My Plan
Dancing with the devil, going with the flow... it's all a game to me.
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Sorry folks.
Mate logged on to the site via my pooter last night. His idea of a joke. Have to say I can see the funny side but he was rather sneaky with his use of my log-on name. Just asked him why he didn't call everyone a bunch of so and so's but he said he wanted to be more cunning. i.e; get me into bother!
Thanx for the understanding. Sorry to Piper, guess you must've thought I was a real moody/ loony git!
VFE.
PS: Cannot seriously go through every forum so if anyone see's a spurious post in my name could they please let me know? Thank you.
PPS: One thing though: who is Dash-8? Mate reckons it's this Piper dude. Any views folks?
Mate logged on to the site via my pooter last night. His idea of a joke. Have to say I can see the funny side but he was rather sneaky with his use of my log-on name. Just asked him why he didn't call everyone a bunch of so and so's but he said he wanted to be more cunning. i.e; get me into bother!
Thanx for the understanding. Sorry to Piper, guess you must've thought I was a real moody/ loony git!
VFE.
PS: Cannot seriously go through every forum so if anyone see's a spurious post in my name could they please let me know? Thank you.
PPS: One thing though: who is Dash-8? Mate reckons it's this Piper dude. Any views folks?
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Good luck Ben. After reading your original plan, I was kind of shocked at the level of risk(no reflection on your ability-PPL at 17 well done!), that you and your family were about to undertake! Take your time, earn some money (the hard way) as it shows that you have dedication and determination, do not lose sight of your goal (you'll know what I mean when you start studying Aviation Law for your ATPL!)
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All the best Ben - can heartily recommend LFS for the IR did mine their struggled with it but they got me through.
Dont think everybody was getting at you, just your initial post created a lot of feeling
Once again best of luck, modular is the way
Dont think everybody was getting at you, just your initial post created a lot of feeling
Once again best of luck, modular is the way
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Career Plan
OK. Here we go. My attempt to try to obtain all of the information required to get from PPL to a frozen ATPL in one topic.
At the minute, most of the information seems to be from various different posts and its all getting a bit hazy.
I have begun (thanks god, at last) my training for the PPL at Newcastle Aero Club). I hope to apply for a scholarship to help towards the hours from the Air League soon and then complete my PPL ASAP.
Then i am a bit confused as to what to do next.
Can i begin the theoretical training for the CPL or do i need the flight time first?
Say i can do the CPL exams and then the hours, i can get my CPL and then hopefully do the distanct learning ATPL scheme.
Does the same apply to this as it does to the CPL. By this i mean can i do the ATPL exams and then work towards the flight hours or do i need the hours first.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
At the minute, most of the information seems to be from various different posts and its all getting a bit hazy.
I have begun (thanks god, at last) my training for the PPL at Newcastle Aero Club). I hope to apply for a scholarship to help towards the hours from the Air League soon and then complete my PPL ASAP.
Then i am a bit confused as to what to do next.
Can i begin the theoretical training for the CPL or do i need the flight time first?
Say i can do the CPL exams and then the hours, i can get my CPL and then hopefully do the distanct learning ATPL scheme.
Does the same apply to this as it does to the CPL. By this i mean can i do the ATPL exams and then work towards the flight hours or do i need the hours first.
Any help would be greatly appreciated
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PWP,
If you search for this it's generally been well covered, but as you say, it may read clearer all in one thread.
There's a few convoluted points in your post, hopefully this may clear it up a bit, and I'm sure others will help too.
Basically your (modular) route to fATPL (in chronological order) is:-
1. PPL
2. You can either a) hour build to 150 hours which will be needed to start your CPL flight training later on or b) do the theory by either full time study or distance learning. The order you do the hour building or the study is your choice.
Be careful as to which theory papers you want to study. You mention CPL theory at some point. This is NOT sufficient for the airlines. If you want to be an airline pilot, you need to study for the ATPL theory (14 papers). You need your theory papers passed BEFORE you can commence CPL flight training, WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
3. If you now have the PPL, 150 hours and your ATPL theory passed, you can now undertake the flying training to obtain your CPL.
4. Now in possession of ATPL theory and your CPL, you can now do your IR. Having passed the IR you are now in possession of your fATPL. Bingo !
Not forgetting your MCC for the airlines.
Hope that makes sense.
If you search for this it's generally been well covered, but as you say, it may read clearer all in one thread.
There's a few convoluted points in your post, hopefully this may clear it up a bit, and I'm sure others will help too.
