DID OXFORD FIRE BEST INSTRUCTOR ????
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: .
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think there is a somewhat inaccurate picture about the dedication of instructors at OAT posted here. Fact is, most of them are highly capable individuals (bar a few notable exceptions) and make sure you do get through the exams. It is also evident that most of the exceptions have a RAF background and somehow think we're still in the days of conscription and treat students accordingly.
The individual in question here that was fired was just a particularly outstanding instructor, extremely good and knowledgeable, and always went far beyond the call of duty to ensure his students would get the best possible result. I would even go as far as saying he was the only one that genuinely cared.
OATS, as microfilter says, on the whole is overrated and I'm sure that other places will offer similarly good training. However, I didn't go looking for anything other than ATPL exam passes and so far they seem to have come up with the goods, albeit with a lot of help from the Bristol database, the best €72 I've spent so far on ATPL training.
The individual in question here that was fired was just a particularly outstanding instructor, extremely good and knowledgeable, and always went far beyond the call of duty to ensure his students would get the best possible result. I would even go as far as saying he was the only one that genuinely cared.
OATS, as microfilter says, on the whole is overrated and I'm sure that other places will offer similarly good training. However, I didn't go looking for anything other than ATPL exam passes and so far they seem to have come up with the goods, albeit with a lot of help from the Bristol database, the best €72 I've spent so far on ATPL training.
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: uk
Posts: 1,224
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
mercenary pilot
By cheating? Thats what it boils down to really
Speaking of which, I found the bristol QB a very useful tool in the preparation to my finals, however I just don't know how bristol do it. Their QB if not identical is virtually identical word for word to the Q's in the JAA finals. Could using the Br QB thus be considered as "cheating" as we know in advance the questions and answers? In my opinion it is not as I think the JAA exams would be nigh on impossible without the use of feedback and an important part of preparation for any exam is practicing past papers be it for A levels, GCSE's, degree exams etc.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: エリア88
Posts: 1,031
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I just don't know how Bristol do it
Could using the Br QB thus be considered as "cheating" as we know in advance the questions and answers?
Before this CD, students had practice papers made up from questions remembered by other students from other exams, hence the term "feedback". I remember swapping big tesco bags full of papers with pilots from other schools.
However I'm glad Bristol have done this. It was totally unfair that some students had access to the CD while others didn’t. A little while ago, I was speaking with the head of ground training at the CAA (BW) and he said categorically that anyone found with this CD would be prosecuted and removed from the exams but as far as I know this has never happened.
Last edited by Mercenary Pilot; 29th Jun 2006 at 08:03.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I thought just about everyone had the CD these days? It has been floating around my brush ups (not with Bristol by the way) and we were all taking a copy. My school has a copy but won't admit it publicly so it would be interesting to see what stance the CAA would take in prosecuting as they might not have any ground schools left! Its even on ebay if you want to splash out a few quid. Did I look at it - nope, not enough time. I just relied on feedback and the Bristol ATP website. As far as I know the CD of the Italian database has some bung answers in it as well so you need to be careful if you just use that as your revision tool. These have been corrected in the QB that the CAA use largely through the appeals process.
As to how Bristol keeps up to date with feedback it is quite simple. Its a pure numbers game. They have so many people taking the exams each month and updating them that they keep on top of the game. I was speaking to some Bristol guys after a sitting at Gatwick and they had turned the whole feedback process into a science. Each of them were responsible for remembering about 10 questions in the bigger exams and as soon as they got out of the exam they wrote them down and them phoned them through. Ingenious really.
As an aside want to know how to spot a Bristol peep? Well they will be the ones that are out of an exam inside 20 minutes
Remember you can't beat the system so learn how to play it.
As to how Bristol keeps up to date with feedback it is quite simple. Its a pure numbers game. They have so many people taking the exams each month and updating them that they keep on top of the game. I was speaking to some Bristol guys after a sitting at Gatwick and they had turned the whole feedback process into a science. Each of them were responsible for remembering about 10 questions in the bigger exams and as soon as they got out of the exam they wrote them down and them phoned them through. Ingenious really.
