Can a type rating extend ME/IR?
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IR requirement for Type Rating Training?
Hi,
I have an expired Multi Engine IR and I'm curious as to what I need in order to start a type rating. I read in Lasors that you just need to have had an IR within the past 5 years prior to comencing a type rating, however I've also been told you need a current MultiEngine IR to begin training?
Can anyone clarify?
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I have an expired Multi Engine IR and I'm curious as to what I need in order to start a type rating. I read in Lasors that you just need to have had an IR within the past 5 years prior to comencing a type rating, however I've also been told you need a current MultiEngine IR to begin training?
Can anyone clarify?
Many thanks
LASORS is wrong, as it so often is. JAR-FCL 1.250(a)(2) states that "An applicant for the first type rating course for a multi-pilot aeroplane type shall have a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A)." JAR-FCL 1.185 states that "An IR(A) is valid for one year...."
Edited to say: 30 minutes after posting this I received notification that LASORS 2006 had been published to the CAA website - On checking the relevant Section I find that this particular error has been corrected (it's only taken them 3 years!!). LASORS now states that a 'current and valid' MEIR is a pre-requisite for the first MPA type rating.
Edited to say: 30 minutes after posting this I received notification that LASORS 2006 had been published to the CAA website - On checking the relevant Section I find that this particular error has been corrected (it's only taken them 3 years!!). LASORS now states that a 'current and valid' MEIR is a pre-requisite for the first MPA type rating.
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Your IR does not need to be current to start a Multi Pilot TR Course, it needs to have been current within the last five years as stated in Lasors.
Your IR will be renewed in your License Skills Test (LST), the test taken in the SIM prior to Base Training, once you have completed Base Training you will have the relevant requirements to apply to the CAA for the issue of the TR onto your license. Therefore when applying for the issue of TR you have a current IR and operate within JAR FCL requirements.
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Your IR will be renewed in your License Skills Test (LST), the test taken in the SIM prior to Base Training, once you have completed Base Training you will have the relevant requirements to apply to the CAA for the issue of the TR onto your license. Therefore when applying for the issue of TR you have a current IR and operate within JAR FCL requirements.
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Ah, I'm now back where I started.
If I understand correctly, I need one to apply for a type rating, but I need to have had one in the last five years to START a type rating?
Right?
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If I understand correctly, I need one to apply for a type rating, but I need to have had one in the last five years to START a type rating?
Right?
Cheers
lookoutbelow - You clearly did not bother to take the time to read the preceding posts or LASORS 2006 before posting. Your post is incorrect, a current and valid multi-engine IR is a pre-requisite to enter a first multi-pilot aeroplane type rating course.
OBK! - Wrong. You must have a valid (i.e. revalidated in the last 12 months) ME instrument rating before starting the course.
OBK! - Wrong. You must have a valid (i.e. revalidated in the last 12 months) ME instrument rating before starting the course.
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Billie Bob,
I stand corrected then. I had read the previous posts but hadn't noticed the change in section F of Lasors.
The situation is however very strange as in the past you always did need a current IR to begin your first MPA TR, this changed about two years ago when the CAA amended LASORS to say that you were only required to have held a current IR within 5 Years preceeding the date of application for your first MPA TR. Which was the case this July when I applied for my first MPA TR WITHOUT a valid ME IR! The CAA have for some reason made a U turn it seems. To get the definative answer and to rule out the possibility of a miss print etc give PLD a call and they will be happy to clarify.......
I stand corrected then. I had read the previous posts but hadn't noticed the change in section F of Lasors.
The situation is however very strange as in the past you always did need a current IR to begin your first MPA TR, this changed about two years ago when the CAA amended LASORS to say that you were only required to have held a current IR within 5 Years preceeding the date of application for your first MPA TR. Which was the case this July when I applied for my first MPA TR WITHOUT a valid ME IR! The CAA have for some reason made a U turn it seems. To get the definative answer and to rule out the possibility of a miss print etc give PLD a call and they will be happy to clarify.......
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a current and valid multi-engine IR is a pre-requisite to enter a first multi-pilot aeroplane type rating course
An applicant for the first type rating for a MPA shall
provide evidence that the following requirements have
been met:-
a)......
b) hold a current and valid multi-engine Instrument
Rating (Aeroplanes). This is only a requirement for
an initial MPA type rating and not subsequent type
ratings;
You are an applicant for the type rating once you have completed it, and hence have renewed your IR in the sim as part of the LST. You therefore have a current and valid MEIR on application for the rating.
