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Does anyone know if, when you apply for a job or go for an interview with an airline, they can see your marks for the ATPL theory exams?
If the answer to the above is yes, is it possible to resit an exam which I only achieved 75% in? My reasoning is that although 75% is a pass, the airline may think, "What about the 25% you got wrong?" and favour someone with a higher percentage.
Also, if I did resit the exam, it would show up as a second sitting but would the airline know I passed it the first time anyway?
Any thoughts or comments greatly appreciated,
SB
If the answer to the above is yes, is it possible to resit an exam which I only achieved 75% in? My reasoning is that although 75% is a pass, the airline may think, "What about the 25% you got wrong?" and favour someone with a higher percentage.
Also, if I did resit the exam, it would show up as a second sitting but would the airline know I passed it the first time anyway?
Any thoughts or comments greatly appreciated,
SB
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You should be proud of the exam in which you achieved 75%. This means that you have spent your time wisely and got a good perception of how much studying you need in order to reach the minimum standard required.
I would say that first time passes in all exams with an average of 75% - 80% is quite an achievement. - At least if you are using the time you save to study something you actually might have some use for in the air.
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I would say that first time passes in all exams with an average of 75% - 80% is quite an achievement. - At least if you are using the time you save to study something you actually might have some use for in the air.
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WHY, WHY, WHY???
For what reason would you want to put yourself through that hell again. Was it not tortuous enough for you the first time?
My PPL instructor told me 75% was always a good mark as it showed 0% wasted effort! Although I was more than happy to score higher
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For what reason would you want to put yourself through that hell again. Was it not tortuous enough for you the first time?
My PPL instructor told me 75% was always a good mark as it showed 0% wasted effort! Although I was more than happy to score higher
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Airlines won't be interested in your exams - if you can put first time passes on your CV then that is a bonus, but they will be more interested in your performance on the CPL and IR flight tests if anything.
However, the MOST IMPORTANT THING is that you are a person they like and can get on with. It is all about personalities really, so if they like you you will get a job, if they don't you won't.
Hufty.
However, the MOST IMPORTANT THING is that you are a person they like and can get on with. It is all about personalities really, so if they like you you will get a job, if they don't you won't.
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At the risk of being shot down, I have to advise that SillyBoy is not too far of the mark......
At the last Lodon Flight Training Exhibition, BA changed their stance from the previous show in saying that they would only consider integrated students. However, in changing this view and saying that they would look at modular students they did state that they would be looking at students that attained 85% and above in their exams. Therefore there is validity to what he was saying.....
I will say that having just completed all 14 in December (the best Xmas pressie around!), I am very proud with the one 75% that I attained......never thought I would pass the exam in a million years and I managed to squeak by......I am very grateful to that last question I changed!
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At the last Lodon Flight Training Exhibition, BA changed their stance from the previous show in saying that they would only consider integrated students. However, in changing this view and saying that they would look at modular students they did state that they would be looking at students that attained 85% and above in their exams. Therefore there is validity to what he was saying.....
I will say that having just completed all 14 in December (the best Xmas pressie around!), I am very proud with the one 75% that I attained......never thought I would pass the exam in a million years and I managed to squeak by......I am very grateful to that last question I changed!
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I hope, in view of the above post that Easy Glider, Frank Furillo and Mattd2k will apologise to the originator of this thread. If they only engaged their apparent pea sized brains they would realise that the world does not owe them a living for achieving only 75% in exams. The question has a lot of validity.
The market is currently awash with frozen ATPL holders. Airlines have the luxury and ability to be selective in who they choose to recruit. If an airline was to commence a recruiting drive, how are they to differentiate between the holders of identical licences. I would respectfully venture to suggest that they would, on the initial application form, ask for the marks achieved in all 14 exams, if they were all passed at first sitting and were the IR & CPL achieved at first attempt. This would obviously weed out a lot of applicants at the paper sift stage. They may, in view of the above post then set their own bench-mark for the exams. After all, whilst the CAA sets a low 75% pass mark, it is not the CAA who has to employ such applicants and it is at the behest of the employer as to what they feel is an adequate pass mark (knowledge of the subject). It is a fact, that in only achieving 75% in an exam, you at best show that you have a poor understanding of 25%, (a quarter) of the subject matter and at worst, are totally ignorant of a quarter, of the subject matter.
Universities for top degree courses no longer merely accept 3 straight A’s in the relevant subjects; they now require students to sit their own entrance examinations. This is because, in their view, the value of A-levels have been undermined by the amount of students with 3 straight A’s. Would you allow a doctor to perform an operation on you who had demonstrated that they only knew three quarters of the procedure to be followed. I think not.
I have employed pilots in the past; I wouldn’t employ someone who thought it was clever and a waste of effort to only achieve 75% in an exam. For the above named 3 this is an appropriately named forum, wannabes. You will still be wannabes at the next millennium with your attitudes and unhelpful comments.
I do not know the answer to the original question, nor it appears, does anyone else that has responded. The question is not a silly one, but merely demonstrates someone endeavouring to present himself to a prospective employer in the best possible way.
If you have nothing useful to say, I suggest that you 3 continue sweeping the roads, as that is what you are destined for.
