My Plan

[GeorgeJ]

I've thought about loans but I dont like loans and I think it would be the bet to get any sort of full time job and go to flying school at the same time. I know it will be time consuming and such, but heyyy I'll party when I get hired by an airline.

Anyways, I am thinking next september find a job in a factory, possibly my mom's where they pay like $25/h. Work there full time for 2 years, I can probably easily squeeze out $90 000(taxes included) in those two years, which will be MORE than enough to pay off all the flying school plus even college(I will be living at home :P, hell I aint moving out). Not to mention, if I become an instructor theres more money in that.

This is the flying school in my city
http://www.windsorflyingclub.com/training.htm

my plans to get are:
-private
-commercial
-multi-engine
-night rating
-multi engine instrument rating
-class iv instructor to get a job as an instructor there.
=38 000 plus maybe few extra thousand and approx 40-42k

Currently, the hardest part will be getting a good paying job. I really hope I can get into my mom's place.

[scameron77]

Mate,

From reading other threads I distinctly get the impresison that North American carriers tend to always go for college degrees. It woudl make sense to get that under your belt first (always gives you an extra option).

[GeorgeJ]

Yahh, thats my plan, get a college degree after I finish flying school. I think I might get a 3 year degree in something like International Business, or anything. It will also be my backup at the same time. I dont think University is a good option, it's a lot harder, longer, more expensive and besides, College can give me the same chance of being hired in an airliner as a university would probably.

But first, I want to get flying school so I can do intructing and college at the same time and build up hours.

[Farrell]

25 dollars an hour!!!

Ummmm.....you couldn't get me one of those jobs could you?

[GeorgeJ]

I dunno exactly about it, but I will settle for any job that will give me any decent pay. I could settle for $30 000/year and it will be enough that I work for two years to pay it off.

[Pilotpaul787]

Hello everyone I've been reading from Pprune for a year or two now but thought it was time to make my first post. Basically I've wanted to be a pilot since I was 10 and have been working towards it ever since. I was just hoping I could post my training plan on here and if anyone has any suggestions or comments regarding it, I would really appreciate it. Firstly, I have passed first time the Oxford Aviation 2 day aptitude assessment in Feb 2006. Although I have decided not to carry out my training with them for financial reasons I wanted to take the assessment to give me a good indication of my abilities.
As of now, I have just started my PPL a few weeks ago with Ravenair at Liverpool John Lennon and in September will be starting an Airline & Airport Operations BTEC. This being three days a week so I can carry on with my training while I undertake this course (this BTEC also gives me the opportunity to work part time in positions such as dispatch at Liverpool or Manchester airport). Upon completion of my PPL my training plan is as follows:


1) Night Rating – I will use Ravenair for this upon completion of my PPL
2) Hour building – Either I will join a Cessna group a friend of my family is in, which is fairly cheap or I will go out to the US where I have family & hour build over there.
3) ATPL Ground School – From all my research and asking around as well as their reputation I am thinking of using Bristol.
4) Regarding my flight training after my ATPL exams (CPL,IMC,MEP,IR), I am considering using Atlantic Flight Training, I know someone training with them who have given them a good report, their fleet is impressive, price, reputation and facilities are also impressive. I have also heard that it is preferable to carry out your flight training in one school rather than shopping around at different schools for different modules.
5) MCC/JOC using Oxford Aviation or one of the Ryanair approved MCC courses

So basically that is my plan as it stands now, obviously things could change between now and then, but if anybody has any views and suggestions on the way I have decided to proceed please let me know. I look forward to your replies.

Thanks,
Paul.

P.S My initial class one medical has just expired, am I right in thinking I can now exercise class two privileges with it?

Thanks again.

[dfspilot]

yes class 2 priviledges for 2 years from date of issue of class 1 initial/renewal date. you dont need to do the imc unless you have money to throw away or you just want he experience as you will do all that in the multi IR. all seems a good plan though particularly the part time work as it will help you build contacts ( which is very important ) . good luck with your training.

[TAP]

Good Lad

Good to know you are being pretty keen and going down the hard route. If you show that sort of commitment, you will end up places thats for sure. Be aware that you may find it harder to get into some airlines with the self improver course.

What I dont understand is that you mentioned that you may end up going to Ryanair at the end.. I believe the years of studying and flying (so i guess a lack of income) and then paying for a MCC course with Ryan (i'm guessing so you can go on to do a TR with them) and then a TR will cost more than an Integarated course.

However, what I can say is no matter what training you have done, no matter what you have flown, no matter how many hours in your log book, no matter on colour, creed or race your no.1 challenge is bagging that contact in the industry who will pop your CV on someone's desk!

[Pilotpaul787]

Thanks for the replies. Regarding the Ryanair approved MCC I doubt I would take that option even if funds permitted. I'd only come across that option just the other day so I was just thinking it over in my head really. Regarding contacts in the industry, hopefully any work experience from this BTEC course I am on will help make some contacts, I've also got a friend of the family who is starting with BMI soon. Any more replies will be appreciated. Thanks a lot,
Paul.

