Pprune Posting Policy
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Whilst only a lowly engineer newbie, I highly value the work that moderators and administrators do. I run a forum for a charity and whilst this is not a well known one, there are still problems with spammers etc trying to put totally inappropriate posts on the site. As it is effectively a source of information, the accuracy of post has to be good. I don't have the problem of advertisers but I do supply links to other sites etc and if these prove to be a bit dodgy then they are deleted. As other people have said 'its Danny's house and his rules. If you don't like them don't post.' The same rules apply to I think all forum sites.
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Maybe it gets taken for granted as being there to use almost unconditionally, as does the rest of the internet. A faceless webpage free for all.
Is Danny some mafia boss? Does he post? Is he famous?
Is Danny some mafia boss? Does he post? Is he famous?
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Ok, the original issue was about PPRUNE's removal of a San Diego Schools' name from the site.
While I understand PPRUNE and its administrators have every right to pick and choose threads they wish to remain active - I dont think it's correct for threads that may actually benefit wannabes to be removed, however, I accept that sometimes (legal reasons etc) it has to be done. The original point dealt with the payment of advertising fees;
Anyone who is familiar with internet advertisig will know that everytime someone clicks a link (sometimes in the boxes beside your name) the linking website makes money, this is known as CPC (Cost per click). This advertising I understand, and non-payment would definitely warrant removing the schools' link from the site.
However, I feel that removing a thread that contains information relating to a school should be aired without prejudice. I feel removing potentially beneficial threads go against the whole principal of a forum.
BUT - I signed up for it, I really like PPRUNE and it is a valuable resource to both professional pilots and wannabes....so I will lump it and continue visiting and contributing with the same zeal......
WTL
While I understand PPRUNE and its administrators have every right to pick and choose threads they wish to remain active - I dont think it's correct for threads that may actually benefit wannabes to be removed, however, I accept that sometimes (legal reasons etc) it has to be done. The original point dealt with the payment of advertising fees;
Anyone who is familiar with internet advertisig will know that everytime someone clicks a link (sometimes in the boxes beside your name) the linking website makes money, this is known as CPC (Cost per click). This advertising I understand, and non-payment would definitely warrant removing the schools' link from the site.
However, I feel that removing a thread that contains information relating to a school should be aired without prejudice. I feel removing potentially beneficial threads go against the whole principal of a forum.
BUT - I signed up for it, I really like PPRUNE and it is a valuable resource to both professional pilots and wannabes....so I will lump it and continue visiting and contributing with the same zeal......
WTL
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As a relatively new Prooner, I found it most helpful when I was guided around the site by others who had been using PPRuNe longer than I had. Instead of feeling threatened by their "authoritative" comments or choosing to be insulted by them I found that their directions were helpful, increased my 'proon operating efficiency' and without exception given in a friendly manner.
So I say, congratulations Mcgoo for your community minded attitude, thanks.
Baboon Boy, to you I say:
Off you go, back up ya tree mate.
So I say, congratulations Mcgoo for your community minded attitude, thanks.
Baboon Boy, to you I say:
... are you a moderator in disguise?
or do you have some kind of personal connection with the owners of this forum?
If neither then you are a very sad man.
or do you have some kind of personal connection with the owners of this forum?
If neither then you are a very sad man.
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Ok, the original issue was about PPRUNE's removal of a San Diego Schools' name from the site.
While I understand PPRUNE and its administrators have every right to pick and choose threads they wish to remain active - I dont think it's correct for threads that may actually benefit wannabes to be removed, however, I accept that sometimes (legal reasons etc) it has to be done. The original point dealt with the payment of advertising fees;
Anyone who is familiar with internet advertisig will know that everytime someone clicks a link (sometimes in the boxes beside your name) the linking website makes money, this is known as CPC (Cost per click). This advertising I understand, and non-payment would definitely warrant removing the schools' link from the site.
However, I feel that removing a thread that contains information relating to a school should be aired without prejudice. I feel removing potentially beneficial threads go against the whole principal of a forum.
BUT - I signed up for it, I really like PPRUNE and it is a valuable resource to both professional pilots and wannabes....so I will lump it and continue visiting and contributing with the same zeal......
WTL
While I understand PPRUNE and its administrators have every right to pick and choose threads they wish to remain active - I dont think it's correct for threads that may actually benefit wannabes to be removed, however, I accept that sometimes (legal reasons etc) it has to be done. The original point dealt with the payment of advertising fees;
Anyone who is familiar with internet advertisig will know that everytime someone clicks a link (sometimes in the boxes beside your name) the linking website makes money, this is known as CPC (Cost per click). This advertising I understand, and non-payment would definitely warrant removing the schools' link from the site.
However, I feel that removing a thread that contains information relating to a school should be aired without prejudice. I feel removing potentially beneficial threads go against the whole principal of a forum.
BUT - I signed up for it, I really like PPRUNE and it is a valuable resource to both professional pilots and wannabes....so I will lump it and continue visiting and contributing with the same zeal......
WTL
The fact is that any organisation that is mentioned on these forums is effectively getting free advertising, even when the commentary is unfavourable - there is no such thing as bad publicity. We have no problem with that for the most part; the exchange of information is more important, most of the time. However, where our efforts are abused by an individual or organisation, we reserve the right to remove all and any mention of that individual or organisation, and thus deny them the oxygen of publicity via these forums.