As an aside want to know how to spot a Bristol peep? Well they will be the ones that are out of an exam inside 20 minutes
Remember you can't beat the system so learn how to play it.
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: Suffolk UK
Posts: 4,927
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Before anyone tries this again, it is not acceptable to name names on this forum unless they are already in the public domain. Just think for a minute how you would feel if your name came up in a controversial discussion on here, particularly if the facts were being incorrectly reported.
You demand anonimity for yourselves; allow the same courtesy to others
Scroggs
You demand anonimity for yourselves; allow the same courtesy to others
Scroggs
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: uk
Posts: 1,224
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
pkb
As to how Bristol keeps up to date with feedback it is quite simple. Its a pure numbers game. They have so many people taking the exams each month and updating them that they keep on top of the game. I was speaking to some Bristol guys after a sitting at Gatwick and they had turned the whole feedback process into a science. Each of them were responsible for remembering about 10 questions in the bigger exams and as soon as they got out of the exam they wrote them down and them phoned them through. Ingenious really.
In effect this is like buying a pirate DVD from a car boot sale, we are paying £50 for Br QB for material that has been effectively "stolen" from the JAA exams (intelectual property).
The CAA/JAA must be happy for this practice to exist and everything is above board. Maybe the CAA get a cut from Bristol for using their intelectual property and thus it provides even more cash for them, just a theory lol.
I did find it very useful in my prep, if the CAA were to copyright the questions they could then earn a great deal from various outlets of feedback.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,114
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry should have made myself clearer mr negative. The students take it upon themselves to provide the school with feedback as they generally feel that they have benefited from the hard work of others before them and so return the favour. As far as I know there is no pressure on students to remember questions and report back although a number of people will. They have so many people doing the exams each month that it only needs a few to call back and keep the process going. Personally my mind has gone pretty much blank once I am out but there you go.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: UK
Age: 38
Posts: 140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Its been said before, the CD in question was NOT the primary reason for the dismissal.
It was a little more to do with guided revision. Some of you will know what Im talking about, others wont.
As for the comments about school finals, well thats pure bull
hit Im afraid. Would you rather fail your JAAs first time round, or do some practice papers first, to get a rough idea of how you will do, and then consequently put in the extra work/effort as required, in order to get 14 FIRST time passes?
The school finals I sat at OAT were without doubt, harder than the JAA exams themselves.
It was a little more to do with guided revision. Some of you will know what Im talking about, others wont.
As for the comments about school finals, well thats pure bull
hit Im afraid. Would you rather fail your JAAs first time round, or do some practice papers first, to get a rough idea of how you will do, and then consequently put in the extra work/effort as required, in order to get 14 FIRST time passes?The school finals I sat at OAT were without doubt, harder than the JAA exams themselves.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: .
Posts: 128
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
dlav what are you on about? The guided revision was a real help in making sure that the ridiculous excuse for exam preparation, aka test 1/2 & school finals, which bear NO RESEMBLANCE to the real exams, were done as hassle free as possible. The last thing you need before exams is someone preaching about how you'd need to up your work rate. I for one know exactly what I'm capable of and what my shortcomings are WITHOUT school exams and would be far better off staying at home revising on my own, rather than wasting nearly a week of precious revision time.
I don't think the school finals are harder than the real exams because they don't represent an accurate model of what awaits you in the exam room. The lecturer in question knew this and just wanted to make the process of getting through them easier.
I don't think the school finals are harder than the real exams because they don't represent an accurate model of what awaits you in the exam room. The lecturer in question knew this and just wanted to make the process of getting through them easier.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Poole
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
A lot of inaccuracies!!
Hi All,
I'm currently at OAT studying my phase 2 subjects and thought i ought to post my opinion of what has been written here.
