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Converting your JAA PPL to Transport Canada PPL:
There are 3 options, best option might be to get a Canadian medical, and do a small air regulations test called the PSTAR then you would have a full Canadian PPL. More details at: http://www.harvsair.com/training/conversions/index.htm
Cost is about $55 Canadian and takes a day.
No advantage if you finish your fATPL. If you have a fATPL you still have to do the Commercial Flight and Written exam to convert. Which is what you would have to do to get a Canadian Commercial Licence anyways. There is no such thing as a fATPL in Canada, the closest is to have a CPL and a Multi IFR, and then write the IATRA exam with 250 hours TT. Sorry if I confused you more. Good Luck. You can email me at [email protected] if you want more info.
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There are 3 options, best option might be to get a Canadian medical, and do a small air regulations test called the PSTAR then you would have a full Canadian PPL. More details at: http://www.harvsair.com/training/conversions/index.htm
Cost is about $55 Canadian and takes a day.
No advantage if you finish your fATPL. If you have a fATPL you still have to do the Commercial Flight and Written exam to convert. Which is what you would have to do to get a Canadian Commercial Licence anyways. There is no such thing as a fATPL in Canada, the closest is to have a CPL and a Multi IFR, and then write the IATRA exam with 250 hours TT. Sorry if I confused you more. Good Luck. You can email me at [email protected] if you want more info.
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Thanks CG and Adam
Advice is much appreciated. CG I will give you a PM soon, something happened yesterday which has tied me up for a little while. I've already put my application in to the CIC to it's in process afaik
Advice is much appreciated. CG I will give you a PM soon, something happened yesterday which has tied me up for a little while. I've already put my application in to the CIC to it's in process afaik
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Im 19, PPL from Canada but I am English. Live in Surrey. By all means PM me with questions about it as another member suggested.
I want to emmigrate there too, and have got lotsof information on things regarding the subject matter. Of course, government canadas website is the main wealth of information.
Good luck...and who knows, we could both be at the front of an AC aircraft one day!!
Smooth skies,
Dan
I want to emmigrate there too, and have got lotsof information on things regarding the subject matter. Of course, government canadas website is the main wealth of information.
Good luck...and who knows, we could both be at the front of an AC aircraft one day!!
Smooth skies,
Dan
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Chance of employment in Canada
Does anyone know how possible it is for someone to gain employent for an airline in Canada? I am hoping to have completed my JAA ATPL by this summer. If anyone knows of any license conversion needed, the chances of employment, if it happens often and who to brown nose in the meantime, I´d be greatful for that info. Cheers, Mr B Bear.
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CPL/IR/CFI's training and working in Canada or USA?
Hi everyone,
My question involves some background info that I hope I will not bore you all to death with before actually getting to the point.
So yeah, here we go:
I am an Aerospace Engineering major and currently studying in my second year at a UK university. As many others my goal is also to become a professional pilot.
The reason being for myself pursuing a university degree is basically to have a second career at hand in case the flying option will not take off as I hope it will. Furthermore, I think an Aero Eng degree will make my resume stick out a bit from other applications, provided that the flying experience is identical.
I plan on leaving my current college with a Bachelors degree to continue my studies towards a Masters degree either in America or Canada. The colleges I am interested in are San Diego State University or University of Ottawa.
My plan is to obtain all ratings up to a CPL/IR including the CIF’s so I can work for one of the local FTO’s as an instructor in my spare time while attending university and during the one-year period of practical training as an engineer, following university. After completing my education and hopefully having built enough hours to be employable I would be returning to the UK to find a job as an engineer as well as to start converting my FAA/TCCA ratings into JAA.
I think by doing so I will minimise the financial risks involved, while increasing my airline interview prospects to the utmost. The job market for engineers is looking fairly good at the moment and according to predictions will still do so in a few years down the line, so hopefully there should be a decent job with good pay for me in the bag.
My question to you now is, in regard to my flight training concerning factors such as costs, employment prospects as an FI etc., what would be the wiser path to take? I have done some research on flying in either country and it seems to be that either has its advantages and disadvantages. It would be great if there is anyone around who is familiar with aviation in particular in Canada, as there is so much more info available on flying in America.
Thanks a lot for your help! It’s greatly appreciated!
My question involves some background info that I hope I will not bore you all to death with before actually getting to the point.
