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Aerodynamics - Malaga
I'm thinking of enrolling in a ME-IR course at Aerodynamics based at Malaga international airport.
I would appreciate any comments regarding this flight school, good or bad.
Thanks for your comments
Jacques
I would appreciate any comments regarding this flight school, good or bad.
Thanks for your comments
Jacques
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Well im only back a matter of days from an FAA IR conversion that is quoted to take 2 weeks. It took me 1 month!!!
School is very impressive with decent instructors. Sim is good but is based on aerodynamics Jet that they do type rating on and is nothing like the Dutchess or Seneca. All went fine during the sim and then i moved on to the 7 hours flying.
When u do fly it is usually to ferry the aircraft to and from the maintenance field. Or in my case to pick it up from maintenance and then to collect 2 students who were stranded in seville as the dutchess broke. Collected them and guess what?? engine failed in the seneca during run ups. Turned out the Seneca engine was bunched and was out of service indefinatly. No flying for 6 days, then all the seneca pilots were put in the dutchess. Now there were 12 people flying that and it goes down for 50 hr check...
So you can get the jist of it. Had endless meetings with the director of the company telling him I want the extra accomodation and car rental paid for as i had to extend my stay. He says NO. I then asked why he wont lease in an aircraft to clear the backlog, he said its not "Financially Viable" for the company.
I eventually finished after 4 weeks there and had more days of no flying than I did flying. The two aircraft are old and clapped out and forever in maintenance. In short you get what you pay for with them and the school is decent enough but have NO backup plan when things go wrong with the aircraft. I only finished when i did because i ended up screaming at the director of the company and I really had to fight to be put at the top of the list. There are other guys still there sitting in hotel rooms whom i was training with. The seneca is still broken and the dutchess flys so much now its having its 50 & 100 hr checks every few days??
School is very impressive with decent instructors. Sim is good but is based on aerodynamics Jet that they do type rating on and is nothing like the Dutchess or Seneca. All went fine during the sim and then i moved on to the 7 hours flying.
When u do fly it is usually to ferry the aircraft to and from the maintenance field. Or in my case to pick it up from maintenance and then to collect 2 students who were stranded in seville as the dutchess broke. Collected them and guess what?? engine failed in the seneca during run ups. Turned out the Seneca engine was bunched and was out of service indefinatly. No flying for 6 days, then all the seneca pilots were put in the dutchess. Now there were 12 people flying that and it goes down for 50 hr check...
So you can get the jist of it. Had endless meetings with the director of the company telling him I want the extra accomodation and car rental paid for as i had to extend my stay. He says NO. I then asked why he wont lease in an aircraft to clear the backlog, he said its not "Financially Viable" for the company.
I eventually finished after 4 weeks there and had more days of no flying than I did flying. The two aircraft are old and clapped out and forever in maintenance. In short you get what you pay for with them and the school is decent enough but have NO backup plan when things go wrong with the aircraft. I only finished when i did because i ended up screaming at the director of the company and I really had to fight to be put at the top of the list. There are other guys still there sitting in hotel rooms whom i was training with. The seneca is still broken and the dutchess flys so much now its having its 50 & 100 hr checks every few days??
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Sounds exactly like the experience I had there last year.
You know, I think when it comes to tech aircraft, it is something you have to go along with. It's just one of those things. But in Aerodynamics it was different. I can't quite explain, but it was different from anywhere I had been before. This seems to happen quite a lot and when people complain there is a definite air of "so, f**king what". People before me had problems and I have since heard of others who had problems. It just seems to be ongoing and no resolution.
In retrospect, I would have paid the extra cash to do it somewhere in the UK or Ireland.
I'd stay well clear.
You know, I think when it comes to tech aircraft, it is something you have to go along with. It's just one of those things. But in Aerodynamics it was different. I can't quite explain, but it was different from anywhere I had been before. This seems to happen quite a lot and when people complain there is a definite air of "so, f**king what". People before me had problems and I have since heard of others who had problems. It just seems to be ongoing and no resolution.