Basically your (modular) route to fATPL (in chronological order) is:-
1. PPL
2. You can either a) hour build to 150 hours which will be needed to start your CPL flight training later on or b) do the theory by either full time study or distance learning. The order you do the hour building or the study is your choice.
Be careful as to which theory papers you want to study. You mention CPL theory at some point. This is NOT sufficient for the airlines. If you want to be an airline pilot, you need to study for the ATPL theory (14 papers). You need your theory papers passed BEFORE you can commence CPL flight training, WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
3. If you now have the PPL, 150 hours and your ATPL theory passed, you can now undertake the flying training to obtain your CPL.
4. Now in possession of ATPL theory and your CPL, you can now do your IR. Having passed the IR you are now in possession of your fATPL. Bingo !
Not forgetting your MCC for the airlines.
Hope that makes sense.
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You do your PPL at Newcastle?? WOW, me too.
Cant help you with your question mind, I dont have a clue how I am going to do the next step either, as always money comes into play
Regards
Ian
Co. Durham
Cant help you with your question mind, I dont have a clue how I am going to do the next step either, as always money comes into play
Regards
Ian
Co. Durham
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Hmm, know what you mean Gin..without wanting to sound harsh, there is a bit of a trait forming throughout various threads.
I'd never discourage anyone from posting any (constructive) advice, however individuals may want to think about their 'target audience' before dispensing the advice, somewhat in a cocky manner, given experience.
Food for thought eh, PP ???
Good luck to you PP, but please think.
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I'd never discourage anyone from posting any (constructive) advice, however individuals may want to think about their 'target audience' before dispensing the advice, somewhat in a cocky manner, given experience.
Food for thought eh, PP ???
Good luck to you PP, but please think.
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Career Plan Help
Im 16 and im thinking of joining the RAF as a flight operations assistant. I was thikning of a career plan. Would this work:
Join RAF as flight ops assistant, work way up to air traffic controller. Gain money to pay for licences and then once i have all of my licences apply to an airline.
Would this work or do i need a levels in order to become a pilot.
Any helpm appreciated
Join RAF as flight ops assistant, work way up to air traffic controller. Gain money to pay for licences and then once i have all of my licences apply to an airline.
Would this work or do i need a levels in order to become a pilot.
Any helpm appreciated
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You do not, currently, need A-levels to become a commercial pilot, though you do if you want to become a military one.
Your plan has a couple of snags. Firstly, the RAF doesn't like being used as a stepping-stone to other employers, and will reject you if it suspects that might be the case. Secondly, the progression from assistant to controller is long and difficult. The time scale for reaching controller (you must be at least a Senior NCO for this), then saving for and doing your licences is going to be in the order of 10 years or more - and you will have done many exams on the way! You may also have found your way into a war or two - I'm not joking, and you do need to think about that possibility. However, as long as you are aware of these issues and are prepared for them, then go for it. The RAF offers a great life and I'm sure you would enjoy it whatever the eventual outcome.
Best of luck!
Your plan has a couple of snags. Firstly, the RAF doesn't like being used as a stepping-stone to other employers, and will reject you if it suspects that might be the case. Secondly, the progression from assistant to controller is long and difficult. The time scale for reaching controller (you must be at least a Senior NCO for this), then saving for and doing your licences is going to be in the order of 10 years or more - and you will have done many exams on the way! You may also have found your way into a war or two - I'm not joking, and you do need to think about that possibility. However, as long as you are aware of these issues and are prepared for them, then go for it. The RAF offers a great life and I'm sure you would enjoy it whatever the eventual outcome.
Best of luck!
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Hi, I'm a little more 'senior' than the original poster here - I'm 32, former army officer with an interest in becoming a commercial pilot. I have a few hours flying experience but basically would need to start from scratch. I have found some training providers that run these courses but wondered if there was a good source of lists of differing schools anywhere? The section in Pilot magazine online is currently down...
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I dont want to stay at my local college. Its really bad. The teachers expect you to know everything. I dropped maths because they expected me to know the stuff and the same goes for physics. In the RAF i can gain great experience, and im fascinated with the job.
If i wanted i could do a levels etc.. later on in the RAF
Could i go in the RAF, and get a levels etc... and gain great experience and then join airlines in the future or even become an RAF pilot in the future.
If i wanted i could do a levels etc.. later on in the RAF
Could i go in the RAF, and get a levels etc... and gain great experience and then join airlines in the future or even become an RAF pilot in the future.