Am I going about this the right way?
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Am I going about this the right way?
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After years of sitting gazing at aircraft and peering into the flight deck (Currently cabin crew in UK) I have booked myself a trial lesson to see if I think I'm going to like flying before I commit to a PPL course. Now, I've spent many a late night on net researching as much as possible and going though endless pilot magazines looking for PL courses.
Ideally, I'm kind of aiming to do a frozen ATPL, for when I’m about 30 (24 now) so giving myself a few years to do it for funding etc.
Initially I was going to do a PPL in Florida and then aim to do ATPL theory by distance learning as I wouldn’t be able to attend a full time course just now. I’ve also just signed up to re do my GCSE is Maths and Physics as I didn’t do well in school first time round, I re sit these in the summer and then in Sept I will be enrolling on A level courses in Maths and Mechanics & Physics.
So, basically... am I going about it the right way? PPL in Florida, then keeping my hours up over here while I do theory ATPL before doing that in the states also, or should I maybe go back to the US sooner to do add on's like my IR, Night rating and CPL so I can instruct over here, building my hours and making a bit of cash towards my ATPL?
I know there are various ways around it, I’m not looking for the cheapest, I want to learn but I don’t want to make a hash of it, I’d rather pay a bit more and do it a bit more slow and steady.
Anyone got any advice? Any hints or tips? Any info at all is appreciated either by posting or by PM
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After years of sitting gazing at aircraft and peering into the flight deck (Currently cabin crew in UK) I have booked myself a trial lesson to see if I think I'm going to like flying before I commit to a PPL course. Now, I've spent many a late night on net researching as much as possible and going though endless pilot magazines looking for PL courses.
Ideally, I'm kind of aiming to do a frozen ATPL, for when I’m about 30 (24 now) so giving myself a few years to do it for funding etc.
Initially I was going to do a PPL in Florida and then aim to do ATPL theory by distance learning as I wouldn’t be able to attend a full time course just now. I’ve also just signed up to re do my GCSE is Maths and Physics as I didn’t do well in school first time round, I re sit these in the summer and then in Sept I will be enrolling on A level courses in Maths and Mechanics & Physics.
So, basically... am I going about it the right way? PPL in Florida, then keeping my hours up over here while I do theory ATPL before doing that in the states also, or should I maybe go back to the US sooner to do add on's like my IR, Night rating and CPL so I can instruct over here, building my hours and making a bit of cash towards my ATPL?
I know there are various ways around it, I’m not looking for the cheapest, I want to learn but I don’t want to make a hash of it, I’d rather pay a bit more and do it a bit more slow and steady.
Anyone got any advice? Any hints or tips? Any info at all is appreciated either by posting or by PM
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, but do you need maths and physics A-Levels?
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Do what you need ........only!
First forget the GCSE Maths & Physics............ You have bigger fish to fry!
There is nothing particularly hard about the ATPL exams the problem is volume so cluttering your head with GCSE's in not needed.
Training in the USA is not as cheap as you might think, by the time airline tickets, medical insurance, accomodation and car hire are taken into account the price creeps up.
The big problem is that training in Florida won't equipe you to fly in europe so I would guess that you would need 5-10 hours training in the UK before anyone will rent you an aircraft, this of course needs to be included in the Florida PPL price to make a realistic costing. Only then can you decide if it is cheaper in the USA.
Once you have the PPL I can help you with hours building at a total cost that is the same as the USA ( and sometimes cheaper) but with less risk being out of pocket at the end of the deal.
There is nothing particularly hard about the ATPL exams the problem is volume so cluttering your head with GCSE's in not needed.
Training in the USA is not as cheap as you might think, by the time airline tickets, medical insurance, accomodation and car hire are taken into account the price creeps up.
The big problem is that training in Florida won't equipe you to fly in europe so I would guess that you would need 5-10 hours training in the UK before anyone will rent you an aircraft, this of course needs to be included in the Florida PPL price to make a realistic costing. Only then can you decide if it is cheaper in the USA.
Once you have the PPL I can help you with hours building at a total cost that is the same as the USA ( and sometimes cheaper) but with less risk being out of pocket at the end of the deal.
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Thanks for your reply, I didn't realise I was been graded on my English skills, after all this is just an internet forum isn't it?
But that said, post has been edited.
