that look for 'flying buddies' so that pilots can build hours.
If myself (ppl holder) was to hire a small Cessna for a few hours from my local flying club, could my friend (another PPL holder) fly the plane with me, and both me and him log the hours flown.
So me and a friend could split the cost of the hire, lets say pay £120 each for a 2 hour flight and log 2 hours each, which makes hire £60 p/h (which is very cheap!) is this possible?
Stupid question to some but it makes 'hour building' cheaper if you do it this way.
If you are allowed to do this, then are there pilots that look for 'flying buddies' so that pilots can build hours.
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You'll be hiring a single pilot aircraft thus only 1 pilot can log hours.
You could fly 2 hours and log one each but this still leaves your hourly rate at £120ph
If you need to log hours at a cheaper rate (sub £100ph) then I suggest you travel abroad and take advantage of the cheaper flying rates.
You could fly 2 hours and log one each but this still leaves your hourly rate at £120ph
If you need to log hours at a cheaper rate (sub £100ph) then I suggest you travel abroad and take advantage of the cheaper flying rates.
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Naturally, only one pilot can be in command of a single crew aircraft at any one given moment, so gmac has it spot on.
The value to flying with a buddy probably occurs when you both want to practice upper air work/general handling and by flying together you each pay only half the time/cost of getting the aircraft to and back from the place where your practice can take place.
Hope that helps.
The value to flying with a buddy probably occurs when you both want to practice upper air work/general handling and by flying together you each pay only half the time/cost of getting the aircraft to and back from the place where your practice can take place.
Hope that helps.
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Cheers Guys!
Thank for your reply,
Looks like im just going to have to fly the hard way, work all day, pay the bills, keep the girl happy and whats left of it, just spend it on 'hours'.
Thanks to all that replied.
Alex
Looks like im just going to have to fly the hard way, work all day, pay the bills, keep the girl happy and whats left of it, just spend it on 'hours'.
Thanks to all that replied.
Alex
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I didnt know if to start a new thread or not but could anybody shed some light on ''safety pilot'' hours is it accepted in europe because im in the the us and this is the way a lot of places seem to do things for hours building?? thanks in advance!
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which makes hire £60 p/h (which is very cheap!)
I currently pay 65 US Dollars for a Cessna 150, which is including fuel! No landing fees over here either, even if you wanna fly into Chicago O Hare haha
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Reply to Ajec
NO the safety hours are not loggable or accepted in the EU.
The scheme on the FAA is letting people get to CPL quicker with those hours. JAR does not allow this.
Anytime you are P1, you are P1. The other is just a pax or pilot with licence but he is not P1.
If the aircraft is DESIGNED as TWO CREW then one can log p1 and the other p2 is what I would imagine. I have not read the LASORS on this but suggest you have a look at the CAA website.
The whole of LASORS is now downloadable.
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The scheme on the FAA is letting people get to CPL quicker with those hours. JAR does not allow this.
Anytime you are P1, you are P1. The other is just a pax or pilot with licence but he is not P1.
If the aircraft is DESIGNED as TWO CREW then one can log p1 and the other p2 is what I would imagine. I have not read the LASORS on this but suggest you have a look at the CAA website.
The whole of LASORS is now downloadable.
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2 pilots logging hours in a SPA is certainly frowned upon by the CAA.
The US has several differences with regards to logging hours.
On previous visits to the states I've heard of headset cases logging hours
The US has several differences with regards to logging hours.
On previous visits to the states I've heard of headset cases logging hours
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FAA logbook to JAA Logbook
Hi there,
I was just about to ask a question on logging hours,
Just back from the US and have an FAA PPL, so I also have an faa logbook.
I just got a jepp pro jaa logbook and I notice there is a requirement to log time of flight from start to finish. FAA did not require this? Should I just leave it blank?
Any help appreciated!
Ian
I was just about to ask a question on logging hours,
Just back from the US and have an FAA PPL, so I also have an faa logbook.
I just got a jepp pro jaa logbook and I notice there is a requirement to log time of flight from start to finish. FAA did not require this? Should I just leave it blank?
Any help appreciated!
Ian
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Ajec - do a search on Ari Ben. Been done to death over the years the whole issue of safety pilot under the hood and how the JAA and FAA systems differ in logging hours. In summary under JAA you can only log time time in a single pilot aircraft when you are the sole manipulator of the controls.
