I feel the need to change my career...
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I feel the need to change my career...
Okay, first of all I apologise, as the amount of posts that appear on here of a similar nature I appreciate is numerous.
I am seriously considering making a change, hopefully for the better. Unlike some I really enjoy what I do at present, but can I see myself here 20 years down the road, that's something I cannot honestly answer right now.
I've wanted for sometime to achieve my PPL rating, but due to financial issues have been unable to reach my goal, in fact, I can honestly say I have never took a lesson, aside from taking the controls on two seperate occasions when flying with colleagues, well keeping the plane flying in a straight line.
I plan to take my Class 1 medical later this month and thereafter possibly an aptitude test before I commit further.
I want to take this all the way to become a pilot of a passenger jet, however to do so I have to go all in. I can probably get the funds to finance a residential overseas course in the states (JAA) and see me through the year, but I'm 34 years of age and I won't be able to start until I'm 35, except I should be able to commence ground school much earlier (subject to passing the medical and aptitude test of course). It will probably mean liquidating all my assets to do so. I'm single with no children, so my responsibilities are rather low, but my conviction is 100%.
I suffer from heredity hypertension (high blood Pressure), for which I take medication and have no symptoms. I only found out I even had it after a routine company medical.
I know it's a gamble, but I don't want to look back 10 years from now and think 'if only...'
Any advice would be really appreciated, am I just suffering from a severe midlife crisis or with dedication and commitment do I have a chance given that I've left it rather late in life and there are a lot more younger people out there with college degrees and the like?
Thanks for your time and replies...
I am seriously considering making a change, hopefully for the better. Unlike some I really enjoy what I do at present, but can I see myself here 20 years down the road, that's something I cannot honestly answer right now.
I've wanted for sometime to achieve my PPL rating, but due to financial issues have been unable to reach my goal, in fact, I can honestly say I have never took a lesson, aside from taking the controls on two seperate occasions when flying with colleagues, well keeping the plane flying in a straight line.
I plan to take my Class 1 medical later this month and thereafter possibly an aptitude test before I commit further.
I want to take this all the way to become a pilot of a passenger jet, however to do so I have to go all in. I can probably get the funds to finance a residential overseas course in the states (JAA) and see me through the year, but I'm 34 years of age and I won't be able to start until I'm 35, except I should be able to commence ground school much earlier (subject to passing the medical and aptitude test of course). It will probably mean liquidating all my assets to do so. I'm single with no children, so my responsibilities are rather low, but my conviction is 100%.
I suffer from heredity hypertension (high blood Pressure), for which I take medication and have no symptoms. I only found out I even had it after a routine company medical.
I know it's a gamble, but I don't want to look back 10 years from now and think 'if only...'
Any advice would be really appreciated, am I just suffering from a severe midlife crisis or with dedication and commitment do I have a chance given that I've left it rather late in life and there are a lot more younger people out there with college degrees and the like?
Thanks for your time and replies...
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There are a few people who are in their mid 30's starting their 0-fATPL.
I can see what you mean about the risks too, but if you read the threads we are all in the same position. Too old / Too tall / Too short / No Degree / No A levels / No money / No time ... the list in endless.
I have read threads on here of people in their mid 40's getting jobs and some airlines prefer an 'older' pilot as they'll stand a better chance of keeping that pilot until he/she is 65.
My advise is do it (so long as you can live with yourself if you didn't make it as a pilot after spening £40k+ on training). But I'm still saving for my flight training as well as trying to climb higher in computer programming to get more money. It's boring and I want an office 35,000 ft in the air
I can see what you mean about the risks too, but if you read the threads we are all in the same position. Too old / Too tall / Too short / No Degree / No A levels / No money / No time ... the list in endless.
I have read threads on here of people in their mid 40's getting jobs and some airlines prefer an 'older' pilot as they'll stand a better chance of keeping that pilot until he/she is 65.
My advise is do it (so long as you can live with yourself if you didn't make it as a pilot after spening £40k+ on training). But I'm still saving for my flight training as well as trying to climb higher in computer programming to get more money. It's boring and I want an office 35,000 ft in the air
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My only strong advice to you is get your class 1 and some seriously good advice from the aviation medical specialists before you spend a single penny on anything else.