I have this confirmed in writing from the CAA only 2 weeks ago, having asked them if the TRTO was correct to say that I did not have to renew my IR (issued in the last 5 years but not 'current') before commencing the TR course:
"I can confirm that the TRTO is correct. The requirement for an initial Multi Pilot Type Rating is to have held a current ME IR in the 5 years prior to the course commencement date"
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I thought this was the case and fully agree with you localiser green. It certainly applied for my first MPA TR in July this year. The IR is renewed by the TRE (Or as used to be known IRE) in the LST. Then once base training is complete you walk into the CAA with your LST form (IR renewal hence current), TR Course completion certificate, MCC Certificate and of course the fee and they add the type to your license.
Localiser Green - LASORS is notorious for getting it wrong, it's riddled with errors like this. Notice that the statement "An applicant for the first type rating........." appears immediately below the heading "Pre-requisite conditions for training". JAR-FCL1 is quite clear, as I've quoted above, that you must have a valid ME instrument rating to start a first MPA type rating course.
All of the TRTOs that I work for have been told by their CAA Licensing Inspectors that they are to make a valid (as defined by JAR-FCL1) MEIR a pre-requisite for a first MPA type rating course.
All of the TRTOs that I work for have been told by their CAA Licensing Inspectors that they are to make a valid (as defined by JAR-FCL1) MEIR a pre-requisite for a first MPA type rating course.
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Hi BillieBob,
Localiser Green seems to have confirmed what he said with CAA:
Localiser Green seems to have confirmed what he said with CAA:
I have this confirmed in writing from the CAA only 2 weeks ago, having asked them if the TRTO was correct to say that I did not have to renew my IR (issued in the last 5 years but not 'current') before commencing the TR course:
"I can confirm that the TRTO is correct. The requirement for an initial Multi Pilot Type Rating is to have held a current ME IR in the 5 years prior to the course commencement date"
"I can confirm that the TRTO is correct. The requirement for an initial Multi Pilot Type Rating is to have held a current ME IR in the 5 years prior to the course commencement date"
I completed my first type-rating on a MPA earlier this year without a current MEIR. CAA were happy enough to add the new type to my licence.
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It would seem you don't need a current IR to start a type rating. I'm starting on 20th Feb with a large UK based charter airline and I haven't got a current IR. I've been told it will be renewed during my type rating.
Just thought I'd clear things up for anyone who was curious.
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Just thought I'd clear things up for anyone who was curious.
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Can a type rating extend ME/IR?
In case that i start a type rating while my ME/IR is still valid but it elapses a few days later during my ground or simulator training would i have to renew it separately or would the final check ride count as a ME/IR renewal?
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To the best of my knowledge - no. It can however count as your 1 hour dual with an instructor for the renewal of your SEP class rating subject to you meeting all the other requirements.
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My ME/IR elapsed a couple of months ago and I will start a typerating in a few weeks. I intend to save the money I would have paid for a renewal because I will have get my ME/IR after the checkride anyway.
That is what I have been told.
That is what I have been told.
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Remember that the initial ME/ IR you do in a light twin is a single pilot multi engine IR.
If you do a type rating on a multi crew aircraft (I assume you are referring to multi crew type ratings and not single crew rating aircraft like a King Air or Cheyenne) then when the type rating is issued you will also be issued a multi crew IR, therefore the type rating check does not renew your single pilot IR. However once you have a job on a multi crew aircraft you will no longer need the single pilot IR.
If you wanted to keep your single pilot IR current you would still need to do a renewal in the sim (fnpt2) or aircraft.
If you do a type rating on a multi crew aircraft (I assume you are referring to multi crew type ratings and not single crew rating aircraft like a King Air or Cheyenne) then when the type rating is issued you will also be issued a multi crew IR, therefore the type rating check does not renew your single pilot IR. However once you have a job on a multi crew aircraft you will no longer need the single pilot IR.
If you wanted to keep your single pilot IR current you would still need to do a renewal in the sim (fnpt2) or aircraft.