USA Flight Schools?
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USA Flight Schools?
Has anybody on Pprune in the last few months had any experiences with EFT or Riverside flightschools in the USA..
I am looking to do some flight training in the future and both of them look good to me on paper, but it is a huge step to make on reading advertisments and past posts alone. Would anybody have any constructive advice to give me on the above schools? Has anybody been there in the last few months? (exclude CPL Diary on Pprune)
(Please, no slanging matches, I am not looking to insult anybody at the schools, but to get good advice)
Many thanks
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SD
I am looking to do some flight training in the future and both of them look good to me on paper, but it is a huge step to make on reading advertisments and past posts alone. Would anybody have any constructive advice to give me on the above schools? Has anybody been there in the last few months? (exclude CPL Diary on Pprune)
(Please, no slanging matches, I am not looking to insult anybody at the schools, but to get good advice)
Many thanks
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Check out www.AirDesertPacific.com at Bracket Airport, Pomona (just north east of LA). They specialise in Commercial flight training/hr building. Costs are resonable, instructions good and A/C well maintained. I used to live near Pomona and built up flt time in the Senecas there. Great location for flying to Las Vegas, Santa Barbara, Palm Springs.
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I have been here at EFT for 11 weeks now and have no problems recomending them at all. The standard of training is second to none, yes the aircraft are old, however they are airworthy. The scholl building is still being repaired from the hurricanes, but this is the real world so you have to deal with it.
I have now got my CPL and will have my ME this week, I will be returning to the uK soon to finish off my IR with them.
The accom is good if not better. I am paying $25 per night for a new trailer in a very nice place not fifteen minutes walk away.
If you have any questions feel free to pm me.
FF
I have now got my CPL and will have my ME this week, I will be returning to the uK soon to finish off my IR with them.
The accom is good if not better. I am paying $25 per night for a new trailer in a very nice place not fifteen minutes walk away.
If you have any questions feel free to pm me.
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Thanks for you advice.... all very helpfull.
One of the main stumbling blocks for me is onw of the schools does the FAA IR and then you convert to the JAA IR back in the UK, whereas the other, EFT, starts the IR in the US, but finishes it off in the UK..
So the question would be - Conversion course or not???
Regards.. and thanks to all again..
One of the main stumbling blocks for me is onw of the schools does the FAA IR and then you convert to the JAA IR back in the UK, whereas the other, EFT, starts the IR in the US, but finishes it off in the UK..
So the question would be - Conversion course or not???
Regards.. and thanks to all again..
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I have FAA and JAA IR's and went down this road. Unless your some day your planning to work in the U.S the money you may save by doing a conversion course isn't worth it. My advice would be find yourself a good school in Europe with an up to date sim and learn how the JAA want you to fly IFR. PPL, CPL, hr building is fine in the US, not the IR.
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Why Europe?
Why sim?
I am doing my JAA IR here at EFT in a Beech Duchess and I am returning to the UK next week to finish. I will have done 30 Hours IR here, in weather you cannot believe, then I will do 10 hours in the sim and 10 in the duchess to finish. It costs less than the UK and instead of sim time, you get more real life time.
For the record the Duchess costs about the same as the sim does per hour.
I was quoted about £12k in the UK with anything from 25 to 40 hours in a sim, I will be spending much less than that this way and will have a JAA licence NOT an FAA.
FF
Why Europe?
Why sim?
I am doing my JAA IR here at EFT in a Beech Duchess and I am returning to the UK next week to finish. I will have done 30 Hours IR here, in weather you cannot believe, then I will do 10 hours in the sim and 10 in the duchess to finish. It costs less than the UK and instead of sim time, you get more real life time.
For the record the Duchess costs about the same as the sim does per hour.
I was quoted about £12k in the UK with anything from 25 to 40 hours in a sim, I will be spending much less than that this way and will have a JAA licence NOT an FAA.
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Hello there
What about Aussie-Air?
The web site is www.aussie-air.com
Anyone went there for training?
Any experiences?
Their website states they offer JAA & FAA training.
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L|kA|r
What about Aussie-Air?
The web site is www.aussie-air.com
Anyone went there for training?
Any experiences?