They are very fussy about high blood pressure. Even if they gave you a class 1 now, that's no use if they take it off you again in 5 or 10 years because your condition got slightly worse and went outside their limits.
They are very fussy about high blood pressure. Even if they gave you a class 1 now, that's no use if they take it off you again in 5 or 10 years because your condition got slightly worse and went outside their limits.
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hi flyer,
do'nt want to throw cold water on your idea but i think you need to think carefully about this proposed career change...between starting late and as luke says...starting with high blood pressure even before you get going..????
all that aside, if you told us you had a PPL already and loved flying i could understand you reason to advance your passion to a living...but you do'nt even know really if you would like flying ....
sorry but if it was me ( and i say this after flying 35 years and instructing for many ) i would'nt embark on what you propose to do. some will tell you thats cold water, to go for it but they're not shelling out the kind of money that you would be...sorry thats realism.
if you had more time, i would say get a PPL and see if you like flying...but time is not on your side to do this..the rest is a dream, a nice dream but a dream none the less.
get some lessons and see if you like flying...then get a PPL and live part of your ambition....you never know you might be just as well pleased with that much and save some of your hard earned cash on the way..
which or whether...good luck in your choice...
the dean.
do'nt want to throw cold water on your idea but i think you need to think carefully about this proposed career change...between starting late and as luke says...starting with high blood pressure even before you get going..????
all that aside, if you told us you had a PPL already and loved flying i could understand you reason to advance your passion to a living...but you do'nt even know really if you would like flying ....
sorry but if it was me ( and i say this after flying 35 years and instructing for many ) i would'nt embark on what you propose to do. some will tell you thats cold water, to go for it but they're not shelling out the kind of money that you would be...sorry thats realism.
if you had more time, i would say get a PPL and see if you like flying...but time is not on your side to do this..the rest is a dream, a nice dream but a dream none the less.
get some lessons and see if you like flying...then get a PPL and live part of your ambition....you never know you might be just as well pleased with that much and save some of your hard earned cash on the way..
which or whether...good luck in your choice...
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Some good advice so far!
The Class 1 Medical clearance is vital though it's kind of a catch 22 as you won't actually need a Class 1 until you move beyond basic training BUT it's essential to know that you're going to pass it before spending anything on professional level training. I would be totally honest with the med team doing the tests and ask them to test specifically for your condition... it would be heartbreaking (s'cuse the pun), to pass a Class 1 now and find out 3 years or so later that the condition you have is degenerative and that you've spent all that dosh for nowt.
Anyone know anything about Aptitude tests?
Good luck mate... in the meantime, keep rockin' on the prarie!
Some good advice so far!
The Class 1 Medical clearance is vital though it's kind of a catch 22 as you won't actually need a Class 1 until you move beyond basic training BUT it's essential to know that you're going to pass it before spending anything on professional level training. I would be totally honest with the med team doing the tests and ask them to test specifically for your condition... it would be heartbreaking (s'cuse the pun), to pass a Class 1 now and find out 3 years or so later that the condition you have is degenerative and that you've spent all that dosh for nowt.
Anyone know anything about Aptitude tests?
Good luck mate... in the meantime, keep rockin' on the prarie!
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The first thing I would say is that it is never too late to change your career. It all depends upon whether you thrive on risk or not as it is a huge risk - I am 37 on Sunday and about to embark from scratch down the modular route.
To minimise the risk you should get your Class1 and be thoroughly researched and prepared. There are many careers out there where you will train vocationally and find there are no bloomin jobs at the end of it eg Radiographer, Physiotherapist, Surveyor, Doctor - the difference here is that you have to pay for your training.
A recently qualified radiographer, for instance, is going up against 150 people everytime she applies for a job - now that is tough.
If you are fit for it, can afford it and want it..then go for it.
If you are not 100% sure then run for the hills.
To minimise the risk you should get your Class1 and be thoroughly researched and prepared. There are many careers out there where you will train vocationally and find there are no bloomin jobs at the end of it eg Radiographer, Physiotherapist, Surveyor, Doctor - the difference here is that you have to pay for your training.
