Unfreezing ATPL
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Do you mean the 1,500 hour total time requirement, or the 500 hour multi-crew requirement specifically?
As far as I'm aware there are no limitations to where the experience is obtained, as long as the multi-crew is gained on a type that local regulations require to be flown multi-crew.
cheers!
foggy.
As far as I'm aware there are no limitations to where the experience is obtained, as long as the multi-crew is gained on a type that local regulations require to be flown multi-crew.
cheers!
foggy.
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I've done some research after hearing a rumour- the 5 year rule was under the old national system- under JAR as long as you keep renewing your IR you won't lose your ATPL credits-
sorry if I caused a few hairs to raise on the back of your necks/ the thought of those exams again/ no thanks.
sorry if I caused a few hairs to raise on the back of your necks/ the thought of those exams again/ no thanks.
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how long to unfreeze atpl
i have a jar cpl/ir with 270 odd hours. how long after i did my writtens andflight tests do i have to get the 1500 hrs total and all the other stuff before i have to redo my exams. or is there no time limit??
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Each time you renew your IR you have 7 years from that date....so as long as you keep a valid IR timespan is not an issue. There is a CAA gid on this...also check out LASORS.
If you dont know what LASORS is...check out the CAA website...its the licensing bible...
If you dont know what LASORS is...check out the CAA website...its the licensing bible...
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I just unfroze mine last week I completed my ATPL exams in April 1994. I did get lucky with some of the regulation changes for sure, but can anyone beat that? Did anyone have an ATPL frozen for longer?
I completed my ATPL exams in April 1994. I did get lucky with some of the regulation changes for sure, but can anyone beat that? Did anyone have an ATPL frozen for longer?
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Unfreeze ATPL
Simple, fill in the appropriate form provided by the CAA (available on their website) and sign a cheque for £176, they will also require original birth certificate or passport and of course your medical. I had mine issued recently (U.K.) but the multi-crew requirement is the real stumbling block, NO JOB = NO JAR ATPL!
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I asked this very question to a CFI at an CPL/IR school yesterday, since i have now over 1500 and all the rest of the requirements for the old UK ATPL. Since 30/06/02 there will be no UK (national) licenses being issued, so now you will be applying for a JAR ATPL regardless of you having a UK CPL F-ATPL, which the requirements are very different, the main one being you need 1500hrs of MCC time and as a co-pilot you can only log half of which you fly, therefore you need effectivly 3000hrs of MCC time to claim for your JAR ATPL, bummer. The only good thing is, is as long as you keep your IR valid within 7 years of your last renewal you will not lose any ATPL exams, thank god!
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Slightly out there. You need 500 hours of multi pilot time to get an ATPL (JAR). I think the reference is GID 25.
Any time you are an FO, you count 100% of that time. You only have to count 50% of when you are looking for specific hours. eg in Aus, you can only count 50% of your total night time (if logged two pilot) for your ATPL.
Any time you are an FO, you count 100% of that time. You only have to count 50% of when you are looking for specific hours. eg in Aus, you can only count 50% of your total night time (if logged two pilot) for your ATPL.
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Apart from the above mentioned £176 you need the following for the issue of a JAA ATPL:-
Total Time 1500 hours, of which you must have 100 night hours & 500 hours of multi-crew time. You do not have to only count half of the MC hours when flying as a First Officer, they all count.
Hope this helps.
Total Time 1500 hours, of which you must have 100 night hours & 500 hours of multi-crew time. You do not have to only count half of the MC hours when flying as a First Officer, they all count.
Hope this helps.
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http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/srg_fcl_gid25.pdf
is the website with all the details and requirements.
Hope this helps
GA
is the website with all the details and requirements.
Hope this helps
GA
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Unfreezing JAA ATPL
I am in the very fortunate position of being a relatively low houred pilot who's managed to get an airline job in the last year (thanks to CTC ATP scheme). I now have around 1000 hours total time, of which over 500 are in multi-crew aircraft.
Until recently, I thought that as soon as I had 1500 hrs and over 500MC, I could turn up at the CAA and (undoubtely for a small fee) have the magic green book put in my hand. More importantly, at the airline I work for, an unfrozen APTL means promotion to SFO which in turn means an 8K or so salary rise, so it's an important goal.
However, I now hear (via the rumour mill) that 1500hrs and 500MC is no longer enough to have your JAA ATPL unfrozen! Am I right in thinking that the CAA now want a command assessment in addition to everything else? My question therefore: what form does this take? (is it LPC/OPC, or is it easier or more complicated than that?)
