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Dear Ppruners,
Most concerned this morning to find that my post asking a number of questions about a certain school in San Diego has been deleted by the moderators. Apparently this school haven't paid a bill for advertising and are 'persona non grata'.
What's even more annoying is the tone taken by the moderators with me. "Any mention of this school" will be deleted, "no exceptions". Who on Earth do the moderators think they are talking to? Dear me.
Perhaps you are just as sorry as I am that Pprune would delete a perfectly valid post simply because of an internal matter. I mean, don't we live in a free country? Non payment of a bill has nothing directly to do with us save for the point that potential students might be concerned about the reason for the non payment. (i.e. is the school solvent)
Pprune needs to be an open forum or it is utterly pointless.
Birky
Most concerned this morning to find that my post asking a number of questions about a certain school in San Diego has been deleted by the moderators. Apparently this school haven't paid a bill for advertising and are 'persona non grata'.
What's even more annoying is the tone taken by the moderators with me. "Any mention of this school" will be deleted, "no exceptions". Who on Earth do the moderators think they are talking to? Dear me.
Perhaps you are just as sorry as I am that Pprune would delete a perfectly valid post simply because of an internal matter. I mean, don't we live in a free country? Non payment of a bill has nothing directly to do with us save for the point that potential students might be concerned about the reason for the non payment. (i.e. is the school solvent)
Pprune needs to be an open forum or it is utterly pointless.
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If the school is getting free advertising from the thread but hasn't paid it's bill then removing the thread seems fair enough to me, remember this forum isn't a "free country", it's Dannys, he pays the bills and ultimately decides what goes and what stays, you have a choice!
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In which case PPrune's owners are no better than the Rupert Murdochs of this world.
Surely, the one and ONLY value PPrune has is the honest input of the users. Without that I may just as well believe all the blurb some of these FTOs put out about themselves.
Just because the BBC didn't like Tony Blair wouldn't give them the right to stop mentioning him in news bulletins. Strikes me that Pprune needs to grow up a bit, no?
Surely, the one and ONLY value PPrune has is the honest input of the users. Without that I may just as well believe all the blurb some of these FTOs put out about themselves.
Just because the BBC didn't like Tony Blair wouldn't give them the right to stop mentioning him in news bulletins. Strikes me that Pprune needs to grow up a bit, no?
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Censorship on Pprune
Where is the line drawn between discussion and advertising?
Do all organisations mentioned pay to remain named?
I'm assuming Mr T of OBA doesn't contribute to his free publicity?
Do all organisations mentioned pay to remain named?
I'm assuming Mr T of OBA doesn't contribute to his free publicity?
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I figure that, good or bad, all comments about any FTO have to be left to market forces.
If a school has disgruntled detractors then, if it is being treated unfairly, it will have supporters too. It's then up to each user to filter through the posts to make up their own mind.
If Pprune want some money from this school, then get it the normal legal way. Don't lose the plot guys! This needs to be a free forum or die.
If a school has disgruntled detractors then, if it is being treated unfairly, it will have supporters too. It's then up to each user to filter through the posts to make up their own mind.
If Pprune want some money from this school, then get it the normal legal way. Don't lose the plot guys! This needs to be a free forum or die.
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I fear you may be missing the point, there may be legal wranglings already underway with said school, up until recently OBA could not be mentioned at all due to ongoing legal concerns, the mods/owners will delete posts as they see fit, it is their forum and they take ultimate responsibility for it, if you think they are no better than Rupert Murdoch why don't you start your own free speech forum and see how far you get?
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Get real - the BBC is a public service so they have to be balanced.
The owners of Pprune have set out their policy - either go with it or get off the forum.
I take it you use the forum for free.
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I agree. The name of the site should NOT have been removed if the reason given was "non-payment of advertising", thats rediculous.
Unless there are other reasons as mentioned above (legal proceedings etc) - it is contrary to the whole point of an open forum. Unless your point was derogatory or potentially deformation of character it should not have been removed.
So are Bristol, Oxford, OBA, Aerofan, FTE, EFT paying for advertising just to retain a positive thread??!! Come on PPRUNE, let the industry work itself out - dont canalise wannabes to where YOU want them to go!
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Unless there are other reasons as mentioned above (legal proceedings etc) - it is contrary to the whole point of an open forum. Unless your point was derogatory or potentially deformation of character it should not have been removed.
