Had no choice but to quit college!

[BMI701EGCC]

Morning,


Well i quit college last week to start my worldwide business, this mean i will only have my GCSE's to my name, nothing else. Money isnt a problem so i can get my PPL and ATPL in the next few years hopefully before im 22. Because i havent got A-levels will i get accepted by airlines?i will have alot of hours by then, fingers crossed!


I hope so,

cheers

scott waterworth

[Dave Martin]

Out of interest, why did you quit?

I imagine it would be difficult to go back and get O/A levels at some point in the future, so this seems to be throwing away a great opportunity.

I appreciate it is easier to learn something that holds your interest, hence a JAA syllabus might be easier than an A-level English course, but you are leaving college missing an important and usefull polishing of education.

Should airline work fall through, what backup do you have? The techinical and professional nature of flight-deck work (one of the main incentives for getting there I think) will be hard to recreate in other employment if you don't even have the grades to attempt university.

Best of luck in your choice, but I think it would be worth considering there is a whole world outside of aviation that you are shutting off by doing this.

While A-levels seem to have been of little importance to airlines, they appear to be becoming more of a factor now (I'm no expert on this). You may well find showing a committment to finish education is viewed as highly as any number of hours you hold.

[Danny_manchester]

lol

Hey Scott. im a mancunian student too. staying at college incase flying doesnt work for some reason. I intend to complete the 1st year and fly out to OBA and complete my PPL,night,radioT,IMC and Multi in the 7 week holidays. I dont think that dropping out of coll. will affect you directly at the moment, and i think if you get some good experience, you should be ok for the airlines. I think you are lucky that you can afford the training self funded like me, as really, airlines only look at higher level education if you are going for a cadet post. I would imagine you will apply as a F.O. so no problems.

Good luck man, btw im doing a few hours at barton before i do my JAA liceses at OBA, maybe see you there sumtime

[edymonster]

You should look at some of airlines recruitment sites. I know for a fact that some require you to have 3GCSE including maths and english and 2 A Levels or similar type of qualification. So i suggest you think really hard what you want to do because going out there to get a licence does not mean you will get a job.

[Pilot Ginj]

Its not only the airline requirements you should be thinking about, it is your long term future and any competition thats out there for the jobs.

Airline has a choice, two guys or girls with similar flying experience, one with GCSEs the other with GCSEs, A-Levels and a degree? Who gets the job? Getting a higher education, in addition to getting more qualifications also shows a commitment to learn. Also whats your backup plan should you for some reason not be able to continue in aviation in the future due to unforseen circumstances, medical issues etc...

Sorry to be a doom merchant, but another year of study cant be that bad...

[geordiejet]

Well, if money aint an issue, then you are half way there, you can just buy your way in to the flight deck by getting a type rating, and some hours on type.

As for qualifications, perhaps if something happened and you could no longer be a pilot, you should have something to fall back on.

'A good pilot always has a good backup plan', my instructor always used to say! But is you main aim to be a businessman, or a pilot?

ALl the best in whaever you choose to do, good luck :-)

[Re-Heat]

Why did you post this then in the past?

Anybody on pprune have any info on how i can get a part-time job at MAN as a bagage handler? I am full-time at college stufying A level Maths, physics and Geography and would like to save up for my PPL. Ive tryed every phone number and email address for that matter and still no luck.

Evidently you have changed some of your subjects - did you choose them based upon what you are good at or stick your finger in the wind and think "flying is about maths and physics" and go from there? If you can't stand learning - how do you hope to motivate yourself through ATPL theory?

http://www.startups.co.uk/Forums/Sho...?PostID=122380
Do you really think that will be sufficient to fund your training, not to mention time taken to run the business?

You have gone against all advice you have ever asked for on PPRuNe. Yes, you will be accepted without A-Levels if you have a licence, but that has to be the most short-sighted view of your 40+ year career that I have ever seen.

Instructions:

Get off the computer. Stop playing flight sim and tracking flights. Get some experience of it, your ability, and your medical situation before you lauch headlong into training. Enrol back in college asap.

I'd stop using your real name as well, as if you google it, you come up with 7 pages of replies in different flight sim forums. Nobody here has anything against passion, but I think that most would advise to use it in a more targetted manner if you wish to pursue this as a career. Flying a flight sim is nothing like the real world, operating with a broad spectrum of people in a team, and dealing with real issues.