In retrospect, I would have paid the extra cash to do it somewhere in the UK or Ireland.
I'd stay well clear.
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hey folks,
Just a quick qiestion for those who have been to ADM, can you advise on the costs or ME/IR or IR if holding ME, whichever position you were in. Either way can you comment on the costs (typical) of accomodation and likely expenses.
Cheers,
Sparx007
Just a quick qiestion for those who have been to ADM, can you advise on the costs or ME/IR or IR if holding ME, whichever position you were in. Either way can you comment on the costs (typical) of accomodation and likely expenses.
Cheers,
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I only finished when i did because i ended up screaming at the director of the company
In my experience, the aeroplanes did not seem to suffer significantly more downtime than usual, it's just that they average something like 10 hours a day in the air every day. Just from the 50hr checks you are going to have a day downtime every week. I do agree a third twin would help things enormously, but then again, if the boss says it doesn't make financial sense... he must know better than me.
Sparx &al, there is a long running thread on Aerodynamics, which is referenced at the bottom of this one. You can find all your answers there (I'm surprised they haven't been merged yet).
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When I was there, there was a considerable backlog of students building up and the school were not making any attempts to tell people in advance of their arrival there were problems-which they knew full well about. So, what was happening was 10 already delayed students getting nowhere fast and every few days another few students on to the pile, so to speak.
The situation was quite bad at one point and a lot of people started losing the plot, which was understandable.
I do think there is a certain amount of give and take-sometimes tech problems, weather problems happen..there's nothing you can do about it and you just have to cope with it-but the school did not seem to be able to communicate efficiently with the students about the situation. This just made things a hell of a lot worse.
If the communication had been better, it would have eased the tensions hugely.
We were dealing with a certain young lady in the office, who was not coping with the situation and was making the situation worse. Contact with the director of the company, who was an Englishman, to try and discuss the problems etc...was made and all problems were discussed and to be fair, they did try their best after that point.
I do agree that there is give and take-but when they have your dosh and you are being treated quite badly, then you are well entitled to lose the rag.
Although, the manner in which you control your anger/frustration can either make or break your argument!
My opinion of the school is-
This was a significant problem last year and yes, I think they could be forgiven for that if they had never experienced this problem prior to what happened when I was there.
HOWEVER, it appears from what EIDW 747 is saying-they are experiencing exactly the same problem again (maybe it has even happened between my exerience and EIDW's experience!?) and in that case, that is not excusable.
They had a bad experience and should have organised themselves better, but it has happened again.
On that basis and on the basis of my own experience and the sheer frustration of attending the school, I would not recommend them.
The situation was quite bad at one point and a lot of people started losing the plot, which was understandable.
I do think there is a certain amount of give and take-sometimes tech problems, weather problems happen..there's nothing you can do about it and you just have to cope with it-but the school did not seem to be able to communicate efficiently with the students about the situation. This just made things a hell of a lot worse.
If the communication had been better, it would have eased the tensions hugely.
We were dealing with a certain young lady in the office, who was not coping with the situation and was making the situation worse. Contact with the director of the company, who was an Englishman, to try and discuss the problems etc...was made and all problems were discussed and to be fair, they did try their best after that point.
I do agree that there is give and take-but when they have your dosh and you are being treated quite badly, then you are well entitled to lose the rag.
Although, the manner in which you control your anger/frustration can either make or break your argument!
My opinion of the school is-
This was a significant problem last year and yes, I think they could be forgiven for that if they had never experienced this problem prior to what happened when I was there.
HOWEVER, it appears from what EIDW 747 is saying-they are experiencing exactly the same problem again (maybe it has even happened between my exerience and EIDW's experience!?) and in that case, that is not excusable.
They had a bad experience and should have organised themselves better, but it has happened again.
On that basis and on the basis of my own experience and the sheer frustration of attending the school, I would not recommend them.
