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Originally Posted by paradropper
Nope. Applied yesterday and got the "thank you for applying" email today. Whats your experience Tuckunder?
Exactly the same. Will rise the flag here if/when anything happens.
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Some more info available now, http://www.randhem.com/doc/Cadet_info.pdf
Seems to be a semi-sponsored TR/job placement scheme. Not sure whether €8000 is a good deal at all, considered the months of work with no/low pay that will follow after the TR.
Seems to be a semi-sponsored TR/job placement scheme. Not sure whether €8000 is a good deal at all, considered the months of work with no/low pay that will follow after the TR.
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Got the invitation letter yesterday. Now, the big question is; What on earth can we expect on the atpl questionaire? It's been almost 4 years since my atpl exams so.....
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some more info regarding the cadet programme...
Answer:
Hi
Do you know how many cadets who will be selected for the sponsored programme, and how many have you invited for the assesments?
And just out of curiosity; will the interviews be conducted in english and is it a multiple choice type of Atpl questionaire?
Do you know how many cadets who will be selected for the sponsored programme, and how many have you invited for the assesments?
And just out of curiosity; will the interviews be conducted in english and is it a multiple choice type of Atpl questionaire?
Approximately 1/4 of the candidates will be selected for the programme.
At stage three we will give you the name of the operators.
No multiple choice questions for the ATPL, you have to write in your own words.
At stage three we will give you the name of the operators.
No multiple choice questions for the ATPL, you have to write in your own words.
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the training in the USA is given by US flight instructors( for the sim and ground training.)
Only the check ride is given by a JAA examiner.
I have called the Swedish civil aviation, and they can not answer to my questions about visa issue.
recently I have read that Flight safety has problems too, and some of my friends told me they are looking to move their sim out of USA.Don't know if it is true!
Once again,for a self sponsored student, the visa waiver or tourist visa is not authorized for type ratings in the USA. M1 visa or J1 visa only.
exception:You do not need an M1 or J1 visa if you are sent by a company and you have already started your training outside of Europe.
when I say company, I mean airline. A SSTR is not an airline and getting the books at home is not what I called starting a training..
I have one friend who did his 6 landings with his airline before his training in the States, in this case, they have accepted his wisa waiver as he was sent by a company.
For self sponsored students: at this time there is no legal visa and no way to go to the USA legaly, you risk to be sent back home at the port of entrance for improper visa.you will not be the first one.
don't believe if someone tell you to go to the USA with no visa or a tourist visa to study in the USA,
a tourist visa is for tourism, it is not to learn how to fly a 20 million dollars simulator...and SSTR can not issue you an M1 visa.
contact the TSA and your US embassy if you can go to the USA on a tourist visa to learn to fly unless you want take the risk to be deported(be sure to refer PPRUNE.ORG, so everybody will laugh at you).You will probably save lot of money
( I have lost mine when the TSA after the 30 days waiting period have asked me to come with an M1 visa, what a bad surprise!!! I believed the crap on this forum, and see the result?).
Only the check ride is given by a JAA examiner.
I have called the Swedish civil aviation, and they can not answer to my questions about visa issue.
recently I have read that Flight safety has problems too, and some of my friends told me they are looking to move their sim out of USA.Don't know if it is true!
Once again,for a self sponsored student, the visa waiver or tourist visa is not authorized for type ratings in the USA. M1 visa or J1 visa only.
exception:You do not need an M1 or J1 visa if you are sent by a company and you have already started your training outside of Europe.
when I say company, I mean airline. A SSTR is not an airline and getting the books at home is not what I called starting a training..
I have one friend who did his 6 landings with his airline before his training in the States, in this case, they have accepted his wisa waiver as he was sent by a company.
For self sponsored students: at this time there is no legal visa and no way to go to the USA legaly, you risk to be sent back home at the port of entrance for improper visa.you will not be the first one.
don't believe if someone tell you to go to the USA with no visa or a tourist visa to study in the USA,
a tourist visa is for tourism, it is not to learn how to fly a 20 million dollars simulator...and SSTR can not issue you an M1 visa.
contact the TSA and your US embassy if you can go to the USA on a tourist visa to learn to fly unless you want take the risk to be deported(be sure to refer PPRUNE.ORG, so everybody will laugh at you).You will probably save lot of money
( I have lost mine when the TSA after the 30 days waiting period have asked me to come with an M1 visa, what a bad surprise!!! I believed the crap on this forum, and see the result?).
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Yep I agree with MP, I went over to Pan-Am in Miami earlier this year, filled all the TSA clearance stuff on-line took about 3-4 weeks in total and had no problems at all. Customs were great told them exactly what i was doing and they didn't bat an eyelid, had all the docs i needed..and there you go..easy...!!!
As for Randhem, can't fault them. They never promised me anything and MR has always been straight with me, nice guy....would recommend to anyone.
As for Randhem, can't fault them. They never promised me anything and MR has always been straight with me, nice guy....would recommend to anyone.