So yeah, here we go:
I am an Aerospace Engineering major and currently studying in my second year at a UK university. As many others my goal is also to become a professional pilot.
The reason being for myself pursuing a university degree is basically to have a second career at hand in case the flying option will not take off as I hope it will. Furthermore, I think an Aero Eng degree will make my resume stick out a bit from other applications, provided that the flying experience is identical.
I plan on leaving my current college with a Bachelors degree to continue my studies towards a Masters degree either in America or Canada. The colleges I am interested in are San Diego State University or University of Ottawa.
My plan is to obtain all ratings up to a CPL/IR including the CIF’s so I can work for one of the local FTO’s as an instructor in my spare time while attending university and during the one-year period of practical training as an engineer, following university. After completing my education and hopefully having built enough hours to be employable I would be returning to the UK to find a job as an engineer as well as to start converting my FAA/TCCA ratings into JAA.
I think by doing so I will minimise the financial risks involved, while increasing my airline interview prospects to the utmost. The job market for engineers is looking fairly good at the moment and according to predictions will still do so in a few years down the line, so hopefully there should be a decent job with good pay for me in the bag.
My question to you now is, in regard to my flight training concerning factors such as costs, employment prospects as an FI etc., what would be the wiser path to take? I have done some research on flying in either country and it seems to be that either has its advantages and disadvantages. It would be great if there is anyone around who is familiar with aviation in particular in Canada, as there is so much more info available on flying in America.
Thanks a lot for your help! It’s greatly appreciated!
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Hi Stefair
This type of question has been asked before, see if the search function is working?
Very quickly, I presume you are from the UK. Not sure about Canada but lived in the US and also have an Enginering Degree from the UK.
First of all, when you are in the USA doing your Masters Degree, although you have the right to reside as a student will you have the right to work there? This will be your biggest obsticle and is a complex area.
Basically the North American (US and Canada) and JAR systems are very different when you start your Career. The North American System is based on QUANTITY of hours, you get your PPL, IR, CPL, CFI, MEI, CFII and when you reach the heights of 1000hrs plus (with 250hrs multi), you apply to the Cummuters for a regional airline job (TP of RG Jet) and work your way up to a shiney Boeing or Scarebus.
In JAR land the airlines prefer QUALITY hours. Someone with 250 to 500hrs piston who knows someone within an operator or turns up in the right place at the right time is more likely to get a job than someone with thousands of hours of Cessna time from North America. My advice to you would be:
1. If you are going to stay in North America, get yourself into THEIR system and follow it.
2. If your going to Fly in JAR Land do your PPL and hour building in US/Canada and then come back to Europe to do your Ground exams, CPL and IR.
3.Until you have 3000hrs of for example jet time your FAA ratings will be worthless in Europe and vice versa. DECIDE which route you want to go.
4. Regarding your degree, your doing the right thing. Generally a Flying licence is the basic quilification needed , however, if things dont work out or you loose your medical in the future you have something to fall back on. Some of the majors ask for proof of above average academic performance....a decent BEng is more than adequate.
5. IF you really want to Fly I think a Masters is over kill. Why not just get your B degree and start your training?
6. If you decide to get your Masters I can recommend San Diego . Canada is too cold
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This type of question has been asked before, see if the search function is working?
Very quickly, I presume you are from the UK. Not sure about Canada but lived in the US and also have an Enginering Degree from the UK.
First of all, when you are in the USA doing your Masters Degree, although you have the right to reside as a student will you have the right to work there? This will be your biggest obsticle and is a complex area.
Basically the North American (US and Canada) and JAR systems are very different when you start your Career. The North American System is based on QUANTITY of hours, you get your PPL, IR, CPL, CFI, MEI, CFII and when you reach the heights of 1000hrs plus (with 250hrs multi), you apply to the Cummuters for a regional airline job (TP of RG Jet) and work your way up to a shiney Boeing
or Scarebus.In JAR land the airlines prefer QUALITY hours. Someone with 250 to 500hrs piston who knows someone within an operator or turns up in the right place at the right time is more likely to get a job than someone with thousands of hours of Cessna time from North America. My advice to you would be:
1. If you are going to stay in North America, get yourself into THEIR system and follow it.
2. If your going to Fly in JAR Land do your PPL and hour building in US/Canada and then come back to Europe to do your Ground exams, CPL and IR.