[Danny_manchester]

yup

Im in the same position as Scott, also living in manchester, and i can say that studying something which you don't enjoy ............. won't get you very far atall, maybe should have picked arts subjects if you were better and enjoyed them more?

Overall, as i have said above scott, airlines want people who can communicate well, and most of all can fly the required aircraft! how good you are at history wouldn't affect your compitance as a pilot in any way.

Well im off to college now, back later guys

Good luck Scott, btw phone barton for work exp. I know a guy who got a place with lancs aero for engineering, he got to go up on 2 flight in 1 week

P.S. Forget flight simulator on the PC ............ nothing like flying the real thing, actions have conciquences in real life (+ the pressure).

[chris2005]

First thing to do should be to get a class one medical otherwise you will just be wasting time and money if you dont pass the medical.

I would then finish your GCSE's and A levels. What happens if you drop out of college do your atpl's and have a accidient say in five years time and lose your medical? you would be left with no career prospect and you should plan a fallback if it dosnt work out you have to remember this career path can be cut very short by the unexpected.

Assuming all goes well i would finish your a levels and do your ppl part time at weekends and during holidays. With A levels you also would be able to apply for any sponcership schemes that arise!

Judging by the fact you are aiming to finish at 22 I guess you are still young so i wouldnt worry about time. Im almost 22 and went through A levels and uni and now im only just about to start training but i feel safe in the fact I have other qualifications to fall back on.

Hope this helps, good luck whatever you decide

Chris

[BMI701EGCC]

Evening Guys,

thanks for your advice and guidence its much appriciated, but i think i should explain myself,

I left school in 2002, i then went onto college to do sports studies, never thought i could be a pilot with the grades i already attained, so i never even concidered this as a career. I didnt like the sports course from the beginning so i dropped out in October of that year.
I went to work for my dad who has his own glass business, i started to pick up leading off one of my dads employees, i got rather good, doing different logo etc just for personal use. I always played flight simulator though from a young age, still never thinking i could become one one day, i then started to get into aviation big time ie Spotting and browsing PPRUNE. By the off chance i went onto CTC Mc Alpine to see what their requirments where for cadets, i found that i had all their GCSE's requirments (C and above), English(CC) and Science(CC) but not Maths(E), As you can see i hated Maths at the time but i thought i could get at least a C if i put the time and effort in.

I had a long chat with my dad, and he said just go for it, so i did i contacted college for possible erollment, and they accepted my for part-time GCSE Maths. This took a full college year to complete and at the end i got a B. I was over the moon especially when i got an E first time round. This September i erolled for Maths, Physics and Geography at A-level, i got accepted, i dodnt get off to a good start, Physics was discontinued because too few students erolled, so i took IT instead. As the weeks where going by i couldnt get to grips with A-level Maths at all, this was reflected in my assessment, i only achieved a D/E prediction, where as in IT and Geography i was predicted an B. I sort of had a gut feeling about Maths though, i knew i was never that good at it even achiving a B, at 19 mind. This was late October, mum and dad was mithering me to get a job(thats why i posted about baggage handler at MAN), i was getting really low, so I helped my dad out in the shop making double-glazed units when something clicked about making money from leading. I went home and made a mockup logo for Airliners.net( the logo in gold lead, blue film etc), they turned me down. I then made a Bolton Wanderers mockup(blue and red logo, gold or silver film etc) and went for a meeting, i got a phone call a few days later, they want to launch at Easter 2006, with a firm order of 300(making a profit of £6,300), which would only take me a week to do, not bad for a first order from one football club. As of today, im making £4,000+ per week, with one football club, and we havent even launch yet. Im currently setting up a as limited company all at the age of 19, i wrote out a business plan yesterday with an industry anaylist and he told me that im set to make at least £350,000 just off the premiership football clubs, that isnt even 3% of the business plan, ive still got to do, all championchip clubs, scottish clubs, french clubs, italian clubs, spanish clubs, German clubs, deutch clubs. Thats just in euro and just football, that isnt concidering Rugby, Cricket, Football(USA), Hockey, Baseball, Basketball, Wrestling, oh and their film suck as star wars, plus custom designs for business's. This is just one product our second product is set to make twice as much, and sell twice as much. Im set to make at least 10 million around the world, thats in 7-10 years.