If there's anyone one there who's got through this last hoop recently, I'd be very interested to hear how you did it!
Cheers, CL
Until recently, I thought that as soon as I had 1500 hrs and over 500MC, I could turn up at the CAA and (undoubtely for a small fee) have the magic green book put in my hand. More importantly, at the airline I work for, an unfrozen APTL means promotion to SFO which in turn means an 8K or so salary rise, so it's an important goal.
However, I now hear (via the rumour mill) that 1500hrs and 500MC is no longer enough to have your JAA ATPL unfrozen! Am I right in thinking that the CAA now want a command assessment in addition to everything else? My question therefore: what form does this take? (is it LPC/OPC, or is it easier or more complicated than that?)
If there's anyone one there who's got through this last hoop recently, I'd be very interested to hear how you did it!
Cheers, CL
Firstly it's not a CAA requirement, it's a JAA requirement. Secondly, it's nothing new - requirements for the issue of a JAA ATPL are, and always have been:
JAR-FCL 1.280
An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have completed as a pilot of aeroplanes at least 1500 hours of flight time (see also JAR-FCL 1.050(a)(3)). [Of the 1 500 hours flight time, up to 100 hours of flight time may have been completed in FS and FNPT of which a maximum of 25 hours may have benn completed in FNPT,] including at least:
(1) 500 hours in multi-pilot operations on aeroplanes type certificated in accordance with the JAR/FAR–25 Transport category or the JAR/FAR–23 Commuter category, or BCAR or AIR 2051;
(2) 250 hours either as pilot-in-command or at least 100 hours as pilot-in-command and 150 hours as co-pilot performing, under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(3) 200 hours of cross-country flight time of which at least 100 hours shall be as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot performing under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command, provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(4) 75 hours of instrument time of which not more than 30 hours may be instrument ground time; and (5) 100 hours of night flight as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot.
JAR-FCL 1.295
An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have demonstrated the ability to perform, as pilot-in-command of an aeroplane type certificated for a minimum crew of two pilots under IFR (see Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.220 part B), the procedures and manoeuvres described in Appendices 1 and 2 to JAR–FCL 1.240 and 1.295 with a degree of competency appropriate to the privileges granted to the holder of an ATPL(A).
The ATPL(A) skill test may serve at the same time as a skill test for the issue of the licence and a proficiency check for the revalidation of the type rating for the aeroplane used in the test and may be combined with the skill test for the issue of a multi-pilot type rating.
The format of the ATPL Skill Test is the same as the LST for the type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane
JAR-FCL 1.280
An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have completed as a pilot of aeroplanes at least 1500 hours of flight time (see also JAR-FCL 1.050(a)(3)). [Of the 1 500 hours flight time, up to 100 hours of flight time may have been completed in FS and FNPT of which a maximum of 25 hours may have benn completed in FNPT,] including at least:
(1) 500 hours in multi-pilot operations on aeroplanes type certificated in accordance with the JAR/FAR–25 Transport category or the JAR/FAR–23 Commuter category, or BCAR or AIR 2051;
(2) 250 hours either as pilot-in-command or at least 100 hours as pilot-in-command and 150 hours as co-pilot performing, under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(3) 200 hours of cross-country flight time of which at least 100 hours shall be as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot performing under the supervision of the pilot-in-command the duties and functions of a pilot-in-command, provided that the method of supervision is acceptable to the Authority;
(4) 75 hours of instrument time of which not more than 30 hours may be instrument ground time; and (5) 100 hours of night flight as pilot-in-command or as co-pilot.
JAR-FCL 1.295
An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have demonstrated the ability to perform, as pilot-in-command of an aeroplane type certificated for a minimum crew of two pilots under IFR (see Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.220 part B), the procedures and manoeuvres described in Appendices 1 and 2 to JAR–FCL 1.240 and 1.295 with a degree of competency appropriate to the privileges granted to the holder of an ATPL(A).
The ATPL(A) skill test may serve at the same time as a skill test for the issue of the licence and a proficiency check for the revalidation of the type rating for the aeroplane used in the test and may be combined with the skill test for the issue of a multi-pilot type rating.
The format of the ATPL Skill Test is the same as the LST for the type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane
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Let me see if I fully understood ,I can have my full ATPL even if I am not upgrading to captain now at my present company since I have the hours but not the seniority to get the position and I can do that on my next PC but I am not sure if a TRE is enough or a CAA inspector need to be present that day.
Thanks for the reply and if you can further clarify this I would really appreciate it.
Thanks for the reply and if you can further clarify this I would really appreciate it.