The Modular Course

[PPL152]

Hi,

I have a JAA PPL and would like to get the JAA ATPL with CPL/IR.

How am I to go for it via the modular route? what comes first, second etc?


Thanks,
PPL152

[asuweb]

Try the search function!

OR, the READ BEFORE YOU POST A QUESTION thread located right at the top.

[geraldn]

You should first do your 14 ATPL theory subjects either fulltime or distance learning.Once having passed them and having 150 hours,of which a 100 as PIC and having completed your x-country qualifying flight,your next step would be to get your CPL preferably with a multi engine rating.
You will then have to do your instrument rating and an MCC course .
Regards

[PPL152]

Anyone can thus, suggest a renowned school for modular courses?

[unfazed]

CABAIR Modular through OFT at Orlando Florida or Sebastian Florida looks like a good starting point

[geraldn]

I have done all my anti PPL training at Oxford and have no problem in recommending them.Like any school its got its -ve's & +ve's.However if i had to do it all over again(if i was a Masochist ) i would go there again.

[BlueRobin]

Just so we don't incur the wrath of the moderator (ello scroggs), take a look at the following handy reference guide he spent some time producing

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131649

I see you are in Malta? The first thing you should so is get a JAR CLass 1 medical and pass it. Then the ATPL theory comes next. What to do , i.e. full-time vs distance learning, depends on your circumstances. Will go overseas and study full-time, or stay at home and distance-learn?

[wbryce]

something i made for my website, load it and zoom in: http://www.wbryce.co.uk/ATPL.jpg - This should give the general idea....note that FI rating isn't needed but there to show the route im taking! :-)

[BlueRobin]

Nice one brycey

[paulriggers]

Modular

When going modular is it better to complete all training with one provider a la Waypoint and Pathfinder or are there any downsides to picking and choosing along the way?

I would quite like to do the Bristol GS but obviously that wouldn't fit in with the structured programmes where theory is included and I think they [OAT/CCAT] expect payment per module up front which is quite a sum and I believe I'll be able to complete my training quicker by paying as I go.

Any views appreciated.

[Captain Spam Can]

Numerous Captains have said it doesn’t matter where you do it at the end of the day it’s all the same licence. My advice to you would be to go and visit the training providers and go with the ones which you feel most comfortable with and whom you feel give the best instruction. It’s no good going to a school where you don’t feel that you fit it and there are cold atmospheres amongst the instructors which will make you want to go home and not give 100% which will affect your results. Likewise going to a school which is too laid back with no structure might frustrate you. Go with a school which you feel happy with in the learning environment and you’ll enjoy the experience more. Put all marketing and glossy brochures to one side and disregard them, talk to people who have been there. Look at Airways Flight Training in Exeter; virtually no marketing but the comments and pass rates from ex students is high which in turn gives them an excellent reputation. I went down there myself for a look and found the instructors to be all ex RAF and Airline Captains and a very warm reception was given (not connected just that it’s only one of 3 schools I’ve looked around). If you look around different schools you’ll know what’s right for you, don’t go about schools looking to see if they get you jobs as 99.9% of FATL’ers get the jobs themselves networking etc, look for instruction quality and facilities. My guess would be that a after the CPL you will probably continue the I/R with the same provider but at least you have the option of going elsewhere but belive me, Captains (including a Flight Ops Director) and F/O's all tell me it dosnt matter as long as you get the licence.

[Lucifer]

I suggest you read the pilot shortage thread on the "interviews, jobs and sponsorship" thread. Under no circumstances should you aspire to having a training record that is fragmented over many training providers, as it is key to gaining employement that you have one, easily-determined training record with a provider with a strong reputation on producing a quality end product.

My advice is to do training with one provider, and ensure that you go through the training at a speed that demonstrates that you can learn under pressure.

[Gazeem]

Piffle,
Lucifer are you fishing?
Do your training where it suits you and do not believe the spin, Bristol GS are very good, I know that first hand. My classmates now fly for BA, Easy and many others.
Gaz

[no sponsor]

At the BALPA conference recently, I spoke to Ian Cheese, who I think is the aircrew manager for Flybe, and he stated that he looked for no more than 2 different training providers in his presentation, although I had three (one for my PPL, another for the ATPL groundstudies and one for the CPL/IR/MEP) he was OK with that too - he himself went to the mighty BGS for his ATPL groundstudies.

[AlexL]

I already had a ppl and did hours on my own. Then one provider for ATPL distance learning, and a single provider for CPL / IR / ME. I would suggest that you look at least at a single provider for the post hour building flight training (I.e CPL / IR and MEP), if for no other reason than its alot less hassle and you get a continuity of training. It is also alot easier to plan and is likely to be completed alot quicker.

[Lucifer]

No Gaz - your experience is however one of experienced ex-AAC crew, which is hardly the same as ab-initio.

BGS for example, and then flying at one school only for everything above PPL - fine, but don't start using multiple flying training providers for every element of CPL, IR, ME etc.

[Gazeem]

Lucifer,
you're going to have to demote some of your imps a few levels for duff gen,
I was not or ever have been AAC, or experienced military aircrew for that matter, I was effectively an ab-initio fATPL when I got got employed.
Don't get me wrong I am not necessarily advocating modular over integrated, horses for courses but a lot of mis-information is out there.
Gaz

[Lucifer]

Apologies, I browsed your past posts, and that was what it implied. I obviously mis-read something.

[rocketboots]

so are we saying that ATPL distance learning at say BGS, CPL done overseas at fully approved CAA/JAR provider because weather allows it to be completed in 4 weeks, and then IR and MEP at another school equals no chance of a job?.

[Lucifer]

It means it makes it extremely hard.

Read this: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=244158