A recently qualified radiographer, for instance, is going up against 150 people everytime she applies for a job - now that is tough.
If you are fit for it, can afford it and want it..then go for it.
If you are not 100% sure then run for the hills.
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Hi there,
I thought 25 was too old and now I see there are some people way older than that with no flying experience.
I don`t see why an airline wouldn`t want to employ someone just because of his/her age, I think there are more important things to look for in a candidate.
I have a class 1 medical and I have never had any health problems so I don`t really know what it`s like, but I know high blood pressure can be reduced back to normal if you change your diet for example. I think you sholud talk to a cardiologist or should try to meet some currently flying airline pilots with the same condition, although it is not treated the same way when you have hundreds of flight hours behind you and when it is your first class 1 medical check up. Be careful about it, it is a big amount of money to gamble.
I could have gone to a flight school when I was 19, but I didn`t want to do it, I wanted a degree so I can have something to fall back on if I lose my class 1 medical. I am a woman and a female pilot is a rare species where I live, so I need to plan it very well. I will be almost 25 when I start flying and I only hope I won`t be told I am too old. Do you know anyone who has been told this?
Midlife flyer I am sorry I used your topic to ask questions, I hope you don`t mind and as for your flying I wish you all the best.
I thought 25 was too old and now I see there are some people way older than that with no flying experience.
I don`t see why an airline wouldn`t want to employ someone just because of his/her age, I think there are more important things to look for in a candidate.
I have a class 1 medical and I have never had any health problems so I don`t really know what it`s like, but I know high blood pressure can be reduced back to normal if you change your diet for example. I think you sholud talk to a cardiologist or should try to meet some currently flying airline pilots with the same condition, although it is not treated the same way when you have hundreds of flight hours behind you and when it is your first class 1 medical check up. Be careful about it, it is a big amount of money to gamble.
I could have gone to a flight school when I was 19, but I didn`t want to do it, I wanted a degree so I can have something to fall back on if I lose my class 1 medical. I am a woman and a female pilot is a rare species where I live, so I need to plan it very well. I will be almost 25 when I start flying and I only hope I won`t be told I am too old. Do you know anyone who has been told this?
Midlife flyer I am sorry I used your topic to ask questions, I hope you don`t mind and as for your flying I wish you all the best.
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25 is definately not too old to start, infact I would say its probably the perfect age to start. You've had a few years of life experience before starting. Just make sure you qualify before the age of 30, even then I know many people who are in their 30's and 40's who get jobs without many problems.
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If you can afford time and money and you definately want this, then check out sponsorships and or maybe an integrated course somewhere.
The market is great at the moment and oppertunities rise everywhere.
You do have to consider working outside your country, but it's always a question of supply and demand.
Good luck with your decision
The market is great at the moment and oppertunities rise everywhere.
You do have to consider working outside your country, but it's always a question of supply and demand.
Good luck with your decision
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I thought 25 was too old
... I won't have the funds for my trainig until another 18/24 months and then it'll take 12/18 months to qualify.I guess I'll be 29 when I qualify with a fATPL and a good few hundred hours on my log (from working as an FI). I'm just hoping there will be a market for a 29/30 year old FO with Zero Jet time and no TR in the year 2010.
... failing that it's back to the old job (web development) and save for a £20k TR. 
Midlife Flyer - Your age is probably not an issue but the Medical is your pitfall. But then it could happen to any of us.
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Lots to think about, however I think I've made up my mind, but any further advice is really appreciated.
It all hinges on the medical, I'm going to have a medical locally here in Canada and then (if/when I pass that!) I'm going to go home to the UK and have another there (I plan to put all my cards on the table and hide nothing) and hope to also undertake the aptitude testing. Any contacts?
As I mentioned before, a life of regrets is not worth living, sometimes you just have to take a chance.
Thanks for all your help.
It all hinges on the medical, I'm going to have a medical locally here in Canada and then (if/when I pass that!) I'm going to go home to the UK and have another there (I plan to put all my cards on the table and hide nothing) and hope to also undertake the aptitude testing. Any contacts?