Their website states they offer JAA & FAA training.
Regards
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FF
Just speaking from my own experiance. I guess 3 points;
1. Doing your IR in "weather you cannot believe" I presume your talking about the clear skies and sunshine. This is not representitive of the awful gusty IFR weather conditions you get in western Europe most of the time.
2. If you go to a flight school with a modern sim (no plugging but eg Stapleford Flight Centre) its very represenetitive of flying the real thing. Everyone has weaknesses and a sim can be quickly repositioned to practice the same thing over until you get it.
3. When you get hired by an airline and get your first Type, doing some of your IR in the Sim prepares you for the simulator environment. At your first sucessful interview you will be more than likely asked to do a sim check.
Anyway, sounds like you got a good deal and one your comfortable with. Good luck with your IR, its the hardest thing you'll ever have to do!
LAX
Just speaking from my own experiance. I guess 3 points;
1. Doing your IR in "weather you cannot believe" I presume your talking about the clear skies and sunshine. This is not representitive of the awful gusty IFR weather conditions you get in western Europe most of the time.
2. If you go to a flight school with a modern sim (no plugging but eg Stapleford Flight Centre) its very represenetitive of flying the real thing. Everyone has weaknesses and a sim can be quickly repositioned to practice the same thing over until you get it.
3. When you get hired by an airline and get your first Type, doing some of your IR in the Sim prepares you for the simulator environment. At your first sucessful interview you will be more than likely asked to do a sim check.
Anyway, sounds like you got a good deal and one your comfortable with. Good luck with your IR, its the hardest thing you'll ever have to do!
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Okay Lax
Weather you cannot believe, we have had for the last week Tornado warnings every day, servere Thunderstorms and huge CB's, sunshine I wish, I am grounded due to the weather being too bad, this is representative of Florida's summers.
Of course flying in the UK is not as bad as this as I have flown many times in England so I can compare the two.
EFT also have access to a brand new sim (FNPT2) as well, once you return to the UK you undertake 10 hours minimum of training.
Sims are very useful, however you cannot recreate the same feeling you get when you are flying your aircraft in real weather.
I forgot that we have horrid Hurricane in the UK and severe Flash Floods. They don't have this destructive weather in Florida do they now!!!!
You say in you first post that syrdh should consider a school in america and then say the exact opposite later on. I cannot talk for any other school, but I am being taught by JAA instructors to JAA standards. I have no compaints with the standrd of instruction here and have found the staff to be far more knowledgeable than most of their counterparts I talked to in the UK.
I am not prepared to enter further in to a slagging match over which school, or country is better for training. I am merely stateing some facts that I have come across.
If anybody wishes to ask me further questions please feel free to PM me and I will be more than happy to talk to you.
Weather you cannot believe, we have had for the last week Tornado warnings every day, servere Thunderstorms and huge CB's, sunshine I wish, I am grounded due to the weather being too bad, this is representative of Florida's summers.
Of course flying in the UK is not as bad as this as I have flown many times in England so I can compare the two.
EFT also have access to a brand new sim (FNPT2) as well, once you return to the UK you undertake 10 hours minimum of training.
Sims are very useful, however you cannot recreate the same feeling you get when you are flying your aircraft in real weather.
I forgot that we have horrid Hurricane in the UK and severe Flash Floods. They don't have this destructive weather in Florida do they now!!!!
You say in you first post that syrdh should consider a school in america and then say the exact opposite later on. I cannot talk for any other school, but I am being taught by JAA instructors to JAA standards. I have no compaints with the standrd of instruction here and have found the staff to be far more knowledgeable than most of their counterparts I talked to in the UK.
I am not prepared to enter further in to a slagging match over which school, or country is better for training. I am merely stateing some facts that I have come across.
If anybody wishes to ask me further questions please feel free to PM me and I will be more than happy to talk to you.
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Thanks for the advice everyone.. I think I am decided on the EFT. I would like to do all my training in the UK, but I firstly do not want to start my aviation career in massive debt and secondly my last name does not appear in the Times Rich List - would like to work on it though!! Thanks for the advice Frank, I may see you there in the next few months? hope the weather gets better.