Its a very testing time for me at the moment, running a business at the age of 19 is 10x harder than any A-level, thats for sure, but i aint complaining, because you know what, the first time in ages im happy, and you cant buy happyness.

Looking back now, i wanted to become a pilot so much, i got ill, thinking i might fail, and now, im not losing sleep thinking i wont be a commercial pilot, because you know what, so what if i dont, ive got enough money to get my PPL, and even buy a cessna, and if later in life i do decide to complete my dream i will do, but im out to make a successfull business and build my hours using my own light aircraft, if i feel like it i might book a sim for a hour here and there, to keep that dream alive who knows.

Sorry if ive rabbited on, but i just wanted to let you guys know what mt situation is, best go, have to reply to a local paper, they want an interview


Talk soon guys

Thanks

Scott Waterworth

[Re-Heat]

Well best of luck!

Just be careful to hedge your bets and don't put all your eggs in one basket - the point about leaving with potentially passable A-Levels without having taken the medical stands, as does ensuring that you know what you are getting into with regards the challenge of the exams and indeed the flying.

[Danny_manchester]

lol

Hi Scott, look at your post from another prospective. Doesn't seem highly likely that a football club would 'hire' a self employed teenager to do anything for their club, but thats just opinion. I think that if you found mathematics hard to pass the 1st time, and don't really have a passion for it, you won't have a good time throughout training. Also, physics discontinued? now thats a first, i started physics this year, and is extreamly difficult, sure that it wasn't just not for you?

Read the saying i posted on your uniform thread, as i definatly think it applies here.

I think that you should face reality, and realise that from what you have posted now, and previously, flying MAY not be for you, and you need to be serious about it, as the poster says, get a medical, without one, you are going nowhere.

Anyway, if this business thing does actualy exist, and is not speculation, go for it, but if it doesnt, WAKE UP!!. I mean, on the link the above poster posts, your first idea, i think for the club logos? seems to have a patent? if so would you like to post the patent number, so as to assure us all that we are not wasting our time advising you?

Folks, i have a strange feeling that we will be waiting a long time for that number ^o).

Gooday

D

P.s. Scott, hate to be picky, but:-

*primilary meeting*
*prodcedures*
**I have run my fathers business at the age of 16, so im up to speed with the legal procedures.**
*havent*


There is something wrong with each of the above, can you spot what it is? One is utter B******s.

ALSO scott, does your fathers glass business have a name, i live near atherton, in leigh, and im sure i probably know it .

To be quite frank, from what you have said about yourself before, you should feel like a total idiot, as if you read your posts on vacating current premises, trying to make yourself look good is ok in the short term if you are telling porkies, and then it bites you on the ass .

[Maximum]

im set to make at least £350,000 just off the premiership football clubs

Im set to make at least 10 million around the world, thats in 7-10 years

Erm........so what was the question?

If this is true..........then get on with it!! You'll be able to buy all the flying you want!!!!! Doh.

If it's not true.........you need to grow up fast or none of your dreams will come true.

I'm sorry if this is insulting - but based on what you've written you sound like a spoiled brat. You may not be, but that's how it's sounding.

Have a good look in the mirror.

[smith]

Danny and Maximum

The guy seems pretty honest to me, like he says he flunked maths etc, no reason to disbelieve him.

Is the green eyed monster rearing his head?

[Maximum]

Is the green eyed monster rearing his head?

......well, yes actually. If we take it all at face value, then as I said, 'what's the question?'.

Suggest he reads the current Easyjet thread.

[BMI701EGCC]

Danny i think you should stop with all the crap, yes i have started a limited company up, things are going very well, patent is complete(which is none of your business anyway). If you want the patent number go and get it! That also applies to my dads glass business, you got and find it its called Waterworth Glass.

Many people are praising me these days, starting a limited company up 19, better than the average 19 year old, who's probably flipping burgers in Mc D's, isnt you by any chance Danny??

How the hell you get "hired" by a football club, is beyond me, i have a business(which im the director of, not a self employed teenager), and the football clubs buy my product(s), thats it, it simple.

PS If your really that sad danny(or Jealous!), go to the Reebok Stadium next year and look at my company's stand, or even Argos, or www.waterworthdesigns.com when its online. If you d o live in leigh look at the leigh reporter in JAN

Next time Danny, sit down and have a think before you write anything. Your opinion doesnt count even in the slightest, your just another one who gets uptight when his peers are doing so well in life.

how do you have the right to judge whether ill do well in my APTL or ont?i know alot of pilots who have got only GCSE's an work for major airline, so you wrong on that, anyway


Ive just shown my dad your reply, he was amused on how you can slag off a lad who's doing so well.