The instructor in question is a great guy and a very good instructor and i wish him all the best with whatever he chooses to do now, Rock on Dude! However, i can't believe the amount of negative things being said about the other ground school instructors. The vast majority of the instructors have to date been extremely helpful. They are willing to offer extra tuition whenever required, they are always available to answer queries, they offer their honest advice about how best to pass the exams, and do their best to make sure that you actually understand the subject itself as well as the particular types of questions that you can expect to be faced with in the exams. Instructors have different ideas about how best to teach us but they all have the same very clear goal and that is to ensure that we all pass and get the highest marks possible. They also try and make the learning experience as enjoyable as possible and remove the stress out of what is an extremely stressful experience. I've never seen any evidence of an 'RAF conspiracy!!' Just a good bunch of guys giving great instruction.
There are no secret batches of questions that we are handed by instructors and told to guard with our lives! We are given sets of questions that are either made up by the instructors to ensure that we know the syllabus or they are feedback questions that have been gathered from other students. I have not heard of students rushing off to other groundschools as there is neither the time nor the need. The various different databases of 'feedback' are virtually identical and pretty much all hail from the same original source.
I believe that Oxford do their very best to get all of their students jobs, of course they do, otherwise nobody would come here! Obviously their ability to get someone a job is determined by that persons performance in exams etc. Certain airlines have certain stipulations so not every candidate will be suitable!
To anybody considering coming to Oxford, come to one of the open days, get on the Oxford Aviation Training Forum, and don't believe everything you read on threads like this. I've been here just over 4 months now and so far so good!
I am by no means the most intelligent bloke in my class, in fact to be honest i am one of the less academically gifted (as you can probably tell by this post!!), however i've just passed the first 7 exams first time with an average of 90% so Oxford must be doing something right!
Feel free to contact me if you want any advice etc
I'm currently at OAT studying my phase 2 subjects and thought i ought to post my opinion of what has been written here.
The instructor in question is a great guy and a very good instructor and i wish him all the best with whatever he chooses to do now, Rock on Dude! However, i can't believe the amount of negative things being said about the other ground school instructors. The vast majority of the instructors have to date been extremely helpful. They are willing to offer extra tuition whenever required, they are always available to answer queries, they offer their honest advice about how best to pass the exams, and do their best to make sure that you actually understand the subject itself as well as the particular types of questions that you can expect to be faced with in the exams. Instructors have different ideas about how best to teach us but they all have the same very clear goal and that is to ensure that we all pass and get the highest marks possible. They also try and make the learning experience as enjoyable as possible and remove the stress out of what is an extremely stressful experience. I've never seen any evidence of an 'RAF conspiracy!!' Just a good bunch of guys giving great instruction.
There are no secret batches of questions that we are handed by instructors and told to guard with our lives! We are given sets of questions that are either made up by the instructors to ensure that we know the syllabus or they are feedback questions that have been gathered from other students. I have not heard of students rushing off to other groundschools as there is neither the time nor the need. The various different databases of 'feedback' are virtually identical and pretty much all hail from the same original source.
I believe that Oxford do their very best to get all of their students jobs, of course they do, otherwise nobody would come here! Obviously their ability to get someone a job is determined by that persons performance in exams etc. Certain airlines have certain stipulations so not every candidate will be suitable!
To anybody considering coming to Oxford, come to one of the open days, get on the Oxford Aviation Training Forum, and don't believe everything you read on threads like this. I've been here just over 4 months now and so far so good!
I am by no means the most intelligent bloke in my class, in fact to be honest i am one of the less academically gifted (as you can probably tell by this post!!), however i've just passed the first 7 exams first time with an average of 90% so Oxford must be doing something right!
Feel free to contact me if you want any advice etc
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
alknibbs
4 months pahh !! you wait til you've been messed around in the states, messed around back for IR then messed around with MCC and fed a load of dubious rubbish about job prospects.
actually I agree with you alot of the way on groundschool, the majority of instructers are as you say, management is another matter - actually are you management maquarading as a student
yes all potential OAT students should get a copy of the glossy brochure at least for amusement value, during the weeks we were grounded due to broken a/c or skrewed up ops or some senile idiot forgetting to get an a/c back on time... we used to amuse ourselves in the crew room by counting the amount of blatent spin points in the latest edition.
