JAA FO (restricted) ATPL

[glex01]

Hello All,

I have read a little while ago in one of the aviation publications that there are plans to introduce a JAA FO (restricted) ATPL. Has anyone any more information on it...

Thanks and greetings from beautifjul Toronto..

[Groundloop]

You are probably thinking about the ICAO proposal for a Multi Crew Licence. Still being discussed for possible implementation in the next few years. Apparently Lufthansa are pushing for it in a big way.

Likely to include a specific type rating, very little single pilot flying and resulting licence will only allow you to fly as an FO in a two crew aircraft - no commercial single pilot work possible.

[RVR800]

Cost Drivers

Yes it's the start of a move towards training airline transport pilots in glass cockpit multicrew airliners right from the start rather using the single crew six-pack light aircraft method........

ICAO will probably action these proposals in November 2005 then Lufthansa will be lobbying and so will all the rest of them

[Farrell]

So, from a fresh, nubile pilot perpsective.......is it a good thing, or the devil in disguise?

These days, anything recommended by an airline seems destined to hurt us!

[BillieBob]

From the average wannabee's point of view, it's pretty much of an irrelevance. The overall cost will not be much, if any, cheaper than the current integrated course and for that you will be able to fly only as co-pilot on a single MPA type. It's really only an option for airline sponsored training, hence the involvement of Lufthansa as the driving force. For the self-sponsored, it's the roulette equivalent of gambling your whole life on a single number.

[BEagle]

This 'MPL' thing will be mostly simulator based. Hence some of us contemptuously refer to it as the Microsoft Pilot Licence.

Due to the extensive need for expensive simulator time, it will be very expensive for anyone not directly sponsored by an airline - and may not even give pilots a SEP Class-rated PPL.

It will be purely a co-pilot licence; Lufthansa, who currently claim to train their pilots to a higher standard than the JAA require, are championing this......

Personally I think that it should be consigned to the rubbish bin. Fair enough to train people to CPL/IR on a complex single and then to develop them using simulators for multi-crew IR and Type Ratings (although the proposals call for no less than 12 landings for MPL-'trained' pilots to take their Type Rating Skill Test) - but less than that time on real aircraft? NO WAY!!