[bri1980]

A sound looking plan. Stick at it because it is very easy to get bogged down due to any number of reasons (usually lack of funds-tell me about it!)

I really hope you have more success than I'm currently having!

B

[Pilotpaul787]

I have another quick question; I've tried a quick search but couldn't find anything. When I mentioned earlier about me being told airlines prefer all a students flight training done at one FTO rather than "shopping around", does anybody know if this view includes doing my ATPL ground school at the same place as my flying, or is it generally just advisable to do all my flight training after my exams at the same school, with if possible little or no gaps between modules, i.e. full time training. Thanks for the past and future replies.

Paul.

[scroggs]

It does not matter where you do your ground school. It doesn't really matter where you do your flying training either, unless you want to work for a specific airline that has a tie-up with a specific school. Most airlines will never even ask where you trained once you have a licence and a few hours under your belt.

Scroggs

[Pilotpaul787]

Ok thanks Scroggs

[antic81]

One piece of advice I was given though Re flight training was, try to keep it in the UK, it may be tempting to go overseas, i.e cheaper, but try to get all your training and ratings done here, by which I mean, PPL, Night rating, Multi engine IR, and Com, just heard that airlines look more favorably at it, i dont mean the hour building though, for that go as cheap as you can find!

PS, i believe that the class 1 medical, if expired, can still be used with class 2 privileges for five years after the date of issue, actually it was recently explained to me by my AME, and the new certificates are much clearer on this!

Good luck mate, all the best!

Ant

[Felix Saddler]

Felix's Pilot Journey

I have decided that after i finish my upcoming A-levels i will go straight into flight training instead of uni. I came to this decision for a few reasons:

1) A lack of interest in further education.
2) A degree is not essential.
3) The option of open university is always available if needs be.
4) Student debt.

After much deliberation i have decided to go modular:

1) Integrated is far too expensive and i cant afford it.
2) Modular training can be done at your own pace and can be done a lot cheaper.
3) More flying hours.
4) Able to work full time to pay for training
5) Less debt!

How much it will roughly cost me:
(I have rounded up a little as renewal costs and transport costs i have no idea about)

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Module 1

Orlando flight training

PPL & NR

• JAA Pa28 45 hour PPL course - £4194
• Class II Medical - £150
• Flights to USA - £350 + Air miles
• PPL issue - £170
• NR Issue - £80
• Study pack - £199

Total for PPL & NR & Medical - £5200

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Module 2

Bristol Ground School

• ATPL Theory module 1 & 2 - £2100
• Exam fees - £900
• Class I Medical - £400
(Probably do some hour building between modules)
(Also prices are Dependant on 1st time passes, £62 per exam)

Hour Building

• Block rates Pa28 $99hr with OFT.
• 100hours Pa28 - £5015
• 2 months Accommodation with OFT - £1000
• 2 x Return Flights to USA - £600 + Air miles!
• 7 hours UK flying - £735 (£105hr wet)

Total for Ground school & Hour Building - £11000

(I would do 1 months hour building then go back later in the year, hence the 2 x flights)

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Module 3

Bournemouth Commercial Flight Training

• MEPL/CPL (incl. all course material & test fees) - £7300
• CPL Issue - £220
• Instrument Rating (incl. all course material & test fees) - £11000
• IR Issue - £110
• MCC at OAT - £2900

(excl. living costs as i have no idea!)

Total for Commercial Training - £22000

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•Total hours flown - 250 hours

•Total cost of training - £39000

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Once again i am aware that this is only rough and there are many hidden costs to consider, however i rounded up significantly to try counter act these.

Kind Regards,

Felix Saddler.

[AlphaMale]

Think you'll be short of 100hrs before starting Module 2?

I thought you needed 150hrs and a PPL to be able to start / sit ATPL exams?

You might be better off in doing a PPL + Night + MEP + 100hrs All in one go while your out there. Think OFT were charging £9,995 for it but it may have been another Florida based JAA FTO

Good luck

Edited to add:

FlyOBA ATPL Prep

[Whirlygig]

You need a PPL in order to start the ATPL ground school and 150 hours plus exams passes before you start the commercial training.

Cheers

Whirls

[AlphaMale]

I knew you needed it for CPL onward but wasn't sure for the ATPL exams. ... Ooops.

[tornado617]

PPL, hour building and ATPL groundschool

I am able to save the £3000 course fee in a couple of months and I will then be ready to go to the USA to do my JAA PPL. If i save to the end of the year,however, i will have just over £7000. Would it be better to get my PPL now and save for my hourbuilding and ATPL groundschool after, or save £7000 and have it all ready? I know it sounds obvious, but i really want to get on with it. Thank you.

[Felix Saddler]

Tornado, im planning on doing the same thing as you. I have saved 5K to go do my JAA ppl in the summer and will continue to save after that for the rest.