3.Until you have 3000hrs of for example jet time your FAA ratings will be worthless in Europe and vice versa. DECIDE which route you want to go.
4. Regarding your degree, your doing the right thing. Generally a Flying licence is the basic quilification needed , however, if things dont work out or you loose your medical in the future you have something to fall back on. Some of the majors ask for proof of above average academic performance....a decent BEng is more than adequate.
5. IF you really want to Fly I think a Masters is over kill. Why not just get your B degree and start your training?
6. If you decide to get your Masters I can recommend San Diego
. Canada is too cold .
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Hello Steffair!
I was in the same boat as you when I graduated from Uni 18 months ago.
I blasted off to Canada and finished my CPL off (decent prices on training). The school offered me a job so did my instrucor rating and have been here since.
I'd certainly recommend Canada, people here are pretty cool, weather is wicked. Yeah, it is cold (that other guy's a homo) but as you know cold air = clear skies. If you're not gay, just by a jacket.
Pay is virtually non-existant for instructors out here but I'm at a mediumly type busy school and have been cruising the skies an average of 40 hours a month in my mighty 150/172(!). Much more in summer when the runway is less snowed up.
Plenty of jobs for instructors if you don't care where you go. Job ads:
www.avcanada.ca.
Work permits - no worries if you have graduated from uni in the last 12 months :
http://www.canada.org.uk/visa-info/worker/e_stuwor.htm
Screw the engineer ****! You must have already wasted your time at uni doing aero eng. (I watched a few buddies cry their way through that course) when you could have done an easy degree and been in the pub.
Nice to have a back up and all but seems a lot of work if you don't actually want to be an engineer in the end. I did some lazy bum aviation management degree.
Can you get on the University Air Squadron? Also a bit of a giggle. Free flying and plenty of beer.
If you're interested in flying near Ottawa, I have an ex-colleague who is top notch over there. If you wanna know more bout my school, be happy to help.
As for converting licences back to JAA - dunno! Will find out and let ya know when I bust out of here in the Spring.
Good Luck,
Andy
I was in the same boat as you when I graduated from Uni 18 months ago.
I blasted off to Canada and finished my CPL off (decent prices on training). The school offered me a job so did my instrucor rating and have been here since.
I'd certainly recommend Canada, people here are pretty cool, weather is wicked. Yeah, it is cold (that other guy's a homo) but as you know cold air = clear skies. If you're not gay, just by a jacket.
Pay is virtually non-existant for instructors out here but I'm at a mediumly type busy school and have been cruising the skies an average of 40 hours a month in my mighty 150/172(!). Much more in summer when the runway is less snowed up.
Plenty of jobs for instructors if you don't care where you go. Job ads:
www.avcanada.ca.
Work permits - no worries if you have graduated from uni in the last 12 months :
http://www.canada.org.uk/visa-info/worker/e_stuwor.htm
Screw the engineer ****! You must have already wasted your time at uni doing aero eng. (I watched a few buddies cry their way through that course) when you could have done an easy degree and been in the pub.
Nice to have a back up and all but seems a lot of work if you don't actually want to be an engineer in the end. I did some lazy bum aviation management degree.
Can you get on the University Air Squadron? Also a bit of a giggle. Free flying and plenty of beer.
If you're interested in flying near Ottawa, I have an ex-colleague who is top notch over there. If you wanna know more bout my school, be happy to help.
As for converting licences back to JAA - dunno! Will find out and let ya know when I bust out of here in the Spring.
Good Luck,
Andy
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D/H, thanks for your answer!
Andy,
Thanks a lot for your post! Worthwile a read!
However, no offence but I felt like the way you are slagging off DH 76 reminds me of a young sport, who has to contemplate his wording a bit more! All DH wanted to do was to map out his point of view as he personally likes Sou Cal better than Canada! Again, no offence, but felt like I had to get this straight before going on with my thoughts on flight training/postgrad ed in Canada.
Hmm, dunno know what I should make of this really?! 
No offence again, but maybe there are some folks out there who actually enjoy doing that ... erm ... "engineer ****"...
I must stress I actually enjoy going to university! 