So, flying in Florida is not an option then? I was thinking about starting ATPL theory soon, does anyone know of any ground school that will let you pay as you go, one module at a time. Although paying for the ATPL course (theory) is not a problem, if I can stagger it, it means I can afford to take more flying lessons.
Thanks for your reply, I didn't realise I was been graded on my English skills, after all this is just an internet forum isn't it?
But that said, post has been edited.
So, flying in Florida is not an option then? I was thinking about starting ATPL theory soon, does anyone know of any ground school that will let you pay as you go, one module at a time. Although paying for the ATPL course (theory) is not a problem, if I can stagger it, it means I can afford to take more flying lessons.
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Chanex101,
Sounds like you know what you want. But it is a long road until that first job, believe me.
There are many ways of doing this. going to the US is an option, but as others have already said, it can be expensive when you have added all the little bits on, living, airline tickets etc. I would however recommend doing your hour building over there. I did 60 hours over in Arizona, and it was the best 3 weeks flying I have ever done.
My advice to you....get your PPL over here. Spend that little bit more to do it in the UK, because it will be benificial to you. Cut you teeth with a bit of PPL flying whilst saving a bit of money, then start looking at ATPL groundschool. Oxford Waypoint, Bristol....no doubt there will be a thread elsewhere on this site regarding GS.
I would seriously think about hour building in the states. If you want any contact details, PM me and I will sort you out with a good website for flying.
Once you've got the 150 hours you can start the CPL training. Once again, think about Oxford Waypoint - if you hour build in the US, then you will go straight to Phoenix to do the CPL/ME with them there.
Also Bristol Flying Centre are getting a good rep, and rightly so.
All in all, work hard, focus and never give in. Anyone can do this ATPL if they put their mind to it. I am living proof of this.
Hope this helps.
LL Snowman.
Sounds like you know what you want. But it is a long road until that first job, believe me.
There are many ways of doing this. going to the US is an option, but as others have already said, it can be expensive when you have added all the little bits on, living, airline tickets etc. I would however recommend doing your hour building over there. I did 60 hours over in Arizona, and it was the best 3 weeks flying I have ever done.
My advice to you....get your PPL over here. Spend that little bit more to do it in the UK, because it will be benificial to you. Cut you teeth with a bit of PPL flying whilst saving a bit of money, then start looking at ATPL groundschool. Oxford Waypoint, Bristol....no doubt there will be a thread elsewhere on this site regarding GS.
I would seriously think about hour building in the states. If you want any contact details, PM me and I will sort you out with a good website for flying.
Once you've got the 150 hours you can start the CPL training. Once again, think about Oxford Waypoint - if you hour build in the US, then you will go straight to Phoenix to do the CPL/ME with them there.
Also Bristol Flying Centre are getting a good rep, and rightly so.
All in all, work hard, focus and never give in. Anyone can do this ATPL if they put their mind to it. I am living proof of this.
Hope this helps.
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So, flying in Florida is not an option then?
Nobody said that.
You need to add up the Pros and Cons, if you want a job in the EU/UK then a JAA is needed so if you add both the FAA CPL and FAA IR and then the cost of conversion you may end up with the same price for doing the full JAA CPL/IR here.
It has been said that airlines prefer pilots who did their training with a UK FTO in UK airspace but this is a rumour network.
If you decide to go to the US you might want to take loss of earnings into consideration. You'll spend around 3 months doing your FAA CPL/IR in the US and then you need a test for the CPL and a min of 15hrs for the IR and the test.
Do the sums and take the option that is best for you. Seeing the FAA CPL/IR at $10,000 each isn't always the price you pay.
I have also seen the prices that 'A & C' charges for AC rental and it's very very competitive compared to the US rates. Keep in mind you can take your friends and family for a flight if you do your hour building here as in the US you're on your own.
I did my CPL in Florida and converted an FAA IR to JAR. Hasn't done any harm whatsoever.
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Hello all
Just to say that to fly a jet you do not have a spell, there and captions out there who have dyslexia and can not spell to well, but they seam to be in a lot better place then some people on the site. don’t pay any attention to bluenose8huskys. You can make it with or with out your small spelling mishaps.
Best of luck.
Just to say that to fly a jet you do not have a spell, there and captions out there who have dyslexia and can not spell to well, but they seam to be in a lot better place then some people on the site. don’t pay any attention to bluenose8huskys. You can make it with or with out your small spelling mishaps.