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When I was there, there was a considerable backlog of students building up
Personally, I just had a couple days downtime early on which was not a problem since I went in the sim instead, after that everything went as planned. I did like their no-nonsense approach, unlike in the UK where IME they seem to cater for the lowest common denominator (so any monkey who's got the money ends up with a licence sooner or latter). Complaints? Well, I thought one of the instructors was a bit of a tit, but nothing that can't be sorted with a quick honest chat with the person involved.
btw, to my knowledge none of the directors are British. I think the person you refer to is one of the investors? I might be wrong again, though.
Lastly, I don't know, but I've had great experiences everywhere I've trained so far. Maybe I've just been incredibly lucky
Anyway, whichever way you do it, have fun
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I did my full JAA ME/IR with AM last April/May. I can echo some of the comments above, a/c went tech (I flew 3 different twins over the 15 hours) and I didn't manage to complete the course in the timescale quoted.
However this seems fairly common across various flying schools and clubs I have flown with (especially Florida schools i've experienced which are even worse). However to AM credit they are one of the few FTO's who stick to the financial budget quoted. When the a/c was tech for a few days I received extra sim sessions for no extra charge. The IR check was included in the price and covered the entire test no matter how long it lasted. They didn't charge fuel surcharges every time the price of oil fluctuated. They discounted my rent when it passed the quoted timescale.
Overall I was very satisfied with the course considering the price charged. As for the quality of Spanish IR's I find you take out what you put in, you can pass the IR test at a standard below that of some other JAA countries, but with time and effort you can gain the rating and be of an equally high standard of an IR taken with any other JAA state.
A spanish IR has never held me back, I gained it last may, had 2 interviews in july and started RHS in a jet in october 2007.
Hope this helps and good luck
However this seems fairly common across various flying schools and clubs I have flown with (especially Florida schools i've experienced which are even worse). However to AM credit they are one of the few FTO's who stick to the financial budget quoted. When the a/c was tech for a few days I received extra sim sessions for no extra charge. The IR check was included in the price and covered the entire test no matter how long it lasted. They didn't charge fuel surcharges every time the price of oil fluctuated. They discounted my rent when it passed the quoted timescale.
Overall I was very satisfied with the course considering the price charged. As for the quality of Spanish IR's I find you take out what you put in, you can pass the IR test at a standard below that of some other JAA countries, but with time and effort you can gain the rating and be of an equally high standard of an IR taken with any other JAA state.
A spanish IR has never held me back, I gained it last may, had 2 interviews in july and started RHS in a jet in october 2007.
Hope this helps and good luck
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Dear EIDW 747,
I read the forum just today. I wish to thank you again to come to pick me up that day in Seville when the duchess was broken!!!
The school needs absolutely a third or a forth twins... No way to do all the job with only two planes if you plan to fly 7 days a week!!! I heard of a third one coming but is still not there.
Apart from that the school is fine and CAA see very well the file of your training done in Aerodynamics.
I have to say that when I was there I was quite disappointed about few things... now I would say that if I had to choose again I will go for aerodynamics again!
Good luck guys.
I read the forum just today. I wish to thank you again to come to pick me up that day in Seville when the duchess was broken!!!
The school needs absolutely a third or a forth twins... No way to do all the job with only two planes if you plan to fly 7 days a week!!! I heard of a third one coming but is still not there.
Apart from that the school is fine and CAA see very well the file of your training done in Aerodynamics.
I have to say that when I was there I was quite disappointed about few things... now I would say that if I had to choose again I will go for aerodynamics again!
Good luck guys.
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Look guys, you are all forgetting one thing, we all went to Malaga because of the price, anyone that say different is a liar. It was half the price of a UK IR, which was a 7000 pound saving for me, and for 7000 i will put up with a lot of ****! So stop whining, get down to business and get on with you life. Two years from now when you are in the right seat, on short final to land in Malaga, you will see brightly painted twin at the holding point, and laugh!! Good Luck All
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In Malaga now
Just an update on Aero,
yes they are having problems with tech A/C, name a flight school that isnīt!
The Seminol is out of action for weeks.