As I mentioned before, a life of regrets is not worth living, sometimes you just have to take a chance.
Thanks for all your help.
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Why does it have to be a 'chance'? It only has to be risky if you dive into it without planning. Of course you'll need a gameplan to get into the training but that's really only half of the argument because at this point most wannabes find themselves in a pickle due to the fact that they don't have an exit plan or strategy, that's where it goes wrong.
If you can plan for both outcomes you should like any other prospector/investor in life be able to minimise the risk to yourself. However people only think about the cool and exciting parts of a plan without affording due consideration for the safety net around it. Prudent planning would dictate otherwise.
Getting into flight training is no different from an individual/couple saving and perhaps borrowing all manner of funds to start up their own company. Alot of wannabes here on pprune think they're in some exclusive situation but that's probably due to their lack of life experience (not meant in a bad way peeps). There are all manner of instances throughout society where people are having to consider quite seriously whether to take that plunge or not.
Good luck with that medical and even if it doesn't work out first time round then ask to see what can be done to rectify it. Blood pressure is something that you can overcome, might be a long road but hey you'll get there.
take it easy dude, be cool .....
If you can plan for both outcomes you should like any other prospector/investor in life be able to minimise the risk to yourself. However people only think about the cool and exciting parts of a plan without affording due consideration for the safety net around it. Prudent planning would dictate otherwise.
Getting into flight training is no different from an individual/couple saving and perhaps borrowing all manner of funds to start up their own company. Alot of wannabes here on pprune think they're in some exclusive situation but that's probably due to their lack of life experience (not meant in a bad way peeps). There are all manner of instances throughout society where people are having to consider quite seriously whether to take that plunge or not.
Good luck with that medical and even if it doesn't work out first time round then ask to see what can be done to rectify it. Blood pressure is something that you can overcome, might be a long road but hey you'll get there.
take it easy dude, be cool .....
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Midlife Flyer.
The Canadian equivalent to a Class 1 is known as a Category 1 medical. Compared to the initial medical in the UK, in Canada it's all very straight forward and they test no way near the amount of stuff they do over here in the UK. Point is, just cos you pass it in Canada doesn't necessarily mean you will pass it in the UK. Also, your first, or initial Class 1 has to be done at the CAA HQ in Gatwick. However, if you already have a Cat 1 from Canada you can get an Abbreviated Initial, which costs less. Ironically some of the stuff they skip in the medical isn't tested in Canada e.g. reaction to strobe lighting ! Coincidentally, BP became an issue during my initial at Gatwick and although they issued me a Class 1 I had to provide further readings via my doctor over the following weeks/ months, all of which were fine and closed the matter !
I think I was about your age when I started to think about a CPL in Canada. However, I already had a PPL and about 100+ hours of flying !!
Good luck anyways !
CG.
The Canadian equivalent to a Class 1 is known as a Category 1 medical. Compared to the initial medical in the UK, in Canada it's all very straight forward and they test no way near the amount of stuff they do over here in the UK. Point is, just cos you pass it in Canada doesn't necessarily mean you will pass it in the UK. Also, your first, or initial Class 1 has to be done at the CAA HQ in Gatwick. However, if you already have a Cat 1 from Canada you can get an Abbreviated Initial, which costs less. Ironically some of the stuff they skip in the medical isn't tested in Canada e.g. reaction to strobe lighting ! Coincidentally, BP became an issue during my initial at Gatwick and although they issued me a Class 1 I had to provide further readings via my doctor over the following weeks/ months, all of which were fine and closed the matter !
I think I was about your age when I started to think about a CPL in Canada. However, I already had a PPL and about 100+ hours of flying !!
Good luck anyways !
CG.
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Midlife flyer,
You've been given good advice re: the medical and I'd just like to add a couple of thoughts. If I were you I would take an intensive 1 month PPL in the USA or Africa to make sure you enjoy flying. Then try and choose a course that means you have only trained in one place which is something the airlines seem to like. I'm now 38 and just got my first airline job with Flybe - I was the last one from my course to get a job (all the rest were younger) so you have to try and make yourself as attractive as possible to offset the disadvantages of age!