It is no different to what you may do in your own house - if you refuse to discuss, say, politics in your house, then all your house guests must live with that policy or leave. They have no say in the rules which you set in your house, no matter how unreasonable those rules are. We are not quite so dictatorial - most of the time - but this is Danny's 'house', and what he says, goes. There is no right of free speech, and no right of appeal.
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Rich tapestry of life..
As much as the powers that be wish these discussions didn't arise, I can't help but laugh at the whole bloody thing.
Good on you guys for having your hissy fits!
A much satisfied PPRuNe user,
Dave
ps. mcgoo, hope things work out between you baboon boy
Good on you guys for having your hissy fits!
A much satisfied PPRuNe user,
Dave
ps. mcgoo, hope things work out between you baboon boy
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Apologies to those of you who posted intelligent or witty stuff in there. It all became irrelevant after weeding out the absolute garbage.
Considering the thread was about "House Rules" do any of you really think that the majority of that garbage was worth writing in a "Professional Pilot Training" forum?
Considering the thread was about "House Rules" do any of you really think that the majority of that garbage was worth writing in a "Professional Pilot Training" forum?
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For further insight into Pprune's policy, I refer you to this post, made by Pprune Towers (one of the two owners of the site) in Military Aircrew today:
scroggs
Tigs,
You've made a series of assumptions in the above post. They may well appear logical to you. They appeared logical to the guys in 2001 who claimed our database of addresses had a base value of several million.
We weren't interested then and we aren't interested now.
You guys aren't customers. Don't kid yourself. You are users.
We don't give a stuff regarding advertisers. No sales people - none. We got suckered into that sales thing a couple of years ago and ended up with the site being run to pay the sales people. I've very glad to say we fired them a year ago. Advertisers now come to us under our terms. No pay by the click. No forum targeting. No one on commission. We set a price - they pay it or the ad doesn't appear. Just in case you can't read between the lines we don't like ads - they are a pain in the arse. Get the site back down to 10,000 users and we can do without ads like we used to.
We do our own thing and as the Australians and Jetblasters have discovered we have no qualms simply shutting down a forum until folks get the point.
Military Aviation threads stay. Charity threads go. The political testiculation goes. We put our time and money into running a set of aviation forums for the past ten years. We do not care what you think. Please consider that sentence carefully. We run the site for our pleasure not yours. You want to play political strategist or polemicist go elsewhere.
That is our choice and not yours. Please understand this. We don't care, we simply don't care if you use the site or not. As I said at the outset your assumptions are wrong. This isn't a commercial site, we've never borrowed a penny to fund it. We have no need to 'stroke' customers and advertisers because both come to us.
And so to those assumptions again Tigs - by everything you understand regarding commercial reality and customer service this site should soon be a wasteland. However, a search on my posts will find a 6 year history of taking the cyberbaseball bat to forums. The tumbleweed has still not appeared despite such long term lack of respect by Danny and I. It is extremely annoying but it is our site, it is private and while we thoroughly enjoy the pissed off going on the blanket with protest posts and threads there is only one thing to remember - the house always wins.
Sum up: Charity threads get chopped, non service threads go, political science wankfests for apprentice leader writers go. It's a huge internet out there and loads of other places are desperate for non aviation stuff.
Regards again,
Rob
You've made a series of assumptions in the above post. They may well appear logical to you. They appeared logical to the guys in 2001 who claimed our database of addresses had a base value of several million.
We weren't interested then and we aren't interested now.
You guys aren't customers. Don't kid yourself. You are users.
We don't give a stuff regarding advertisers. No sales people - none. We got suckered into that sales thing a couple of years ago and ended up with the site being run to pay the sales people. I've very glad to say we fired them a year ago. Advertisers now come to us under our terms. No pay by the click. No forum targeting. No one on commission. We set a price - they pay it or the ad doesn't appear. Just in case you can't read between the lines we don't like ads - they are a pain in the arse. Get the site back down to 10,000 users and we can do without ads like we used to.
We do our own thing and as the Australians and Jetblasters have discovered we have no qualms simply shutting down a forum until folks get the point.
Military Aviation threads stay. Charity threads go. The political testiculation goes. We put our time and money into running a set of aviation forums for the past ten years. We do not care what you think. Please consider that sentence carefully. We run the site for our pleasure not yours. You want to play political strategist or polemicist go elsewhere.
That is our choice and not yours. Please understand this. We don't care, we simply don't care if you use the site or not. As I said at the outset your assumptions are wrong. This isn't a commercial site, we've never borrowed a penny to fund it. We have no need to 'stroke' customers and advertisers because both come to us.
And so to those assumptions again Tigs - by everything you understand regarding commercial reality and customer service this site should soon be a wasteland. However, a search on my posts will find a 6 year history of taking the cyberbaseball bat to forums. The tumbleweed has still not appeared despite such long term lack of respect by Danny and I. It is extremely annoying but it is our site, it is private and while we thoroughly enjoy the pissed off going on the blanket with protest posts and threads there is only one thing to remember - the house always wins.
Sum up: Charity threads get chopped, non service threads go, political science wankfests for apprentice leader writers go. It's a huge internet out there and loads of other places are desperate for non aviation stuff.
Regards again,
Rob
