Can a type rating extend ME/IR?
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Portsharbourflyer is right: while one needs a valid ME/IR (SPA) before starting a type rating on a multi-pilot aeroplane, once the type rating LST has been successfully passed, you are issued with a shiny ME/IR (MPA) rating, therefore there is no need to keep the ME/IR (SPA) current.
Also, remember that the CAA now requires that every other ME/IR (SPA) renewal should be done in the actual aircraft, therefore requiring more money; however, if you renew your ME/IR on the aircraft, you can combine the IR renewal flight with an MEP renewal and kill two birds with one stone.
In a nutshell, a type rating does not extend an ME/IR (SPA), it replaces it.
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Also, remember that the CAA now requires that every other ME/IR (SPA) renewal should be done in the actual aircraft, therefore requiring more money; however, if you renew your ME/IR on the aircraft, you can combine the IR renewal flight with an MEP renewal and kill two birds with one stone.
In a nutshell, a type rating does not extend an ME/IR (SPA), it replaces it.
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Originally Posted by european champion
In case that i start a type rating while my ME/IR is still valid but it elapses a few days later during my ground or simulator training would i have to renew it separately or would the final check ride count as a ME/IR renewal?
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The Instrument rating revalidations are separate.
An instrument rating in a multi pilot aeroplane is Type Specific and does not include privileges in a SEP or MEP Class of aeroplane. A MEP single crew IR includes privileges in a SEP. An IR in an SEP does not allow privileges in a MEP.
If you want to fly for public transport in a multi-crew aeroplane you must hold a Certificate of Revalidation on each and every type!
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An instrument rating in a multi pilot aeroplane is Type Specific and does not include privileges in a SEP or MEP Class of aeroplane. A MEP single crew IR includes privileges in a SEP. An IR in an SEP does not allow privileges in a MEP.
If you want to fly for public transport in a multi-crew aeroplane you must hold a Certificate of Revalidation on each and every type!
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My ME/IR elapsed a couple of months ago and I will start a typerating in a few weeks. I intend to save the money I would have paid for a renewal because I will have get my ME/IR after the checkride anyway.
That is what I have been told.
That is what I have been told.
Check it out properly Ingo1 because different JAA states have different rules regarding the Kingair. In Sweden is the Kingair classed as an MPA or not?
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Do not get current and valid muddled, I believe to start a multi crew type rating you need a valid SPA ME/IR, but it doesn't necessarily need to be current. An IR is valid for five years, but to retain its priveliges you need to renew/revalidate on an annual basis to keep it current. Hence it can be valid but not current.
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Do not get current and valid muddled
Stop pretending you know what your talking about!Pre-requisite conditions for training
An applicant for the first type rating for a MPA shall
provide evidence that the following requirements have
been met:-
a) have completed at least 100 hours as
pilot-in-command of aeroplanes;
b) hold a current and valid multi-engine Instrument
Rating (Aeroplanes). This is only a requirement for
an initial MPA type rating and not subsequent type
ratings;
c) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of a
multi-crew co-operation (MCC) course (this
requirement is not applicable to those who have
attended a TRTO course which includes MCC).
For full details on the MCC Course and MCC
credits can be found at
provide evidence that the following requirements have
been met:-
a) have completed at least 100 hours as
pilot-in-command of aeroplanes;
b) hold a current and valid multi-engine Instrument
Rating (Aeroplanes). This is only a requirement for
an initial MPA type rating and not subsequent type
ratings;
c) hold a certificate of satisfactory completion of a
multi-crew co-operation (MCC) course (this
requirement is not applicable to those who have
attended a TRTO course which includes MCC).
For full details on the MCC Course and MCC
credits can be found at
Section F10.
d) have passed the professional flight crew
examinations at ATPL level.
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Having spoken to the CAA on this subject with the LASORS information to hand, in order to get a MPA IR issued (type rating) you need to have a CURRENT and VALID ME IR Single Pilot at the time you start your type rating, it can however, lapse during trianing and not be renewed and providing you pass the MPA type rating you are eligible for its issue. This is for the first type rating, for subsequent it does not matter.
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Hmmm. I think the rules for the Kingair in the UK are probably the same as if it was a MPA in regards to an initial TR but I can’t be 100% sure. I would definitely check with your National Aviation Authority before spending your money. Last thing you need is your TR to be invalid!
The BE200 is an SPA and is so treated in the UK. It is not necessary to hold a valid IR to commence a BE200 type rating course.
The uncertainty regarding the requirement to hold a valid MEIR prior to commencing the first MPA type rating is due to one of the many cock-ups that the UK CAA made (and continue to make) when producing LASORS. The requirements of JAR-FCL 1 are quite clear - JAR-FCL 1.250(a)(2) states that a pre entry requirement for a first MPA type rating course is "a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A)" and JAR-FCL 1.185(a) states that "An instrument rating is valid for one year". There is no distinction under JARs between 'valid' and 'current', so why the UK CAA insist on continuing to use both terms in LASORS, confusing the hell out of everyone, defies explanation.
The uncertainty regarding the requirement to hold a valid MEIR prior to commencing the first MPA type rating is due to one of the many cock-ups that the UK CAA made (and continue to make) when producing LASORS. The requirements of JAR-FCL 1 are quite clear - JAR-FCL 1.250(a)(2) states that a pre entry requirement for a first MPA type rating course is "a valid multi-engine instrument rating (A)" and JAR-FCL 1.185(a) states that "An instrument rating is valid for one year". There is no distinction under JARs between 'valid' and 'current', so why the UK CAA insist on continuing to use both terms in LASORS, confusing the hell out of everyone, defies explanation.
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Actually, I have had another SPA (multi-turbine) typerating a couple of years ago so this is not my initial typerating, if that would make a difference?
I will call them up just in case!
I will call them up just in case!
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The way I always interpreted the ruling was the from the point of doing the initial IR it is current for 12 months, that is you can exercise your IR privileges for 12 months. If you choose not to renew it after 12 months then from the point of the initial IR test you have a five year period where the renewal can be done by any IR examiner. If you go over five years without a renewal then the renewal has to be done by a CAA staff examiner (essentially redoing the initial IR test). Hence I always thought this five year period referred to the validity period of the IR, where as current referred to the period where you can exercise its privileges after a renewal.
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Mercenary Pilot according to those requirements my IR has to be valid when commencing my type rating but it doesnt matter if it expires during my training for the rating,so in that case i should be fine.
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Ok i think i got it,if i do the type rating as long as my ME/IR (on single pilot airplane)
is valid when starting my training then after finishing the training i will get a ME/IR for multi pilot airplane and the endorsement of the aircraft type.
Does that mean that my Multi Engine class rating is renewed or would i have to renew this separately?
is valid when starting my training then after finishing the training i will get a ME/IR for multi pilot airplane and the endorsement of the aircraft type.
Does that mean that my Multi Engine class rating is renewed or would i have to renew this separately?
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I called CAA and i got the answer,they say that if i do a type rating i also get an IR that is valid for one year for Multi Pilot Aircraft,the SPA IR has nothing to do with it,if i want to renew it i have to do the renewal separately on a single pilot aircraft.But they didnt mention anything that the Multi Engine Class rating would be renewed during my type rating training,i think Mercenary is right,this would have to be done separately.