also definitely go to the open day and listen to all the bluff, I mean Bush and Blair av nothing on these guys,
and by the way don't eat the free lunch, unless you want to barf
4 months pahh !! you wait til you've been messed around in the states, messed around back for IR then messed around with MCC and fed a load of dubious rubbish about job prospects.
actually I agree with you alot of the way on groundschool, the majority of instructers are as you say, management is another matter - actually are you management maquarading as a student
yes all potential OAT students should get a copy of the glossy brochure at least for amusement value, during the weeks we were grounded due to broken a/c or skrewed up ops or some senile idiot forgetting to get an a/c back on time... we used to amuse ourselves in the crew room by counting the amount of blatent spin points in the latest edition.
also definitely go to the open day and listen to all the bluff, I mean Bush and Blair av nothing on these guys,
and by the way don't eat the free lunch, unless you want to barf
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Problem is with this discussion is that of course it is highly subjective but in my experience the teaching at OX (apart from a handful of notable exceptions) ranges from poor to moderate. Many lecturers need urgent remedial tuition on how to teach because they obviously haven't a clue- sometimes it was embarrassing to witness. At the end of the day, all you want is the exams and never to see the place again, and if you achieve that, who gives a ? If you are wavering at all about choosing somewhere to study- there are a lot of good guys in other schools- check them out- read some of the other stories on here- Wee Weasley Welsh for example- (is that great thread still around?) and if you don't have the magical access to £60,000, had to earn it yourself or if every penny counts- give Ox a wide berth, save your cash and get BRISTOL DATABASE......
? If you are wavering at all about choosing somewhere to study- there are a lot of good guys in other schools- check them out- read some of the other stories on here- Wee Weasley Welsh for example- (is that great thread still around?) and if you don't have the magical access to £60,000, had to earn it yourself or if every penny counts- give Ox a wide berth, save your cash and get BRISTOL DATABASE......
Last edited by microfilter; 29th Jun 2006 at 20:12.
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Ask Crewing
Posts: 140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I must say this post is getting ridiculous.
The instructor in question was undoubtedly a great guy, always willing to go the extra mile, and cared passionately about the students. Rock on Dude!. However, he was also under no illusion that some of his practices were against OAT's rules. Every company has rules, and every employee is required to abide by them or face the consequences.
As for the suggestions that all of the remaining instructors are not up to scratch and don't care about student - that is complete and utter bull!!
All of the instructors I've experienced are more than willing to help students whenever they are struggling with a subject.
As for internal tests - I can't believe all the negativity towards them. Would you rather go into the JAA exams without having done any mock exams? I know I wouldn't. Yes, these internals (especially School Finals) put you under pressure, but I'm afraid the industry that we are entering requires you to be able to perform with a certain amount of pressure. Yes, feedback has its place, but there are certain subject where it is more beneficial to actually understand the material, rather than just knowing that it's answer "c".
Anyone that is considering attending OAT, don't believe all of the crap that is posted on here. Go to a seminar, visit the school, sit in on lessons, and talk to the students there. It's also important to visit other schools so that you can make a sound and informed decision.
The instructor in question was undoubtedly a great guy, always willing to go the extra mile, and cared passionately about the students. Rock on Dude!. However, he was also under no illusion that some of his practices were against OAT's rules. Every company has rules, and every employee is required to abide by them or face the consequences.
As for the suggestions that all of the remaining instructors are not up to scratch and don't care about student - that is complete and utter bull
!!All of the instructors I've experienced are more than willing to help students whenever they are struggling with a subject.
As for internal tests - I can't believe all the negativity towards them. Would you rather go into the JAA exams without having done any mock exams? I know I wouldn't. Yes, these internals (especially School Finals) put you under pressure, but I'm afraid the industry that we are entering requires you to be able to perform with a certain amount of pressure. Yes, feedback has its place, but there are certain subject where it is more beneficial to actually understand the material, rather than just knowing that it's answer "c".
Anyone that is considering attending OAT, don't believe all of the crap that is posted on here. Go to a seminar, visit the school, sit in on lessons, and talk to the students there. It's also important to visit other schools so that you can make a sound and informed decision.