I too like doing engineering math and all the rest of it! Also it's not that I think this degree is one of the easier sorts, but I am definitely not "crying" myself through it. And believe it or not, I can be seen every so often down the pub with my buddies sipping on a pint and chasing the ladies...
I would not mind working as an engineer at all as long as I will closely be working to airplanes. I do not know at this point if "merely" flying the line for the next 30 years or so would make me happy. I want to keep myself as many options on the table for as long as I possibly can. That's why I also decided on pursuing a degree and perhaps some postgrad ed.
It most certainly sounds really nice the way you are talking about Canada. It's about the way I imagine it to be. No, I would not mind the chill factor at all, as I do not bat for the same team, no no, not at all.
So yeah, I could get a jacket indeed. I just think the landscape in North America must be amazing, let alone the peeps. I have lived for several years in California already - it's an awesome place to live, but why not try something new? If I had to make a decision right now I would probably choose Ottawa over San Diego, but then again, since the University of Ottawa runs a very competitive aero eng program I would have to first get into the school, which appears to be rather difficult... 
A few more questions: University Air Squadron? What the heck is this? If this is to do with pre-military flying I guess I can forget about it, as I am not a UK citizen. Having said this leads me to my next question. Will I be facing any extraordinary difficulties in getting a work permit, if not being a UK citizen but a EU resident? Am a German native.
Where can I find info on cockpit crew licensing in Canada? There's loads of info available on the Yankee bit, especially here in Pprune, but not as much on Canada! Help please! Others? Any thoughts in this?
Andy, again thanks very much for your help. Am looking forward to hearing back from you!
-s
Andy,
Thanks a lot for your post! Worthwile a read!
However, no offence but I felt like the way you are slagging off DH 76 reminds me of a young sport, who has to contemplate his wording a bit more! All DH wanted to do was to map out his point of view as he personally likes Sou Cal better than Canada! Again, no offence, but felt like I had to get this straight before going on with my thoughts on flight training/postgrad ed in Canada.
Originally Posted by watty
Screw the engineer ****! You must have already wasted your time at uni doing aero eng. (I watched a few buddies cry their way through that course) when you could have done an easy degree and been in the pub.
No offence again, but maybe there are some folks out there who actually enjoy doing that ... erm ... "engineer ****"...
I must stress I actually enjoy going to university! I too like doing engineering math and all the rest of it! Also it's not that I think this degree is one of the easier sorts, but I am definitely not "crying" myself through it. And believe it or not, I can be seen every so often down the pub with my buddies sipping on a pint and chasing the ladies... I would not mind working as an engineer at all as long as I will closely be working to airplanes. I do not know at this point if "merely" flying the line for the next 30 years or so would make me happy. I want to keep myself as many options on the table for as long as I possibly can. That's why I also decided on pursuing a degree and perhaps some postgrad ed.
It most certainly sounds really nice the way you are talking about Canada. It's about the way I imagine it to be. No, I would not mind the chill factor at all, as I do not bat for the same team, no no, not at all.
So yeah, I could get a jacket indeed. I just think the landscape in North America must be amazing, let alone the peeps. I have lived for several years in California already - it's an awesome place to live, but why not try something new? If I had to make a decision right now I would probably choose Ottawa over San Diego, but then again, since the University of Ottawa runs a very competitive aero eng program I would have to first get into the school, which appears to be rather difficult... A few more questions: University Air Squadron? What the heck is this? If this is to do with pre-military flying I guess I can forget about it, as I am not a UK citizen. Having said this leads me to my next question. Will I be facing any extraordinary difficulties in getting a work permit, if not being a UK citizen but a EU resident? Am a German native.
Where can I find info on cockpit crew licensing in Canada? There's loads of info available on the Yankee bit, especially here in Pprune, but not as much on Canada! Help please! Others? Any thoughts in this?
Andy, again thanks very much for your help. Am looking forward to hearing back from you!
-s
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Employment in Canada
I'm about to start my ATPL modular training here in the UK and in florida. I have dual british and canadian nationality. When I obtain the JAA ATPL(frozen) licence I intend to look for an airline career here in the UK. However, I would also consider re-locating to canada and working for a canadian airline. Can somebody tell me how a JAA to TC ATPL conversion works or the other way round? Is it complicated and expensive? If I applied to canadian airlines with a JAA ATPL(frozen) licence would they consider me, if I pledged to convert it before I commenced employment with them?
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