JAA ATPL Ground Exams

[potkettleblack]

Do a search on LASORS either here or on the CAA website. Everything you want to know about the exams including sittings, dates etc is contained in there.

[mcgoo]

ITFC1 is correct, you get 4 attempts at each exam with a maximum of 6 sittings.

[helicopter-redeye]

.. and I think they are JAR exams. The CAA national exams were the ones before JAR came along and brightened up our empty lives.

h-r

[2close]

Why ATPL Comms Exams

Why do holders of JAA issued FRTOLs have to undertake the VFR and IFR CPL / ATPL Comms exams?

We're not issued with any new radio operators licence and the exams are hardly of any greater standard than the original RT written.

I can understand holders of non-JAA licences having to take the exams but not JAA FRTOL holders.

Also, I understand that FAA licence holders should, strictly speaking, undertake the JAA RT written and practical exams before operating an aircraft in UK airspace but is it ever done in reality?

For that matter, do FAA or other non-JAA PPL holders undertaking the JAA CPL have to undergo a practical RT test before licence issue or do the authorities issue the licence purely on the basis of having passed the writtens?

Confused and bit p'ed off at having to fork out Ł120 for two exams for no understandable reason.

2close

[BlueRobin]

Agreed. There should be one paper and the new ATPL learning objectives should include more on IFR departure clearances.

[Farrell]

Originally Posted by 2close

Why do holders of JAA issued FRTOLs have to undertake the VFR and IFR CPL / ATPL Comms exams?

More money....?

[BlueRobin]

More like because X country wanted it in the interests of completeness and so were placated.

Do we really need 90 questions in the Met paper?

[paco]

The reason it is there in the first place is because you have a cut-down version of the amateur radio licence, but it's an interesting point you raise. Next time I speak to someone in authority I will ask.

phil

[speedrestriction]

In the UK the FRTOL is based on CAP 413. As far as I know the JAR Comms exams are based on ICAO requirements. There are quite a number of differences between the two.

[che turner]

formulas

Hi al
l just a small thing to put out there for you lot that have done the atpl,s ,
In my ppl exams I was aloud to take in the formulas for questions is this aloud by the CAA board or not

Thanks loads

[Whirlygig]

I don't believe it is allowed to take in formulae for either PPL or ATPL!

Cheers

Whirls

[Callsign Kilo]

ATPLs

At ATPL level I'm affraid the only things that you may bring in to the exam is your passport (always required for ID purposes), a calculator, plotting equipment (when required), CRP-5 (when required) and your Jeppesen student manual for the Flight Planning exam. The CAA supply all CAP's (for use in Mass & Balance, Performance and Flight Planning) and even give you a crappy pencil with a rubber on the end of it to use! Everything else will have to be stored upstairs in the old grey matter!

[ATPLTrainee]

Indeed, not even as though you can scibble on the blank pages of your passport or something, at silsoe i was politely reminded i wasn´t allowed the case for my CRP-5 on the table, we came up with so many possible ways of sneaking things in but were always far too scared about getting caught, try dismantling your CRP-5 and writing in pencil on the bit that can be seen only when the plastic slide is removed :op or club together with your friends and learn morse then you can tap out the question numbers and answers, we´re just a few of the possibilities we came up with, as it was we all just worked hard and learnt the stuff, which is really the whole idea. :op

[helicopter-redeye]

I remember one chap at Silsoe who, on sitting down in the exam hall, started jotting formulae from the grey matter onto his rought working paper.

Within seconds, the exam police had fallen on him and removed his rough paper. "No writing till the exam starts, laddie"

For eveybody else, there is synchronised coughing ...

h-r

[2close]

Talking of 'cheating', during one of my exams at Gatwick (Nov 06), having finished, checked and double checked the paper, I was within the last few minutes so couldn't leave the room and was just day-dreaming away merrily when I realised I was staring hard blindly at the exam paper of my neighbour who was still scrawling away.

My ticker missed a few beats as I realised what I was doing and looked at the invigilator who was staring straight at me and not in a loving, caring way!!

Even if I had seen what was on his paper or even if I'd realised I'd made a mistake in a completely unrelated sense I did not dare touch my paper or even move a muscle for that matter until the papers were collected.

2close

[coodem]

ATPL exams

Just about to embark my ATPL's and putting together a timetable for myself. But thought I would better check something, as it dont look right

I intend to do my groundschool with CATS stage 1, week comencing 17 September, then sit the exams week commencing 1 October

The groundschool covers 6 subjects HPL, AL, OPS, VFR, IFR and MET

I wish to do all the above exams in the 1st week of Oct, but this means I would have to take AL, HPL, VFR and IFR in 1 day, is there enough time. Is this the way most people do it, How long are the exams

Thanking you all in advance

[Grass strip basher]

Yes it is possible, check the CAA website for exam times as they are published on there

[Adj]

Yes it is possible to do all 14 exams in one week!
None of the exams overlap - some are simply mornings and others afternoons.
If you decide to do 4 in one day then you will simply be doing these back to back for the duration of the day.
Don't be in a rush to get them done - its far more important that you pass with a decent mark.

all the best

[JUST-local]

coodem

I did all the Thursday exams Law, HPL, VFR & IFR Comms, Law & HPL in the morning and the comms in the afternoon after a well needed break for lunch.

I also did a couple of other heavy days before that with no problems, you just need to know your stuff and have had pleanty of practise with the feedback questions.

I assume your already studying and the two weeks before the exams will be brush up stuff, you also need the application form in and the large fee by then, I'm sure CATS will arrange it all.

Good Luck.

[coodem]

While on the subject, Do you think CATS recomended study time is accurate? There seems to be so much to take in and yet they seem to think only 15 hours per week is needed.

I take you learn a lot while at the ground school.

What are/did most you guys do?