What can 60k buy you?
Now look 'ere - SLKs are emphatically NOT hairdressers' cars! I've owned a 03 plate SLK320 for 7 months and traded it in today for a very low mileage 03 plate SLK32 AMG with designo interior - and 354 BHP, of course. 0 to 60 in about 4.8 seconds, according to one review....
Errm, is that a hairdressers car with added blow dryer? And the interior is bordeaux. That's a sort of red wine colour - do NOT call it pink!
Very best of luck with the IR - and the modular vs integrated argument is a fascinating one. Ready-moulded integrated student or hard-working modular student with added lfe experience skills?
Errm, is that a hairdressers car with added blow dryer? And the interior is bordeaux. That's a sort of red wine colour - do NOT call it pink!
Very best of luck with the IR - and the modular vs integrated argument is a fascinating one. Ready-moulded integrated student or hard-working modular student with added lfe experience skills?
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all this talk about flash cars, tut tut tut spend about 6k and get a lancia delta integrale with 4.7mm tires. take it offroad and slaughter anything... keep it on road and slaughter anything, but then again i've wanted one since i was a kid 
... either that or a ferrari testarossa *drools*
good luck with it all, hard options, luckily enough you have options, for me i dont, its modular or nothing. but evewn if i could get a 60k loan, I wouldnt, simply because of the payments.
If you've got the cash there you can do whatever you like, bearing in mind BEagle has just said.
the AMG SLKs are the balls, wow they've got so much power.
Sulks with his 1.2 SX Punto!!!
... either that or a ferrari testarossa *drools*good luck with it all, hard options, luckily enough you have options, for me i dont, its modular or nothing. but evewn if i could get a 60k loan, I wouldnt, simply because of the payments.
If you've got the cash there you can do whatever you like, bearing in mind BEagle has just said.
the AMG SLKs are the balls, wow they've got so much power.
Sulks with his 1.2 SX Punto!!!
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The SLK is a nice car and would not fall under the hair dresser category. The new SLK 550 must be amazing.
As you say Fretwanger I am extremely lucky even to have to choice but 60k is a lot of money and the repayments will be massive.
It’s a shame it’s so hard to get an honest answer from the airlines. Any I have contacted simply say come back when you’ve got your licences. A survey needs to be carried out looking at employment over a 12 month period for example. I would love to know out of all the low hour pilots (500 TT or less) who were employed in 2004/05 how many were integrated and how many were modular.
As you say Fretwanger I am extremely lucky even to have to choice but 60k is a lot of money and the repayments will be massive.
It’s a shame it’s so hard to get an honest answer from the airlines. Any I have contacted simply say come back when you’ve got your licences. A survey needs to be carried out looking at employment over a 12 month period for example. I would love to know out of all the low hour pilots (500 TT or less) who were employed in 2004/05 how many were integrated and how many were modular.
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£60k would buy you the dream holiday of a lifetime. Alternatively you could spend it on aviation training and possible never be able to afford to take a single holiday ever again... 
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GO modular save maybe £15k. With this £15k you could afford the Emerald HS748 deal and get you backside in a heavy TP quickly. Or do a FI rating and find a job no problem as the instructor shortage develops. Or put the money towards the Ryanair or easyJet self sponsored type ratings.
All of which options are going to progress your career a damn sight more certainly and faster than having the "cachet" of putting one of the three large FTO's on your mighty 194hr TT CV.
Frankly.
You'll also stand a better chance of completing your training on time and feel less frustrated as you do so.
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All of which options are going to progress your career a damn sight more certainly and faster than having the "cachet" of putting one of the three large FTO's on your mighty 194hr TT CV.
Frankly.
You'll also stand a better chance of completing your training on time and feel less frustrated as you do so.
Cheers
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Good options highlight by WWW there but don't forget that the type rated jobs are still subject to availability and suitability! They are still very difficult to get! So there really isn't such a phenomenon as "getting your backside into a heavy TP quickly" because you'll still be up against hundreds of others.
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Agree with WWW. With your experience I can't believe you're even thinking about it. You will be all done and dusted in as little as 7 months, and with change from £23k if you are careful. Go integrated and you'll blow a fortune, take longer, have the same licence with less hours and no better chance of a job.
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944, a poor mans porsche???
Well, they may be cheap nowadays, but give me a 944 turbo (which cost more than the 911 carrera when new) over a boxster any day off the week. Twice the car, half the money and Zero depreciation........oh and you can get the golf clubs in the back!!
Back to the subject however, if your in a rush to get qualified and can afford it, go integrated (the only downside is the cost)! But if time is on your side, and you want to save a few quid, then go modular!!! Same licence at the end of the day, simple as that!!
Good Luck
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Well, they may be cheap nowadays, but give me a 944 turbo (which cost more than the 911 carrera when new) over a boxster any day off the week. Twice the car, half the money and Zero depreciation........oh and you can get the golf clubs in the back!!
Back to the subject however, if your in a rush to get qualified and can afford it, go integrated (the only downside is the cost)! But if time is on your side, and you want to save a few quid, then go modular!!! Same licence at the end of the day, simple as that!!
Good Luck
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Certainly the Porker 944 has a 'classic' look to it. Particularly in Guards Red.
But there is, regrettably, still a stigma of yuppiedom and Thatcher greed about the marque, particularly the 911. As there is with all BMWs - and some big Merc saloons.
Only another 3 days until I collect my SLK 32 AMG! Which is NOT a girlie car, I hasten to add!
But there is, regrettably, still a stigma of yuppiedom and Thatcher greed about the marque, particularly the 911. As there is with all BMWs - and some big Merc saloons.