Regards all
Sdryh
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TAB Express gone under, may have taken Aussie-Air with them
In case anyones interested, or has sent them money (!), TAB Express of Deland, Florida (http://www.tabexpress.com/) have gone under bigtime, may have taken Aussie-Air with them.
Aussie-Air's phones have been disconnected for a week, although their website is still up.
Be careful out there, especially about sending money to flight schools in advance.
FlyFloats
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Aussie-Air's phones have been disconnected for a week, although their website is still up.
Be careful out there, especially about sending money to flight schools in advance.
FlyFloats
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Link to TAB Express crash & burn story -
Link to TAB Express crash & burn story -
http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...IZ01061605.htm
FlyFloats
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Excerpt -
"DeLand flight school abruptly shuts down
By JOE CREWS
Business Writer
Last update: June 16, 2005
DELAND -- Citing a financing dispute with a bank in Cleveland, a DeLand-based flight school and airline suddenly closed its doors Wednesday.
TAB Express International, which has operated a pilot-training program at 955 Singleton Drive at the DeLand Airport since 2000, said it was "ceasing flight and training operations immediately" because of "a dispute with Key Bank regarding funding of its students and operations of the flight school."
http://www.news-journalonline.com/Ne...IZ01061605.htm
FlyFloats
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Daytona Beach
Excerpt -
"DeLand flight school abruptly shuts down
By JOE CREWS
Business Writer
Last update: June 16, 2005
DELAND -- Citing a financing dispute with a bank in Cleveland, a DeLand-based flight school and airline suddenly closed its doors Wednesday.
TAB Express International, which has operated a pilot-training program at 955 Singleton Drive at the DeLand Airport since 2000, said it was "ceasing flight and training operations immediately" because of "a dispute with Key Bank regarding funding of its students and operations of the flight school."
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hi guys,
what crap, I flew thier yesterday in one of thiere c-172sp's
and had a blast, they have a lot of students and things are going well for them.They will be 141 approved in the next few weeks
and jaa within 6 months.also with this about the connection with tab express is untrue as they have no connection at all.
The phone lines were cut by bellsouth as they were working on
the phone lines locally.Your facts are not true flyfloats.
safe flying all
mike
what crap, I flew thier yesterday in one of thiere c-172sp's
and had a blast, they have a lot of students and things are going well for them.They will be 141 approved in the next few weeks
and jaa within 6 months.also with this about the connection with tab express is untrue as they have no connection at all.
The phone lines were cut by bellsouth as they were working on
the phone lines locally.Your facts are not true flyfloats.
safe flying all
mike
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FAA CPL/IR TO JAA CPL/IR
Not sure why this topic has been taken over by a closure of a school in OZ?
In answer to SDRYH - love Worksop, the meteors taking off and calling 'timber' as they hit the wood with engine failure after take off.( Supposedly true.)
In answer to your question at the start of this topic, you can do the training State Side but ultimately it will be up to you where you trained and your personal ability on how many hours you need to adapt to UK (JAA) procedures.
The aircraft may be the same back in UK but be prepared to 'tighten' up on R/T.....'No more 'descending 180 to 110' If you don't know what is wrong with that call then you have no idea of the scale of the problem. We all speak ICAO don't we?...not true it seems. I won't go into the standards required elswhere..you can only guess.
Time in the sim back in UK is invaluable just practising the R/T. Any old Sim will do if it gives you a realistic profile to practise the R/T. If it is a knackered old sim it might come free!
In answer to SDRYH - love Worksop, the meteors taking off and calling 'timber' as they hit the wood with engine failure after take off.( Supposedly true.)
In answer to your question at the start of this topic, you can do the training State Side but ultimately it will be up to you where you trained and your personal ability on how many hours you need to adapt to UK (JAA) procedures.
The aircraft may be the same back in UK but be prepared to 'tighten' up on R/T.....'No more 'descending 180 to 110' If you don't know what is wrong with that call then you have no idea of the scale of the problem. We all speak ICAO don't we?...not true it seems. I won't go into the standards required elswhere..you can only guess.
Time in the sim back in UK is invaluable just practising the R/T. Any old Sim will do if it gives you a realistic profile to practise the R/T. If it is a knackered old sim it might come free!