Best get back to you books


PS, im still laughing about the B******T comment. fantastic!


Scott Waterworth

[Danny_manchester]

lmao

Scott, i did say that IF, and its a big if, you are actualy doing this, and what you have said is true, then i would praise you.

Now then, as you cannot provide sufficient information, to prove that you have set up this company, then i will contine to presume that you are spinning a web of lies to TRY and make yourself look good.

I could say that i have a patent, and say here, www.dannydesignsltd.com is my website ............ but i haven't paid for it to be put online yet .

Anybody can come out with a lot of crap, but as i say, its no big deal, you are kidding yourself, and yourself only.

Due to the fact you have no proof that your whatever company exists, i will go along that you are nothing but a waste of time, although rather amusing in a sad sort of way.

I on the other hand don't have to prove anything, i am a very clever guy, who has stuck college , and do actualy have family which is relativly well off.

BTW, why do you take offence, alls i did was ask for proof of this company, however

YOU HAVEN'T PROVED IT!.

lol, as the above poster says, get a life!

I would love for you to prove me wrong, but sorry its not going to happen, BTW, don't try and prove me wrong, i will rip you to shreds on here.

lol, as to the flipping burgers comment, its clear from your credentials that you are not an academic , i can assure you that i don't have to work whilst at college, and my family would DEFINATLY rather see me get my degree in medicine or chemistry before i embark upon a flying career.

I will contact waterworths and ask, i know what response i will get .

Also Scott, as you are trying to be clever, please refrain from spelling things incorrectly, its painfull.

I would rather have a brain, than any company (or made up company ), as with a brain, you can go anywhere, when your idea fails, your out on the streets.

Thats all for now, have a good life Scott. And i will get into my books, i can cope with the pressure .

Just as i thought, YELLOWPAGES have nothing on his fathers \'company\', and nothing on ask jeeves, no website or contact details.

[FFP]

Maybe it's just me being slow but I don't understand.

You say you will go on to earn up to 10 million in the next ten years, but want to know if the airlines will accept you without GCSE's ?

Firstly, no one really cares if what you say is true or not. I don't mean that in a malicious way, purely in the sense that if someone comes on a forum and chooses to give a story, it matters not whether the story is true. You could already have 100 million pounds or you could end up never having more than £1000 to your name. The details are irrelevant. It's only yourself that will ever know the truth.

So with a prosperous business ahead, why would you want to work in an airline job ? Depending on your point of view and where you are in the industry, the job is not all that bad (or good!) but certainly not a logical progression from starting a multi million business at such an early age. If the forecast of business is true, you will own your own private jet and should you wish to fly purely for fun, then you will buy some suitable aerobatic toy.

So the question is, are you preparing yourself for a business failure and so hoping to fall back on the airlines or are you feeling the need for admiration from strangers over the internet about a huge succesful business you may own in the future ?

All the best whatever happens. If you make in the business world, but then decide to join the airline, I'm sure they'll overlook the lack of GCSE's weighed against the business sucess you will acheive

[Piltdown Man]

Initially I thought that you were serious. But now I recon that is not the case. To me, your posts indicate that are either very naive, Walter Mitty reincarnated or a bit of both and maybe a touch of something else. May I suggest that you just stop with PPL and put your airline carear on the back-burner for a few years or so.

[Danny_manchester]

thanks piltdownman, appreciate the fact that you can see through this guy too. he is anything but genuine, especialy after you read his posts.

Lol, infact Scott, buy your own fleet of 747\'s, will only take you a few years to save up.

No such thing as your dads business, cant find anything on it atall, and the only thing i can find out about yours is the posts you have made on forums like some kind of idiot.

1 disadvantage is that most pilots have something between their ears, and you will not pull the wool over their eyes as you can teenagers on that other business forum, they must be dumber than you, and thats saying something. Just sign on the DSS now, and get your few pounds a week ......... hey maybe you can drink it away like most of them (y)

Comeon Scott, you are online, reply!

Didnt i say on this thread that when you lie, it always comes back and bites you on the ass? point proven, Scott, people are starting to dis-believe you.