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Unfortunately your informed decision will only become informed once its too late. CHECK ELSEWHERE if money is tight. These are FACTS: Some Oxford antics are : abandoning lessons because can't be bothered (unbeliveable); habitually turning up late; poor teaching and learning strategies; telling stories for 75% of the lesson then finishing with 5 minutes teaching- depends what you're used to I guess....
However, if you get the 14 exams at the end- who cares how you got them?
However, if you get the 14 exams at the end- who cares how you got them?
Last edited by microfilter; 29th Jun 2006 at 21:54.
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: LUTON
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by PEDRO241
ALL OAT STUDENTS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME OAT STUDENTS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
the same goes for the way they treat their instructors i.e. what they can get away with....
the same goes for the way they treat their instructors i.e. what they can get away with....
Succeed through our experience? Pull the other one!
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RUDEDOG
you speak to my heart, congrats on getting your job, feels good doesn't it - esspecially to do it without any help at all from the OAT "selection board"
seems selection boards concentrate on - are you a clone who fits into OAT's subjective idea of what every pilot should be, and have you taken all the crap OAT hurl at you for 18 months and still come out with a smile on your face saying 'thanks so much for doing me a favour'
considering suggesting to the clowns that they change their slogans to
Succeed DESPITE our interference, or 'Bills before flight'
or my favourite...
'Oxford Aviation, We sell dreams for cash'
you speak to my heart, congrats on getting your job, feels good doesn't it - esspecially to do it without any help at all from the OAT "selection board"
seems selection boards concentrate on - are you a clone who fits into OAT's subjective idea of what every pilot should be, and have you taken all the crap OAT hurl at you for 18 months and still come out with a smile on your face saying 'thanks so much for doing me a favour'
considering suggesting to the clowns that they change their slogans to
Succeed DESPITE our interference, or 'Bills before flight'
or my favourite...
'Oxford Aviation, We sell dreams for cash'
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Scunthorpe
Posts: 51
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Bravo pedro and rudedog- I see you are amongst the 'free thinkers'! You should have seen the Cold War fossils dug up to conduct my integrated 'selection'- you're quite right- they love the clones and the guys who keep their mouths shut and just soldier- still, if you wave 70 large in their face- who is going to say no? I hear that the 'all-new' WAYPOINT scheme at Ox has since dropped its initial 'selection process' and qualification criteria......amazing how the requirements drop as the shareholders bay for dividends eh?
Last edited by microfilter; 29th Jun 2006 at 21:54.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: UK
Age: 38
Posts: 140
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
NS - you do what you want mate, I'll stick to making sure that Im prepared for the exams. Seems logical to me. I went from a 75 average in the test 1s, 83 in test2s and finally a 91average in the JAAs. I couldnt have done it unless I was able to sit a mock exam in order to sniff out my weak areas. Fair enought it might not work for you, but it did for me and many others, thats the point im trying to raise.
As for the rest of you, I can only comment on the ground school, and like I said before, its absolutely superb. But no doubt some of you will only preach what you want to hear, thats fair enough I guess, but at least take the time to do abit of research and look at the first time passes OAT gets in the JAAs, before making such ridiculous statements like:
Wake up lads, I mean seriously, if your going to make up bull****, at least try and make it a little bit more believeable 
No doubt theres going to be a wave of abuse thrown back at me, but some of the stuff on here is just complete lies, I know it, and so do the rest of you.
As for the rest of you, I can only comment on the ground school, and like I said before, its absolutely superb. But no doubt some of you will only preach what you want to hear, thats fair enough I guess, but at least take the time to do abit of research and look at the first time passes OAT gets in the JAAs, before making such ridiculous statements like:
These are FACTS: Some Oxford antics are : abandoning lessons because can't be bothered (unbeliveable); habitually turning up late; poor teaching and learning strategies; telling stories for 75% of the lesson then finishing with 5 minutes teaching- depends what you're used to I guess....
No doubt theres going to be a wave of abuse thrown back at me, but some of the stuff on here is just complete lies, I know it, and so do the rest of you.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Poole
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Bitter People?!