I was about your age when I started though and am really pleased I did it. It's an amazing job and worth every hour of study and every pound of sacrifice. I can honestly say that it's every bit as enjoyable as I always hoped it would be.
One other thing - I think it's quite important that you do have a back-up plan in case you don't get a job immediately. I was in IT so my back-up plan involved working as a freelance in IT - I ended up doing that for over a year before a flying job came along - if you have something to fall back on it will be a big help.
Good luck - and no you're not too old!
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You've been given good advice re: the medical and I'd just like to add a couple of thoughts. If I were you I would take an intensive 1 month PPL in the USA or Africa to make sure you enjoy flying. Then try and choose a course that means you have only trained in one place which is something the airlines seem to like. I'm now 38 and just got my first airline job with Flybe - I was the last one from my course to get a job (all the rest were younger) so you have to try and make yourself as attractive as possible to offset the disadvantages of age!
I was about your age when I started though and am really pleased I did it. It's an amazing job and worth every hour of study and every pound of sacrifice. I can honestly say that it's every bit as enjoyable as I always hoped it would be.
One other thing - I think it's quite important that you do have a back-up plan in case you don't get a job immediately. I was in IT so my back-up plan involved working as a freelance in IT - I ended up doing that for over a year before a flying job came along - if you have something to fall back on it will be a big help.
Good luck - and no you're not too old!
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Midlife flyer,
I see you live in Canada, but are talking about JAA training?? Do you want to live and work in Europe?? Do you have rights to work in Europe?? I don't want to be negative but in EU land we "generally" envy you over the pond.
All I say about your age and everything else is - GO FOR IT. If you can really make the descission that this is your way forward in life, then that is THE way it has to be. By entering professional aviation you will be tested and tested again until the day you retire, so its a case of planning and learning and that will never stop, but remember - that IS the way you planned it!!
There are plenty of other posts about medical issues, but remember in JAA land we are totaly different to otherwise more enlightened countries such as yourself and you will need to travel to Europe for an Initial Class 1 medical. If you want a JAA licence then please don't do any thing until you have your medical in hand. Contact our CAA www.caa.co.uk for details. Also there are 14 written exams that take about a year distance learning of 15 hours a week to get (if you are lucky) or 750 hours of classroom. Also with the written exams, I think they can only be taken in Europe (I am using the UK as an example because that is where I live, but if you are a French Canadian, you might consider France).
Sorry if this is a very condesed and short post - it could go on for ages, just take time to do a business plan
1) Where you want to fly, work and live
2) Get the appropriate medical - Class 1 EU, but if CPL is as far as you want to go Class 2 OK in FAA land for example.
3) Work out a training schedule. PPL is a MUST first. You cannot even take JAA ATP groung exams without it and cannot really tell if this is your way forward.
4) Work out your training schedule and budget.
5) Go for it and love life.
All the best mate and don't let ANYTHING get in the way of what you REALY want in life.
I see you live in Canada, but are talking about JAA training?? Do you want to live and work in Europe?? Do you have rights to work in Europe?? I don't want to be negative but in EU land we "generally" envy you over the pond.
All I say about your age and everything else is - GO FOR IT. If you can really make the descission that this is your way forward in life, then that is THE way it has to be. By entering professional aviation you will be tested and tested again until the day you retire, so its a case of planning and learning and that will never stop, but remember - that IS the way you planned it!!
There are plenty of other posts about medical issues, but remember in JAA land we are totaly different to otherwise more enlightened countries such as yourself and you will need to travel to Europe for an Initial Class 1 medical. If you want a JAA licence then please don't do any thing until you have your medical in hand. Contact our CAA www.caa.co.uk for details. Also there are 14 written exams that take about a year distance learning of 15 hours a week to get (if you are lucky) or 750 hours of classroom. Also with the written exams, I think they can only be taken in Europe (I am using the UK as an example because that is where I live, but if you are a French Canadian, you might consider France).