Best of luck.
You don't have to be able to spell to fly a jet but you do have to get your application form through the recruitment process. If you can't be bothered to spell correctly you might not bother to check the tech log correctly or read your flt crew manual. Poorly presented application forms are the first ones to go in the bin!
ps I realise that this is just a bulletin board but it always pays to train the way you intend to fight :-)
ps I realise that this is just a bulletin board but it always pays to train the way you intend to fight :-)
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Is any of this English tomfoolery actually relevant to the original question?
If Bluenose81huskys wants to start correcting people perhaps it might be an idea to think about not finishing a sentence with a preposition.
If Bluenose81huskys wants to start correcting people perhaps it might be an idea to think about not finishing a sentence with a preposition.
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I don't write like that all the time lol it is the internet for god sake!
I didn't have a problem when I received grade A in GCSE English language and Lit, nor in my A level (Which I also passed with a B).
Thanks to the people who actually replied to my topic, I was under the impression if you did a JAA PPL or ATPL in the states you didn't need to do anything over here, as its a European licence, and the school I am looking at has ties with Cabair in the UK, correct me if I am wrong though.
An FAA licence would mean I could only fly in the US right? however if the fligh school I attend in Florida offers me a JAA licence that is ok for the UK isn't it?
I didn't have a problem when I received grade A in GCSE English language and Lit, nor in my A level (Which I also passed with a B).
Thanks to the people who actually replied to my topic, I was under the impression if you did a JAA PPL or ATPL in the states you didn't need to do anything over here, as its a European licence, and the school I am looking at has ties with Cabair in the UK, correct me if I am wrong though.
An FAA licence would mean I could only fly in the US right? however if the fligh school I attend in Florida offers me a JAA licence that is ok for the UK isn't it?
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I was under the impression if you did a JAA PPL or ATPL in the states you didn't need to do anything over here, as its a European licence, and the school I am looking at has ties with Cabair in the UK, correct me if I am wrong though.
You can sit the ATPL exams in the states too (distance learning or classroom) but there is more to the ATPL than a PPL and 14 exams. I am sure you're aware you'll need the CPL and IR too, meaning if you WILL have to come back to do the JAA IR.
I think you might get a discount if you train PPL > CPL at OFT and then convert you FAA IR at Cabair though.
An FAA licence would mean I could only fly in the US right? however if the fligh school I attend in Florida offers me a JAA licence that is ok for the UK isn't it?
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You don't need the JAR PPL. The FAA one is valid in the U.K., can be used as the basis for upgrading to a JAR CPL and will save you the hassle of conversion if you want to hour-build in the United States. You can fly as soon as you pass the test, unlike in the U.K., and they don't charge in excess of £150 to issue it. It is also much easier to revalidate.
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channex 101, I wasn't being funny or anything but like ham fisted
mentioned if you don't get your application form correct it will be binned upon viewing the first f*** up!
When your sitting within the presence of a board on your final interview for an airline there would be no waffling to them about getting out of your spelling mistakes because you would not be there in the first place.
I was in other words correcting you and no i am not on here correcting peoples spelling mistakes writing the english dictionary out for them.
At least in future now when you do fill in an application then you will think twice and remember that bluenose t**t on PPRUNE
All the best with what you want to do in future!
mentioned if you don't get your application form correct it will be binned upon viewing the first f*** up!
When your sitting within the presence of a board on your final interview for an airline there would be no waffling to them about getting out of your spelling mistakes because you would not be there in the first place.
I was in other words correcting you and no i am not on here correcting peoples spelling mistakes writing the english dictionary out for them.
At least in future now when you do fill in an application then you will think twice and remember that bluenose t**t on PPRUNE
All the best with what you want to do in future!
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FOK, Now Now lets not get bitchy about this!
For telling someone of their spelling mistake in a corrective way
has lead to this bitching!
For telling someone of their spelling mistake in a corrective way
has lead to this bitching!
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Edited to remove my polite, if slightly condescending grammar lesson now that someone else has found their courtesy switch.
Cheers
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PS - if anyone has any doubts about their use of English, please feel free to run it past me first!!!!!
Cheers
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PS - if anyone has any doubts about their use of English, please feel free to run it past me first!!!!!
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