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hello,
I didn't say it is not possible to go to the USA and be trained there , I said It 's technically illegal to go to the USA for an aviation training under a B1-B2 or visa waiver program when the TSA want an M1/F1/ or J1 visa.(if they dont ask you for a student visa , they are not respecting their own procedures and the DHS laws)
I know they can not issue an M1 visa, nobody can issue legally an M1 visa for this type of training.It is not possible to be trained and be legal even if you are sent by a Swedish School.
It is a DHS problem.
Pilots who have been accepted by the TSA with no visa and went to the USA for training are just lucky .They risk to not be accepted and be sent back home by the DHS.
The TSA knows it, Schools know it, Students dont know it.
Schools are using this loophole in the system to enroll students in their course knowing that some pilots are simply turned down and will simply lose their money.
Do you think It amuses me to write this on this forum?this is now one year I am dealing with different governmental agencies who are not answering to my questions so much they are embarrased.
I have an inspector at the DHS who is working personaly on this problem, and he told me there is effectively a big problem.
And guess what? he is scandalized by this because terrorists are coming and are taking training in the USA with no visa...!
if I read the USCIS website, the law is clear, you need a visa to go for a training in the USA. they do not mention anything about visa waiver and if you say it is an upgrade , I would like to see your evidences (please,printed by a US agency and not a privat school)!
the only legal way to go to the USA for a type rating is to have an M1 visa, or be sent by an airline.
at this time, there is no legal way for an initial type rating(self sponsored) in the USA.
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Candidates seeking flight training fall into one of four categories. A brief explanation of the categories follows:
Category 1
08/25/2005] Taking flight training without an appropriate visa could be a violation of your immigration status and could result in your arrest and removal from the United States;
if you don't have a Student Visa , YOU VIOLATE the law and you can be arrested.
Again here, they say it is a flight TRAINING meaning you need a STUDENT VISA.Visa waiver and B1-B2 visa are for business or tourism...NOT FOR TRAINING
therefore, it is important that you have a visa that permits you to take flight training in the United States. If you do not possess the correct visa, or if you have questions pertaining to your visa status or the appropriate visas for flight training, please contact your local Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services at 1-800-375-5283 or at, http://www.uscis.gov or the State Department Consular Affairs Office for assistance. The AFSP will deny flight training requests from candidates who are present in the United States illegally or who do not have an appropriate visa for flight training. Fees paid for denied applications are not refundable.
Legally the DHS can deport you if they catch you in a sim with or without TSA authorisation,
Legally the school becomes illegal as you are in the USA illegally.
with or without supporting documents from your school.
whatever you do, if you are making an initial type rating in the USA, even if you are sent by a school from Europe or not. You are technically ILLEGAL and you MAY be prosecuted, arrested, interrogated, investigated, deported, and banned from the USA!!!!!!!
(they won't, because you have money invested in a US business and USA is corrupted!!!)
everything is printed black on white!
I didn't say it is not possible to go to the USA and be trained there , I said It 's technically illegal to go to the USA for an aviation training under a B1-B2 or visa waiver program when the TSA want an M1/F1/ or J1 visa.(if they dont ask you for a student visa , they are not respecting their own procedures and the DHS laws)
I know they can not issue an M1 visa, nobody can issue legally an M1 visa for this type of training.It is not possible to be trained and be legal even if you are sent by a Swedish School.
It is a DHS problem.
Pilots who have been accepted by the TSA with no visa and went to the USA for training are just lucky .They risk to not be accepted and be sent back home by the DHS.
The TSA knows it, Schools know it, Students dont know it.
Schools are using this loophole in the system to enroll students in their course knowing that some pilots are simply turned down and will simply lose their money.
Do you think It amuses me to write this on this forum?this is now one year I am dealing with different governmental agencies who are not answering to my questions so much they are embarrased.
I have an inspector at the DHS who is working personaly on this problem, and he told me there is effectively a big problem.
And guess what? he is scandalized by this because terrorists are coming and are taking training in the USA with no visa...!
if I read the USCIS website, the law is clear, you need a visa to go for a training in the USA. they do not mention anything about visa waiver and if you say it is an upgrade , I would like to see your evidences (please,printed by a US agency and not a privat school)!
the only legal way to go to the USA for a type rating is to have an M1 visa, or be sent by an airline.
at this time, there is no legal way for an initial type rating(self sponsored) in the USA.
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Candidates seeking flight training fall into one of four categories. A brief explanation of the categories follows:
Category 1
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- Candidates who seek flight training in the operation of aircraft with a maximum certified takeoff weight greater than 12,500 pounds but do not fall into Category 2.
08/25/2005] Taking flight training without an appropriate visa could be a violation of your immigration status and could result in your arrest and removal from the United States;
if you don't have a Student Visa , YOU VIOLATE the law and you can be arrested.
