Ari-Ben Aviator
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Hello all
Thank you for your replys. Pinky95 you wrote
I cannot find any JAA training on their website. Do you have a link?`
Jannik
Thank you for your replys. Pinky95 you wrote
i agree with Big Dick on panamacademy i've been there training although not in a FAA program, but with the KLM flight academy JAA program
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I Recently contacted panamacademy and here is the reply i recieved:
Thank you for your interest in JAR training programmes
at Pan Am. As of this time, we have discontinued all
JAR training programmes. At present, we do not offer
any JAR, CAA or JAA approved courses. Should we decide
to move forward with a new programme for the JAR market,
you can be certain that we will publish the details on
our website and notify you via e-mail as soon as they
become available
Thank you for your interest in JAR training programmes
at Pan Am. As of this time, we have discontinued all
JAR training programmes. At present, we do not offer
any JAR, CAA or JAA approved courses. Should we decide
to move forward with a new programme for the JAR market,
you can be certain that we will publish the details on
our website and notify you via e-mail as soon as they
become available
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Ari Ben Aviator
Anyone familiar with this outfit?
They offer a spectacular deal for FAA IR/200 multi hours/commercial/all instructor ratings, plus a J-1 instucting opportunity.
Looks too good to be true. Is it?
PS - I am aware that under JAA, P2 hours can't be logged in the same manner as the FAA for single pilot aeroplanes - just in case anyone was going to point that out.
They offer a spectacular deal for FAA IR/200 multi hours/commercial/all instructor ratings, plus a J-1 instucting opportunity.
Looks too good to be true. Is it?
PS - I am aware that under JAA, P2 hours can't be logged in the same manner as the FAA for single pilot aeroplanes - just in case anyone was going to point that out.
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Have you searched Google for them. I only say this because when I did around 6 months ago all I got was a bunch of NTSB reports. I believe that they were based in Texas originaly and were rumoured to have moved to Florida for reasons I can not confirm so won't mention here. With that in mind I choose not to go there as their hour building package was not as competative as it first seemed (for UK pilots for the reasons you mentioned).
Having said that I know two satisfied customers who had nothing but praise for them, their only slightly negative comments were that hour building pilots took second place to their regular students and that they generaly had to do their flying at night.
They operate (or used to not that long ago at least) Dutcheses and these guys reported that they were picked them up from Orlando airport and even had very cheap accomadation arranged for them.
Having said that I know two satisfied customers who had nothing but praise for them, their only slightly negative comments were that hour building pilots took second place to their regular students and that they generaly had to do their flying at night.
They operate (or used to not that long ago at least) Dutcheses and these guys reported that they were picked them up from Orlando airport and even had very cheap accomadation arranged for them.
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Hi,
I visited Ari Ben Aviator in 1995 and had a look at their operations. At that time they were based in Addison ("small" class D airfield in the northern part of Dallas TX). During my visit I had also a meeting with their chief instructor and their manager ( the one who pointed out in all their pubs that he was a FAA gold seal instructor ;-))
Their operations looked very overcrowded. All their students met in their pilot lounge, gathered around an old pc to find out when they have to fly the day.
All in all I have had not such a good impression. They were up for your money (like all others too). I talked to some of their students and instructors and I had not a good feeling about this company.
I visited Ari Ben Aviator in 1995 and had a look at their operations. At that time they were based in Addison ("small" class D airfield in the northern part of Dallas TX). During my visit I had also a meeting with their chief instructor and their manager ( the one who pointed out in all their pubs that he was a FAA gold seal instructor ;-))
Their operations looked very overcrowded. All their students met in their pilot lounge, gathered around an old pc to find out when they have to fly the day.
All in all I have had not such a good impression. They were up for your money (like all others too). I talked to some of their students and instructors and I had not a good feeling about this company.
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I did the multi engine add-on to my Commercial/instrument at the end of 1999 after they had moved to Ft Pierce and didn't have any problems.
Accounting was straight forward, just stay in credit and no problems getting any balance back at the end.
As for hours builders taking second place and having to mostly fly at night, I have heard similar but can't remember who from. I don't think it was anyone who actually flew there.
Accounting was straight forward, just stay in credit and no problems getting any balance back at the end.
As for hours builders taking second place and having to mostly fly at night, I have heard similar but can't remember who from. I don't think it was anyone who actually flew there.
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Hello everyone,
I just visited Ari Ben Aviator and European Flight Training 13 days ago. Both schools are locatated in Ft. Pirece, Florida, and in the same building.
The Prices at these schools are very cheap. Right now you can buy 100ME time for just 5500$ which i think is cheap. A student I spoke to at Ari Ben did confirm to me that most hourbuilders get to fly in the night, because they were extremely busy right now.
the schools are cheap but their planes and facilities are very worn down. I guess thats why the training is cheap.
Best of wishes to you all......