The market is currently awash with frozen ATPL holders. Airlines have the luxury and ability to be selective in who they choose to recruit. If an airline was to commence a recruiting drive, how are they to differentiate between the holders of identical licences. I would respectfully venture to suggest that they would, on the initial application form, ask for the marks achieved in all 14 exams, if they were all passed at first sitting and were the IR & CPL achieved at first attempt. This would obviously weed out a lot of applicants at the paper sift stage. They may, in view of the above post then set their own bench-mark for the exams. After all, whilst the CAA sets a low 75% pass mark, it is not the CAA who has to employ such applicants and it is at the behest of the employer as to what they feel is an adequate pass mark (knowledge of the subject). It is a fact, that in only achieving 75% in an exam, you at best show that you have a poor understanding of 25%, (a quarter) of the subject matter and at worst, are totally ignorant of a quarter, of the subject matter.
Universities for top degree courses no longer merely accept 3 straight A’s in the relevant subjects; they now require students to sit their own entrance examinations. This is because, in their view, the value of A-levels have been undermined by the amount of students with 3 straight A’s. Would you allow a doctor to perform an operation on you who had demonstrated that they only knew three quarters of the procedure to be followed. I think not.
I have employed pilots in the past; I wouldn’t employ someone who thought it was clever and a waste of effort to only achieve 75% in an exam. For the above named 3 this is an appropriately named forum, wannabes. You will still be wannabes at the next millennium with your attitudes and unhelpful comments.
I do not know the answer to the original question, nor it appears, does anyone else that has responded. The question is not a silly one, but merely demonstrates someone endeavouring to present himself to a prospective employer in the best possible way.
If you have nothing useful to say, I suggest that you 3 continue sweeping the roads, as that is what you are destined for.
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Oh get off your high horse Ruthless. I don`t think anybody here is really advocating aiming for a minimum pass mark in groundschool exams
! Of course I`m sure you passed every single test you have ever taken with maximum marks 
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As Hufty said, its the person & personality that gets the job in the end. The only time an airline might see your groundschool marks is if you were put forward to a job through a training school and your training records were supplied.
Cheers.
! Of course I`m sure you passed every single test you have ever taken with maximum marks .As Hufty said, its the person & personality that gets the job in the end. The only time an airline might see your groundschool marks is if you were put forward to a job through a training school and your training records were supplied.
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Ruthless,
Road sweeper eh ????? might actually be a promotion from driving my 757 / 767 !!!!!
I too have been FORCED to interview prospective candidates at my company. This is a job I hate and would never volunteer for.
If you are what you say you are, then you would know that these exams really mean very little and are merely "hoops" that need to be jumped through in order to gain your licence.
How much of the information you had to learn for your exams have you actually remembered and are using on a daily basis ???? not much I would guess. Could you pass the exams today?? I would guess not. Does that make you a worse pilot??? Well, only you can answer that.
Personality is basically what counts in the interview situation.
Hope I never have to interview you !!!
Road sweeper eh ????? might actually be a promotion from driving my 757 / 767 !!!!!
I too have been FORCED to interview prospective candidates at my company. This is a job I hate and would never volunteer for.
If you are what you say you are, then you would know that these exams really mean very little and are merely "hoops" that need to be jumped through in order to gain your licence.
How much of the information you had to learn for your exams have you actually remembered and are using on a daily basis ???? not much I would guess. Could you pass the exams today?? I would guess not. Does that make you a worse pilot??? Well, only you can answer that.
Personality is basically what counts in the interview situation.
Hope I never have to interview you !!!
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Hope I never have to interview you !!!
The questions recruiters ask themselves (or should be asking themselves) are i) can this guy fly? & ii) could I have a nice day out with this guy? Anything else is simply BS.
I personally wouldn't want to fly with the sort of person who resits an already passed exam simply to get a higher score.
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Speaking as somebody who has just ended the pain that is the exams, all 14 now in the bag, thank god.
I feel that to want to sit them again is madness, however I am sure the people at Aviation House would love to take even more money off you.
If of course people started to re take exams again, just to improve their score,were would it end?
The airlines already have hard enough selection processes.
Of course if you then failed the exam second time round after passing the first time you would feel rather foolish.
Anybody who wants to go the distance again must insane.
Well said Gin Slinger, you're right.
FF
I feel that to want to sit them again is madness, however I am sure the people at Aviation House would love to take even more money off you.
If of course people started to re take exams again, just to improve their score,were would it end?
The airlines already have hard enough selection processes.
Of course if you then failed the exam second time round after passing the first time you would feel rather foolish.
Anybody who wants to go the distance again must insane.
I personally wouldn't want to fly with the sort of person who resits an already passed exam simply to get a higher score.
FF
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The biggest risk in resitting an exam that you've already passed is that you'll fail it. That could jeopardise that exam's pass.
Also, it's time wasting. You're better off concentrating on your IR or something more useful.
Your exam marks are only mildly interesting to your first employer. What is probably more important at the low hour stage is how you did in your IR. After that it's experience.
The most important quality you need is to be able to convince the recruiters that they can put up with you in the FD for 6-8 hours without wanting to kill you.
Also, it's time wasting. You're better off concentrating on your IR or something more useful.
Your exam marks are only mildly interesting to your first employer. What is probably more important at the low hour stage is how you did in your IR. After that it's experience.
The most important quality you need is to be able to convince the recruiters that they can put up with you in the FD for 6-8 hours without wanting to kill you.