The Dutchess is flying, not as bad as some would have you believe, having flown in four schools in America I think the Dutchess is a treat to fly!! Goes were you point it and stays there, IĻm more than happy!
A second Dutchess was ferry flighted over from the States last week, not a rumour, I have seen it parked up at Malaga, new engines, new Avionics etc. The only downside is it is waiting for Spainish reg: This could be a few weeks away as the Spanish CAA is far from Germanic!
A third Dutchess is coming from Italy on Sunday, I will confirm that when I have seen it in the metal on the apron.
Itīs an old saying you pay your money and you take your pick. I for one had no choice, could not afford an IR in UK. On the website it does mention it may take longer than shown. Itīs aviation, get used to delays or get ulsers!
yes they are having problems with tech A/C, name a flight school that isnīt!
The Seminol is out of action for weeks.
The Dutchess is flying, not as bad as some would have you believe, having flown in four schools in America I think the Dutchess is a treat to fly!! Goes were you point it and stays there, IĻm more than happy!
A second Dutchess was ferry flighted over from the States last week, not a rumour, I have seen it parked up at Malaga, new engines, new Avionics etc. The only downside is it is waiting for Spainish reg: This could be a few weeks away as the Spanish CAA is far from Germanic!
A third Dutchess is coming from Italy on Sunday, I will confirm that when I have seen it in the metal on the apron.
Itīs an old saying you pay your money and you take your pick. I for one had no choice, could not afford an IR in UK. On the website it does mention it may take longer than shown. Itīs aviation, get used to delays or get ulsers!
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Still on the ground in Malaga!
Spoke to soon, playing The Devils Advocate! Have been sat on the ground in Malaga for a week!
I will try to keep this to facts as emotions are running high. I arrived five weeks ago, met three guys going mad trying to get finished, I thought maybe they where just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Five weeks later, the Seneca is still tech and the Duchess has been down for a week. The other Dutchess is still sat waiting for paperwork two weeks after it arrived.
I am starting to get the feeling those guys werenīt in the wrong place wrong time, its just SOP here!
I will try to keep this to facts as emotions are running high. I arrived five weeks ago, met three guys going mad trying to get finished, I thought maybe they where just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Five weeks later, the Seneca is still tech and the Duchess has been down for a week. The other Dutchess is still sat waiting for paperwork two weeks after it arrived.
I am starting to get the feeling those guys werenīt in the wrong place wrong time, its just SOP here!
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Just in case my post a couple of above dont make sense, its because mason has deleted all his posts...for some reason..
Lead Sparrow, boring sitting around doing nothing aint it, just hope the sun is shinning for you, and the san miguel is chilled!
I touched lucky ADM told me 4 weeks approx for the IR, I was on the 1st easyjet back to UK 28 days later IR in hand, even with around 4 tech days sim and aircraft.
Lead Sparrow, boring sitting around doing nothing aint it, just hope the sun is shinning for you, and the san miguel is chilled!
I touched lucky ADM told me 4 weeks approx for the IR, I was on the 1st easyjet back to UK 28 days later IR in hand, even with around 4 tech days sim and aircraft.
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been at ADM 5 weeks now... was ere for MEP rating and ME/IR. Lost a few days to weather, and total around 2 weeks due to aircraft going tech. Its the same in a lot of flight schools, but paying Ģ7000 for it....... even with delays its worth the saving. Gets a bit depressing doing nothing but saved so much rather than doing it in the UK.
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Accomodation for Aerodynamics
Just to try and help anyone else that comes here....
The flight school have appartments, and if they are full the recommend local hotels. I did a google search and found somewhere for 22 Euros a night. Its a shared house with kitchen, shared bathroom. Very homely and in the old town of Malaga. compared to 35-40 euros at the hotels, if you have to stay longer than expected its not as much of a hassle.
Its situated in the old town of malaga, Number 1 bus (1 euro each way) takes you to the flight school offices (where the sim is). The same bus passes the train station from where you can get a train to the airport (1.70 euro return) when you are on the aircraft.
