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Hi Pipergirl,
If it were me doing my ME IR again I would go back to AFT at Exeter without doubt. It is well, well worth considering for the following reasons:
All ex military/civil instructors (ex Harrier joc's, creamy military instructors, TRI/TRE's with the airlines) All have 000's of hours, most have stopped counting infact! and all very very friendly.
A very competative all inclusive price (price quoted is what you actually pay upon completion of th course normally, how many other schools do that?). Price includes VAT, Taxi time, Approaches, Landings, Hire for the tests (regardless of length), All required equipment, plates, any groundschool, even parking at the airport and unlimited tea and coffee!!
Specialist school only doing modular ME IR's and CPL's. No Integrated v Modular problem!
Good equipment (BE76'), engineers on the airfield and a new FNPT2 SIM on site.
Exeter, small friendly airport but busy enpough to be a realistic training environment for IR training. Cheap local accommodation readily available especially out of the holiday seasson. Excellent part of the UK.
Many of the students attending the courses are ex-military. My view was that if the school is good enough for ex-Red arrows pilots and ex-typhoon guys then it is good enough for little old me! Also the stories you hear in the coffee room I would say are a little more interesting than at many other flying schools/clubs I have visited before.
Only downside I can think of is that the school building doesn't have any toilets you use the terminal's toilets which if you are bursting after a 2.5 Hr tense IFR exam flight seems like a long walk!! It isn't really though only about 2 mins away!
Just one for you to consider adding to your list perhaps.
Good luck.
Lookoutbelow
If it were me doing my ME IR again I would go back to AFT at Exeter without doubt. It is well, well worth considering for the following reasons:
All ex military/civil instructors (ex Harrier joc's, creamy military instructors, TRI/TRE's with the airlines) All have 000's of hours, most have stopped counting infact! and all very very friendly.
A very competative all inclusive price (price quoted is what you actually pay upon completion of th course normally, how many other schools do that?). Price includes VAT, Taxi time, Approaches, Landings, Hire for the tests (regardless of length), All required equipment, plates, any groundschool, even parking at the airport and unlimited tea and coffee!!
Specialist school only doing modular ME IR's and CPL's. No Integrated v Modular problem!
Good equipment (BE76'), engineers on the airfield and a new FNPT2 SIM on site.
Exeter, small friendly airport but busy enpough to be a realistic training environment for IR training. Cheap local accommodation readily available especially out of the holiday seasson. Excellent part of the UK.
Many of the students attending the courses are ex-military. My view was that if the school is good enough for ex-Red arrows pilots and ex-typhoon guys then it is good enough for little old me! Also the stories you hear in the coffee room I would say are a little more interesting than at many other flying schools/clubs I have visited before.
Only downside I can think of is that the school building doesn't have any toilets you use the terminal's toilets which if you are bursting after a 2.5 Hr tense IFR exam flight seems like a long walk!! It isn't really though only about 2 mins away!
Just one for you to consider adding to your list perhaps.
Good luck.
Lookoutbelow
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did my ppl in florida and have a caa ppl and did my atpls with Bristol...
just to let u know, I am doing my licence through the UK system and thought that maybe I should do some part of my training in UK airspace at some point!
just to let u know, I am doing my licence through the UK system and thought that maybe I should do some part of my training in UK airspace at some point!
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I was taught on my instrument rating by some excellent instructors, and have done retraining with my current employer; it is impossible to do the thorough instrument checks I have been taught within 2 minutes. At the very least it takes 10 seconds to listen to each navaid's ident for 2 VOR/ILS, a bit longer for ADF, and maybe over 30 seconds for the DME (checked feeding from NAV1 and NAV2 that is about 40 seconds to over a minute itself!). That's nearly 2 minutes just listening to idents, then confirming the tuning (or here retuning for the SAM, which cannot be received on the ground to check the kit) and selected bearing on the VORs for the first use once airborne.
Runups also take a finite time, if done thoroughly and correctly one minute per engine is a minimum. In operations they can be run up together more quickly, and I have been shown how, but in training and for test that would not in my experience be normal or, in my opinion, sensible. I cannot imagine you were taught anything but separate runups.
Whatever school you attended at Perth is a competitor of ours, I carry no flag for them. I am however an instructor, albeit only for PPL, and am very concerned that in training checks are completed thoroughly and carefully, and 10 minutes I would say is a minimum for training. I know I can get airborne in 5 from a quiet airfield, but only if I'm in a hurry and miss out the navaid checks and do the rest as quickly as possible, when I am very current and not under training. There is an saying I learnt about training when I was at Dartmouth - these are the standards from which we will fall. It means that although we will not keep those high standards we have to know them so we know how to achieve equivalent quality, and to return to them when it is needed.
It does not always seem like 10 minutes, but I bet you were not off before that on your trips for IR training.
I was taught on my instrument rating by some excellent instructors, and have done retraining with my current employer; it is impossible to do the thorough instrument checks I have been taught within 2 minutes. At the very least it takes 10 seconds to listen to each navaid's ident for 2 VOR/ILS, a bit longer for ADF, and maybe over 30 seconds for the DME (checked feeding from NAV1 and NAV2 that is about 40 seconds to over a minute itself!). That's nearly 2 minutes just listening to idents, then confirming the tuning (or here retuning for the SAM, which cannot be received on the ground to check the kit) and selected bearing on the VORs for the first use once airborne.
Runups also take a finite time, if done thoroughly and correctly one minute per engine is a minimum. In operations they can be run up together more quickly, and I have been shown how, but in training and for test that would not in my experience be normal or, in my opinion, sensible. I cannot imagine you were taught anything but separate runups.
Whatever school you attended at Perth is a competitor of ours, I carry no flag for them. I am however an instructor, albeit only for PPL, and am very concerned that in training checks are completed thoroughly and carefully, and 10 minutes I would say is a minimum for training. I know I can get airborne in 5 from a quiet airfield, but only if I'm in a hurry and miss out the navaid checks and do the rest as quickly as possible, when I am very current and not under training. There is an saying I learnt about training when I was at Dartmouth - these are the standards from which we will fall. It means that although we will not keep those high standards we have to know them so we know how to achieve equivalent quality, and to return to them when it is needed.
It does not always seem like 10 minutes, but I bet you were not off before that on your trips for IR training.