People warned me about posting on PPrune saying that there are a lot of negative people out there who post a lot of rubbish! Just got to say thanks to some of you for proving them right.
Just worked out that i've now attended 452 lectures to date and so far the instructors have managed to attend every single one without failure. I can count on one hand the amount of times instructors have been more than a couple of minutes late and several of those times they have just been delayed in another class answering questions that students had.
I love the way that just because something didn't work out for someone then it must be crap, i wish i was as 'free-thinking' as that! I'm no 'corporate clone', I'm just someone who feels that actually they are getting their moneys worth from OAT. I work hard, they work hard, i get good results, they get good statistics. They are a business and I'm a customer, i hopefully get what i want and they then get what they want which is a success story that encourages otheres to come. In order for somewhere like OAT to of been as successful as they have been for as long as they have been it can't all be 'marketing spin', there have to be facts to back it up. The bottom line is OAT is not cheap but you get what you pay for and that is great instruction, great guidance about the exams, and help getting a job from people who do actually care. If students were not successful then people would stop coming, is that not obvious?
Someone mentioned that there are poor teaching and learning strategies. I always thought that teaching you the syllabus, testing you to ensure that you understand the material, explaining to you how your knowledge will be tested, and trying to remain personable and ensure that the lessons are as enjoyable as possible was a good teaching method. Feel free to expand on how you would improve things, maybe you could set up your own groundschool and you could all be the instructors?! Apparently you only need a little bit of 'marketing spin' and the 'idiots' will be paying top dollar to join!
The instructor in question is a great bloke and i wish him all the best in his new job in my home town, might even pop in and see him! I'm sure he'd be very amused to read the majority of stuff being written on here!
Let's try and stick to the facts as there are people reading this who are trying to make a very important decision as to where to study. In my opinion OAT is great but I'm only speaking for myself, obviously some people will not not enjoy the experience. Each school has its merits, so get all the information you can before making your decision. If i had to make my decision again i wouldn't hesitate in coming here. To the people with the negative Oxford comments, maybe it would be more helpful if you could actually suggest to prospective students where else would be better and why?
Just worked out that i've now attended 452 lectures to date and so far the instructors have managed to attend every single one without failure. I can count on one hand the amount of times instructors have been more than a couple of minutes late and several of those times they have just been delayed in another class answering questions that students had.
I love the way that just because something didn't work out for someone then it must be crap, i wish i was as 'free-thinking' as that! I'm no 'corporate clone', I'm just someone who feels that actually they are getting their moneys worth from OAT. I work hard, they work hard, i get good results, they get good statistics. They are a business and I'm a customer, i hopefully get what i want and they then get what they want which is a success story that encourages otheres to come. In order for somewhere like OAT to of been as successful as they have been for as long as they have been it can't all be 'marketing spin', there have to be facts to back it up. The bottom line is OAT is not cheap but you get what you pay for and that is great instruction, great guidance about the exams, and help getting a job from people who do actually care. If students were not successful then people would stop coming, is that not obvious?
Someone mentioned that there are poor teaching and learning strategies. I always thought that teaching you the syllabus, testing you to ensure that you understand the material, explaining to you how your knowledge will be tested, and trying to remain personable and ensure that the lessons are as enjoyable as possible was a good teaching method. Feel free to expand on how you would improve things, maybe you could set up your own groundschool and you could all be the instructors?! Apparently you only need a little bit of 'marketing spin' and the 'idiots' will be paying top dollar to join!
The instructor in question is a great bloke and i wish him all the best in his new job in my home town, might even pop in and see him! I'm sure he'd be very amused to read the majority of stuff being written on here!
Let's try and stick to the facts as there are people reading this who are trying to make a very important decision as to where to study. In my opinion OAT is great but I'm only speaking for myself, obviously some people will not not enjoy the experience. Each school has its merits, so get all the information you can before making your decision. If i had to make my decision again i wouldn't hesitate in coming here. To the people with the negative Oxford comments, maybe it would be more helpful if you could actually suggest to prospective students where else would be better and why?