Only another 3 days until I collect my SLK 32 AMG! Which is NOT a girlie car, I hasten to add!
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Quote, "window-seat - if your in a rush to get qualified and can afford it, go integrated (the only downside is the cost)! But if time is on your side, and you want to save a few quid, then go modular!!! Same licence at the end of the day"
Integrated is going to take me about 15 months, modular about 10. It is as you say the same licence at the end of the day.
I just want to do what is going to get me a job. Sadly i know too many good pilots who are searching for jobs after going modular. I'd love to instruct short term but it just isn't an affordable option long term therefore i've got to give myself the best chance of getting into the right hand seat of something heavy enough to unfreeze my ATPL, and more importantly keep a roof over my head.
Integrated is going to take me about 15 months, modular about 10. It is as you say the same licence at the end of the day.
I just want to do what is going to get me a job. Sadly i know too many good pilots who are searching for jobs after going modular. I'd love to instruct short term but it just isn't an affordable option long term therefore i've got to give myself the best chance of getting into the right hand seat of something heavy enough to unfreeze my ATPL, and more importantly keep a roof over my head.
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fray bentos pielot,
When I say that an integrated course is likely to be quicker than a modular one, I mean when starting from scratch.
I cannot see how things can be done much quicker than eating, drinking and sleeping flight training for 5 or 6 days, week in and week out, for months on end.....i.e. an integrated course. Yes I know these large schools suffer from too many students, and too few aircraft (working ones) and instructors, and that the excuse's (and accommodation bills) will stack up........but i'm afraid, that tends to be aviation in general, especially when trying to go flying in this fantastic English weather!!
I know you already have a PPL and some hours, so maybe going integrated would hold you up by 5 or 6 months (and cost you a lot of extra cash)!!!
As for the instructing, I used it (after an integrated course) as a way of keeping current and making contacts. I had an office job for 4 days per week which paid quite well, and did an instructors course over 12 months, flying just 2 days per week (weather dependent)!! At the end of that, I walked into a part-time instructors job, again flying only 2 or 3 times per week whilst working in the office
Nobody sad it was going to be easy (or cheap), and if you head off down this very long and bumpy road, then you must do whatever is best for you. As my mate VFE has already said, going Integrated or Modular is a lifestyle thing, what suites one person may not be for the next!! Same licence at the end of the day!
I know you want to find the easiest way into the RHS of something big and shiney, but I'm not sure there is one. All you can do is maximise your chances..........
Good Luck and enjoy your flying, wherever you do it
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When I say that an integrated course is likely to be quicker than a modular one, I mean when starting from scratch.
I cannot see how things can be done much quicker than eating, drinking and sleeping flight training for 5 or 6 days, week in and week out, for months on end.....i.e. an integrated course. Yes I know these large schools suffer from too many students, and too few aircraft (working ones) and instructors, and that the excuse's (and accommodation bills) will stack up........but i'm afraid, that tends to be aviation in general, especially when trying to go flying in this fantastic English weather!!
I know you already have a PPL and some hours, so maybe going integrated would hold you up by 5 or 6 months (and cost you a lot of extra cash)!!!
As for the instructing, I used it (after an integrated course) as a way of keeping current and making contacts. I had an office job for 4 days per week which paid quite well, and did an instructors course over 12 months, flying just 2 days per week (weather dependent)!! At the end of that, I walked into a part-time instructors job, again flying only 2 or 3 times per week whilst working in the office
Nobody sad it was going to be easy (or cheap), and if you head off down this very long and bumpy road, then you must do whatever is best for you. As my mate VFE has already said, going Integrated or Modular is a lifestyle thing, what suites one person may not be for the next!! Same licence at the end of the day!
I know you want to find the easiest way into the RHS of something big and shiney, but I'm not sure there is one. All you can do is maximise your chances..........
Good Luck and enjoy your flying, wherever you do it
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Go modular, do it as cheap as you can
Forget about driving a porshe or BM, I can't find a better way of operating an engine than on a flying machine, ultralight to A320.
When you will get all your licences, that will be the start of your expenses.
Then you will think about a type rating, an FI rating, buying sim time to maintain your skills, buying tickets to meet chief pilots, believe me the cost for the CPL-IR-MCC is just an appetizer.
Forget about driving a porshe or BM, I can't find a better way of operating an engine than on a flying machine, ultralight to A320.
When you will get all your licences, that will be the start of your expenses.
Then you will think about a type rating, an FI rating, buying sim time to maintain your skills, buying tickets to meet chief pilots, believe me the cost for the CPL-IR-MCC is just an appetizer.
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OAT are advertising a "professional pilot pakage" consisiting of a CPL - MEP - IR - MCC - JOC for £22,595. I assume this does not include test fees and CAA fees but does anyone know if it includes VAT?
I know the sensible answer would be to phone them and ask and believe me i've tried but in true Oxford style nobody has bothered to phone me back. When i phoned i clearly made the mistake of not offering them about 70k for an integrated course.
I would be very interested in hearing from anyone doing modular training at OAT. Are modular guys treated like second class citizens? I could do the same at FTE including accomodation for around 24k and again would love to hear from anyone training there.
I know the sensible answer would be to phone them and ask and believe me i've tried but in true Oxford style nobody has bothered to phone me back. When i phoned i clearly made the mistake of not offering them about 70k for an integrated course.
I would be very interested in hearing from anyone doing modular training at OAT. Are modular guys treated like second class citizens? I could do the same at FTE including accomodation for around 24k and again would love to hear from anyone training there.