Saved me 500-600 euros compared to the hotel I planned to stay in in the first 4 weeks.
If interested, its www.malagalodge.com
The rates vary depending on how long you stay
The flight school have appartments, and if they are full the recommend local hotels. I did a google search and found somewhere for 22 Euros a night. Its a shared house with kitchen, shared bathroom. Very homely and in the old town of Malaga. compared to 35-40 euros at the hotels, if you have to stay longer than expected its not as much of a hassle.
Its situated in the old town of malaga, Number 1 bus (1 euro each way) takes you to the flight school offices (where the sim is). The same bus passes the train station from where you can get a train to the airport (1.70 euro return) when you are on the aircraft.
Saved me 500-600 euros compared to the hotel I planned to stay in in the first 4 weeks.
If interested, its www.malagalodge.com
The rates vary depending on how long you stay
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Hello,
there is a nice place close to the school it's a B&B and people there are very nice.
The room are shared mixed room, 5 minutes to walk, the address is 4 calle Jeronimo Bobadilla, Malaga
http://www.vipbackpackers.com/hostel...?HostelID=1108
Hope it helps.
there is a nice place close to the school it's a B&B and people there are very nice.
The room are shared mixed room, 5 minutes to walk, the address is 4 calle Jeronimo Bobadilla, Malaga
http://www.vipbackpackers.com/hostel...?HostelID=1108
Hope it helps.
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hey
anyone going to AD in July? I am thinking of booking my course. Just called them and they have 2 Duchess working now, and the Seneca is ready soon. If anyone is there right now can you please comment on this?
anyone going to AD in July? I am thinking of booking my course. Just called them and they have 2 Duchess working now, and the Seneca is ready soon. If anyone is there right now can you please comment on this?
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Now in all fairness, I didnt start jumping up and down like a schoolgirl ... All I ment was that if you didnt make yourself known, they were happy to leave you without any Info. You didnt even get a call as to when you were next flying or an update on the tech issue if you didnt kick up a bit. And I have experiance with flight schools in the U.S and europe and if you dont speak up, you will be told nothing.
To be fair the point was made that we all went there for the weather and cheap training and that is a valid point? As stated in my first post, if the tech problem hadnt been an Issue, the school was 100%. The cost quoted was the cost I paid (a new plesant experiance after being in florida for most of my training), The School itself is a nice setup with very good instructors both in the school and a/c.
My biggest problem fell with the only 2 twins they had going tech and them having no backup plan. Now if its true that they are building the fleet up to 4 twins, I think tech delays will be few and far between and the school will be very good. My problem was down to timing ... Im sure if I had have gone there when there were no tech issues, I would have gone home with my conversion done after 2 weeks!!
Would I go there again if god forbid I have to renew my IR next year?? If they still only had the same 2 twins? No. If they increased the fleet?? Id go back without hesitation.
Now in all fairness, I didnt start jumping up and down like a schoolgirl ... All I ment was that if you didnt make yourself known, they were happy to leave you without any Info. You didnt even get a call as to when you were next flying or an update on the tech issue if you didnt kick up a bit. And I have experiance with flight schools in the U.S and europe and if you dont speak up, you will be told nothing.
To be fair the point was made that we all went there for the weather and cheap training and that is a valid point? As stated in my first post, if the tech problem hadnt been an Issue, the school was 100%. The cost quoted was the cost I paid (a new plesant experiance after being in florida for most of my training), The School itself is a nice setup with very good instructors both in the school and a/c.
My biggest problem fell with the only 2 twins they had going tech and them having no backup plan. Now if its true that they are building the fleet up to 4 twins, I think tech delays will be few and far between and the school will be very good. My problem was down to timing ... Im sure if I had have gone there when there were no tech issues, I would have gone home with my conversion done after 2 weeks!!
Would I go there again if god forbid I have to renew my IR next year?? If they still only had the same 2 twins? No. If they increased the fleet?? Id go back without hesitation.