I just visited Ari Ben Aviator and European Flight Training 13 days ago. Both schools are locatated in Ft. Pirece, Florida, and in the same building.
The Prices at these schools are very cheap. Right now you can buy 100ME time for just 5500$ which i think is cheap. A student I spoke to at Ari Ben did confirm to me that most hourbuilders get to fly in the night, because they were extremely busy right now.
the schools are cheap but their planes and facilities are very worn down. I guess thats why the training is cheap.
Best of wishes to you all......
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the 100 hours of multi engine at 5500 bucks by ariben are with 2 pilots, usually with a cfi/Mei on the right seat who log MEI pic .
a FAA examiner and a cpl student pilot crashed and the examiner died in a Be76 Duchess and they moved to Stuart in 1998.that s the true story.the said the town wanted their building back!
so guys, your hours are not recognized by your CAA but by the FAA only.
Sorry!too good to be true!
a FAA examiner and a cpl student pilot crashed and the examiner died in a Be76 Duchess and they moved to Stuart in 1998.that s the true story.the said the town wanted their building back!
so guys, your hours are not recognized by your CAA but by the FAA only.
Sorry!too good to be true!
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I knew Mr. Bernier who was killed in that tragic accident. From what I know they were planning on moving before this happened.
Gorky, what makes you say this was the reason for the move to FL? Your profile says you are a chief pilot AND that you are current on FS2002!?
I have no idea what the school is like today, but it used to be a very good one. Are Mike & TJ still there?
Gorky, what makes you say this was the reason for the move to FL? Your profile says you are a chief pilot AND that you are current on FS2002!?
I have no idea what the school is like today, but it used to be a very good one. Are Mike & TJ still there?
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Gin Slinger
If you are looking for structure then go to a FAA part 141 school.
If you are looking for a club, more laid back feeling then train under part 61.
All 141 school can train under 61. Part 61 basically means that there is an instructor there that will complete the PPL requirements, but in his order preference.
If you want a list of US 141 schools then go the the FAA web site where they are all listed.
In addition, should you be looking for classroom style you are more likely to find this at a 141 school. Part 61 tends to be one on one.
Good luck
If you are looking for structure then go to a FAA part 141 school.
If you are looking for a club, more laid back feeling then train under part 61.
All 141 school can train under 61. Part 61 basically means that there is an instructor there that will complete the PPL requirements, but in his order preference.
If you want a list of US 141 schools then go the the FAA web site where they are all listed.
In addition, should you be looking for classroom style you are more likely to find this at a 141 school. Part 61 tends to be one on one.
Good luck
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Facts: thanks - it seems FAR 61 tends to be cheaper, even at a 141 school.
Anyone got any recommendations?
I've been pointed towards Phoenix East Aviation at Daytona Beach FL - any second opinions?
Anyone got any recommendations?
I've been pointed towards Phoenix East Aviation at Daytona Beach FL - any second opinions?
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Ari Ben Aviator
Anyone got any info on ariben aviator flight school in Ft. Pierce FL. Looked at doing the full pro package on a J1 visa there. Their website is www.aribenaviator.com . Any info good and bad appreciated. Cheers!!
LB
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Hi man,
I heard a lot of sad stories about this flight school, 2 friends of mine flew there from 98 to 99 and they had to leave before the end of the program, promises done were pretty fare fom the reality ... so becarefull man my advice would be; think about it twice!!
Learr, take care buddy.
I heard a lot of sad stories about this flight school, 2 friends of mine flew there from 98 to 99 and they had to leave before the end of the program, promises done were pretty fare fom the reality ... so becarefull man my advice would be; think about it twice!!
Learr, take care buddy.
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Stay well clear of these people both TJ and Mike (the owners) will tell you whatever they think you want to hear to get you to part with your money. check out the forum on www.ilsapproach.com
there are loads of threads about this school.
good luck
there are loads of threads about this school.
good luck
Before "Ze Germans" get here
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I agree with the above. Anything I've ever heard is bad reports.
I also phoned them up to ask how it was possible to offer 100hrs multi for five or six grand(Or similar can't remember exact figures). The person on the phone was a little evasive but after much arm twisting and very pointed questions I finally found out that the reason they can offer such cheap multi time is by putting 2 students in the one plane. One flies under the hood and the other is safety pilot. Under FAA rules both can log PIC time. However this kind of time building is not valued highly by employers. It is a complete and utter waste of money for JAR students (as wot I is) because safety pliots cannot log time under JAR rules.
I also phoned them up to ask how it was possible to offer 100hrs multi for five or six grand(Or similar can't remember exact figures). The person on the phone was a little evasive but after much arm twisting and very pointed questions I finally found out that the reason they can offer such cheap multi time is by putting 2 students in the one plane. One flies under the hood and the other is safety pilot. Under FAA rules both can log PIC time. However this kind of time building is not valued highly by employers. It is a complete and utter waste of money for JAR students (as wot I is) because safety pliots cannot log time under JAR rules.