Sorry if this is a very condesed and short post - it could go on for ages, just take time to do a business plan
1) Where you want to fly, work and live
2) Get the appropriate medical - Class 1 EU, but if CPL is as far as you want to go Class 2 OK in FAA land for example.
3) Work out a training schedule. PPL is a MUST first. You cannot even take JAA ATP groung exams without it and cannot really tell if this is your way forward.
4) Work out your training schedule and budget.
5) Go for it and love life.
All the best mate and don't let ANYTHING get in the way of what you REALY want in life.
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Apologise for the delay in replying, too much going on right now.
Thanks Telboy.
I live in Canada right now for my job but hold a full UK passport as that is where I was born and dragged up. Not too sure however if I'd want to live in UK full time given I've seen too many places abroad, but we'll wait and see.
I've just received my training kit for my PPL, so intend to study hard, get the exams out of the way hopefully this side of christmas or January 2008, then get a UK medical at the same time (class 1). Plans are then to go and do my PPL ground school in Florida over a month (JAA) and at the end I'll know whether it stays as a hobby or maybe more. If so, sell everything and go back to school for my commercial licence or at worst, fly in my spare time, if say the medical becomes a problem.
Fingers crossed and as they say nothing ventured nothing gained.
Thanks Telboy.
I live in Canada right now for my job but hold a full UK passport as that is where I was born and dragged up. Not too sure however if I'd want to live in UK full time given I've seen too many places abroad, but we'll wait and see.
I've just received my training kit for my PPL, so intend to study hard, get the exams out of the way hopefully this side of christmas or January 2008, then get a UK medical at the same time (class 1). Plans are then to go and do my PPL ground school in Florida over a month (JAA) and at the end I'll know whether it stays as a hobby or maybe more. If so, sell everything and go back to school for my commercial licence or at worst, fly in my spare time, if say the medical becomes a problem.
Fingers crossed and as they say nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Dont mean to hijack this thread but thought it polite to extend a little
Ok, I know everyone has had these questions thrown at them multiple times but hey I figure that small changes do make everyone a little bit of an individual. I also did check and could find anything so I decided to open a new thread. I currently reside in the UK although I am an Australian national. I hold an ICAO PPL (A), which I obtained in the UK, and have approx 200 hours logged. I love aerobatics and have about 40 hours logged mainly in a T67M Firefly. Now here is the point: I hate my job in IT and absolutely love flying!!
I have approached Oxford Aviation about doing a modular course for 12 months cause all I want to do is fly! Now, I am a realist so I have the class 1 booked for 6th Sept 07. However here are the things that are worrying me:
- I am 38 years old, what are my chances of getting a job with an airline. I know that certain airlines are probably not a reality but will any of the others consider me?
- Although I am an Australian national I can get a dependency visa through my fiancé. All the airline requirements in the UK specify, “must have unlimited right to work in the EU” If I have unlimited right to live in the UK is this enough?
- Which is better the modular route or the integrated route?
So before I spend the +40K any any any advise would be so very appreciated.
I have approached Oxford Aviation about doing a modular course for 12 months cause all I want to do is fly! Now, I am a realist so I have the class 1 booked for 6th Sept 07. However here are the things that are worrying me:
- I am 38 years old, what are my chances of getting a job with an airline. I know that certain airlines are probably not a reality but will any of the others consider me?
- Although I am an Australian national I can get a dependency visa through my fiancé. All the airline requirements in the UK specify, “must have unlimited right to work in the EU” If I have unlimited right to live in the UK is this enough?
- Which is better the modular route or the integrated route?
So before I spend the +40K any any any advise would be so very appreciated.
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Midlife Flyer,
Just go for it.. to motivate you a bit, i have a friend who is just reach his 40's, now working as A320 Co-Pilot, just working. As i know, he got same problem like you, hi-blood pressure.. but he passed all the medical tests. Take care of your health, eat smart and have a relax life. Good Luck!
Just go for it.. to motivate you a bit, i have a friend who is just reach his 40's, now working as A320 Co-Pilot, just working. As i know, he got same problem like you, hi-blood pressure.. but he passed all the medical tests. Take care of your health, eat smart and have a relax life. Good Luck!