Again here, they say it is a flight TRAINING meaning you need a STUDENT VISA.Visa waiver and B1-B2 visa are for business or tourism...NOT FOR TRAINING
therefore, it is important that you have a visa that permits you to take flight training in the United States. If you do not possess the correct visa, or if you have questions pertaining to your visa status or the appropriate visas for flight training, please contact your local Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services at 1-800-375-5283 or at, http://www.uscis.gov or the State Department Consular Affairs Office for assistance. The AFSP will deny flight training requests from candidates who are present in the United States illegally or who do not have an appropriate visa for flight training. Fees paid for denied applications are not refundable.
Legally the DHS can deport you if they catch you in a sim with or without TSA authorisation,
Legally the school becomes illegal as you are in the USA illegally.
with or without supporting documents from your school.
whatever you do, if you are making an initial type rating in the USA, even if you are sent by a school from Europe or not. You are technically ILLEGAL and you MAY be prosecuted, arrested, interrogated, investigated, deported, and banned from the USA!!!!!!!
(they won't, because you have money invested in a US business and USA is corrupted!!!)
everything is printed black on white!
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Mercenary Pilot,
that's what I said: whatever you do ,you are illegal, because there is no way to get an m1 visa...if I could get an M1 visa, I would have asked for one.
All Students who has been turned down bhy the TSA are really pissed off. But this is a warning to all of you seeking training in the USA, It is a risky business and it is illegal...
please stop with your bla bla of vocational training (is that a new invention of a swedish school or, have you received a mail printed by the INS telling it is a vocational course??, in this case, this form is not valid since 2002(huh?) ) . The real and the only existing text says it is a training, NOT A VOCATIONAL TRAINING.
I know 100 pilots too with no visa and who did their training in the USA with no visa(this is what schools tell you, and you are right, many pilots still use this loophole in the US law).
Some of these students should not even be in the USA, some have already entered the USA by this way , maybe to put bombs in planes, this is why I don't understand the attitude of the TSA who lets enter anybody(except for some pilots ...).
I am more upset by this, than by my situation. If one of these terrorists guys can crash a plane and we discover he did a training in a sim in the USA, it will be finished for all of us!!
they are more concerned by mexican crossing illegaly the border(visa waiver???), than to know who is trained on heavy aicraft simulators...
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pratically you don't need one.
but READ THIS 1000 TIMES, and you will see that your 20 people from Europe are illegally in the USA.
therefore, it is important that you have a visa that permits you to take flight training in the United States. If you do not possess the correct visa, or if you have questions pertaining to your visa status or the appropriate visas for flight training, please contact your local Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services at 1-800-375-5283 or at, http://www.uscis.gov or the State Department Consular Affairs Office for assistance. The AFSP will deny flight training requests from candidates who are present in the United States illegally or who do not have an appropriate visa for flight training. Fees paid for denied applications are not refundable.
that's what I said: whatever you do ,you are illegal, because there is no way to get an m1 visa...if I could get an M1 visa, I would have asked for one.
All Students who has been turned down bhy the TSA are really pissed off. But this is a warning to all of you seeking training in the USA, It is a risky business and it is illegal...
please stop with your bla bla of vocational training (is that a new invention of a swedish school or, have you received a mail printed by the INS telling it is a vocational course??, in this case, this form is not valid since 2002(huh?) ) . The real and the only existing text says it is a training, NOT A VOCATIONAL TRAINING.
I know 100 pilots too with no visa and who did their training in the USA with no visa(this is what schools tell you, and you are right, many pilots still use this loophole in the US law).
Some of these students should not even be in the USA, some have already entered the USA by this way , maybe to put bombs in planes, this is why I don't understand the attitude of the TSA who lets enter anybody(except for some pilots ...).
I am more upset by this, than by my situation. If one of these terrorists guys can crash a plane and we discover he did a training in a sim in the USA, it will be finished for all of us!!
they are more concerned by mexican crossing illegaly the border(visa waiver???), than to know who is trained on heavy aicraft simulators...
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but READ THIS 1000 TIMES, and you will see that your 20 people from Europe are illegally in the USA.
therefore, it is important that you have a visa that permits you to take flight training in the United States. If you do not possess the correct visa, or if you have questions pertaining to your visa status or the appropriate visas for flight training, please contact your local Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services at 1-800-375-5283 or at, http://www.uscis.gov or the State Department Consular Affairs Office for assistance. The AFSP will deny flight training requests from candidates who are present in the United States illegally or who do not have an appropriate visa for flight training. Fees paid for denied applications are not refundable.
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The training at Randhem is done by US instructors that are certified JAA instructors by the Swedish CAA, the examiner may also be a US guy certified as a JAA examiner by the Swedish CAA. Upon completion of the course, you are provided with a copy of each of their certifications to provide to your home country CAA for the purpose of licensing. There is no license of any kind given by Randhem, PanAm or the FAA upon completion of the course in Miami.
again, i recommend their type rating program!
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again, i recommend their type rating program!
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