So are Bristol, Oxford, OBA, Aerofan, FTE, EFT paying for advertising just to retain a positive thread??!! Come on PPRUNE, let the industry work itself out - dont canalise wannabes to where YOU want them to go!
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Walk the line, I would draw your attention to the rules which you agreed to when you registered:
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Read and inwardly digest the above rules of engagement here on Pprune. There is no 'right' of free speech here; this is Danny's front room, and you behave yourselves as he demands when you accept his hospitality. There are many factors at work in a site of this size, and we are neither able nor willing to explain all of them to you. You have to accept the place as it is. That includes the fact that certain organisations and individuals are persona non grata. The explanation I or any other moderator may give may well be a gross simplification of the facts; in essence, the reasons for any loss of appearance privileges here are none of your business.
Anyone who has a problem with Danny's house rules are, of course, welcome to take up the argument with the man himself. Until and unless he changes those rules, I will apply them as he dictates.
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Anyone who has a problem with Danny's house rules are, of course, welcome to take up the argument with the man himself. Until and unless he changes those rules, I will apply them as he dictates.
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Delusions...
Oh dear...
Let's get this straight. PPrune is an important forum and for that the organisers/moderators or whatever should be pleased with themselves.
However, ironically, it strikes me that some of the moderators aren't aware of how much users like me do value its existence and its erstwhile openness. Otherwise they wouldn't be quite so careless about the ethics involved with deleting users' input.
Anyway, now I have got that compliment out of the way, I think I may have run out of enthusiasm for this thread and a little worn out by the pompous self-importance too. To quote Mr Scroggs...
"Read and inwardly digest the above rules of engagement here on Pprune. There is no 'right' of free speech here; this is Danny's front room, and you behave yourselves as he demands when you accept his hospitality".
Talk about delusions of grandieur! I'm off to 'behave' myself somewhere else!
Birky
Let's get this straight. PPrune is an important forum and for that the organisers/moderators or whatever should be pleased with themselves.
However, ironically, it strikes me that some of the moderators aren't aware of how much users like me do value its existence and its erstwhile openness. Otherwise they wouldn't be quite so careless about the ethics involved with deleting users' input.
Anyway, now I have got that compliment out of the way, I think I may have run out of enthusiasm for this thread and a little worn out by the pompous self-importance too. To quote Mr Scroggs...
"Read and inwardly digest the above rules of engagement here on Pprune. There is no 'right' of free speech here; this is Danny's front room, and you behave yourselves as he demands when you accept his hospitality".
Talk about delusions of grandieur! I'm off to 'behave' myself somewhere else!
Birky
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Also I think that the moderators know the reality of the posts here whether good or bad.. that is they create publicity for the school in question.
One school I used to work for that is thankfully now deceased which was on the Florida East Coast would actually get more inquiries and bookings when bad things were written on pprune about it! And there was lots of bad publicity!!
One school I used to work for that is thankfully now deceased which was on the Florida East Coast would actually get more inquiries and bookings when bad things were written on pprune about it! And there was lots of bad publicity!!
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I find it mildly amusing that none of the contributors (aside from the mods) to this thread have seen fit to financially contribute to the site.
Come on guys! You can do it for just a fiver.
Come on guys! You can do it for just a fiver.
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mcgoo?
Is it me, or has mcgoo taken it upon himself to become some kind of self apointed guardian of PPRUNE? If lost count of the number of times he as directed posters to "use the search facility", etc in a very authoritative manner. See here for an example: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=258927
Mcgoo, are you a moderator in disguise?
or do you have some kind of personal connection with the owners of this forum?
If neither then you are a very sad man.
Mcgoo, are you a moderator in disguise?
or do you have some kind of personal connection with the owners of this forum?
If neither then you are a very sad man.
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Baboon Boy, I have hardly ever said "use the search facility" whether it be in an "authoritative manner" or not, I do however while using the forum put a link to the sticky thread if the answer to a posters question is in there, it's called helping and is the point of a forum surely and must be a better response than no reply at all, as for your example I posted a link to the age thread that at the time was three threads down from the original question, it takes about 2 seconds to direct someone to the link, wheres the issue?
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always giving a helping hand mcgoo, and we're grateful for it.!
Actually, you may get some sort of pm re: navigation in the not too distant, am plodding through it now, and by plodding i mean crawling!
Rossco
Actually, you may get some sort of pm re: navigation in the not too distant, am plodding through it now, and by plodding i mean crawling!
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