What did anyone think of the professional pilot show today?
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What did anyone think of the professional pilot show today?
What did anyone think of the professional pilot show today?
Does anyone know what the personell manager had to say at Flybe?
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Does anyone know what the personell manager had to say at Flybe?
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Very good. Didn't here what Flybe had to say. Very friendly people. I saw that those who got the chop at OAT have started their own business called Pilot Ground Training.
I didn't read how to do the matching the shape test on GAPAN's PILAT testing. Still I was delighted to see that everything else was in good working order. I would still like to go to Cranwell to take the full test before, hopefully, giving CTC's PILAT tests a go.
I didn't read how to do the matching the shape test on GAPAN's PILAT testing. Still I was delighted to see that everything else was in good working order. I would still like to go to Cranwell to take the full test before, hopefully, giving CTC's PILAT tests a go.
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Not too sure if those who have started Pilot Ground Training ‘got the chop’. As far as I understand it they were totally fed up with the ‘Merchant of Venice’ attitude towards staff and clients of the erstwhile ILS and decided, in the most part, to go it alone. Nevertheless – what an impressive line-up of staff Pilot Ground Training have (Pilot Ground Training Staff)! Certainly would have little hesitation in recommending Wannabees to attend their ground school (and no I do not have any connection with company whatsoever)
Referring back to the place whose name should not be mentioned (i.e. ‘the dark side’), I have it on good authority that the parent company are willing to part with the main assets – i.e. airfield, buildings aircraft and engineering to as yet an undisclosed prospective purchaser. This means that liabilities and other issues will probably be tied up with a company that cannot have assets attached to meet obligations to suppliers, and customers – now there a noun whose meaning is often lost on directors of large companies, as well as loyal ‘staff’ yet another corporate mystery word!
Otherwise I have to say that the show was certainly worth attending both for the wannabee and training professional!
Referring back to the place whose name should not be mentioned (i.e. ‘the dark side’), I have it on good authority that the parent company are willing to part with the main assets – i.e. airfield, buildings aircraft and engineering to as yet an undisclosed prospective purchaser. This means that liabilities and other issues will probably be tied up with a company that cannot have assets attached to meet obligations to suppliers, and customers – now there a noun whose meaning is often lost on directors of large companies, as well as loyal ‘staff’ yet another corporate mystery word!
Otherwise I have to say that the show was certainly worth attending both for the wannabee and training professional!
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I agree. Those at PGT have clearly thought about their product. A crisp internet site, a reasonable price, very experinced staff and, if I was not mistaken PGT wanted and did come across as a very friendly bunch of people.
There was something very polite and welcoming about PGT.
There was something very polite and welcoming about PGT.
after waking up at 6am and first of all going to the wrong hotel i found my way there and was rather impressed. As someone whos training is still a few years off i left at midday, everyone there was very friendly and helpful. Is it true that there is some kind of loan that you dont pay back for 2 years after you get the funds? someone from jertz said that to me after i bought up the issue of money. Will be going again before i start my training
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What did anyone think of Cabair?
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I think that would be HSBC. Contact some of the big FTOs (Oxford, Cabair, Jerez) and ask them about funding - I\'m sure they will help you.
R T Jones,
I think that would be HSBC. Contact some of the big FTOs (Oxford, Cabair, Jerez) and ask them about funding - I\'m sure they will help you.
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The show overall, like last years was very informative. A good range of flying schools there, from both the modular and integrated side.
Didn't get to hear all of the BA talk, but the Flybe and Open forum at the end were both interesting.
Overall it was a good day out and once you get past all the sales pitches there is a lot of good information around.
Just have to set a week aside to read through all the brochures now!
Didn't get to hear all of the BA talk, but the Flybe and Open forum at the end were both interesting.
Overall it was a good day out and once you get past all the sales pitches there is a lot of good information around.
Just have to set a week aside to read through all the brochures now!
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Did anyone else have a go at Cabair's hand-eye coordination game using the shapes in the tunnel? Total madness at the end. Someone scored 97% 
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R T Jones - w.r.t. 'after waking up at 6am and first of all going to the wrong hotel' ( to say nought of a poor grip of English; both spelling & syntax ) are you sure you're cut out to be a pilot ? I.e. 2am, 3am, and 4am, etc. starts are a regular, neigh daily, occurrence. Plus, a certain level of ( how shall I put this ? ) 'Navigational ability' is something of a prerequisite. 
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Jeez, I didn't realise things were that bad at Oxford that people were jumping ship in those numbers!
Good luck to them is all I can say. I guess it speaks volumes for the state of play at Oxford at the moment.
Good luck to them is all I can say. I guess it speaks volumes for the state of play at Oxford at the moment.
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To Old King Coal,
Regarding your views on people saying 6am is early start and that their use of English is not up to scratch you could take note and/or ignore the following:
1. No pilots are perfect (yes, not even their use of English grammar)
2. All human beings will be tired with a 6am start (including those mysterious pilots with mystical getting up out of bed powers)
3. Tact is essential. If you jumped on anyones back for getting something wrong you would quickly be regarded as unprofessional. Blame and shame culture is not teamwork. Praising anything done well is; and leads to better results too.
So R T Jones; well done for turing up, in the end, at the right place. Well done for spelling your username correctly and well done for matching my score on Cabair's nutty test; I will only assume you were lucky
p.s. Apologies for any incorrect spelling, syntax (whatever that is), grammar, use of semi-colons and even rising to the bait.
Also, I only just kept my cool exterior composure when I saw the car parking charge; £7 for 3 hours
Regarding your views on people saying 6am is early start and that their use of English is not up to scratch you could take note and/or ignore the following:
1. No pilots are perfect (yes, not even their use of English grammar)
2. All human beings will be tired with a 6am start (including those mysterious pilots with mystical getting up out of bed powers)
3. Tact is essential. If you jumped on anyones back for getting something wrong you would quickly be regarded as unprofessional. Blame and shame culture is not teamwork. Praising anything done well is; and leads to better results too.
So R T Jones; well done for turing up, in the end, at the right place. Well done for spelling your username correctly and well done for matching my score on Cabair's nutty test; I will only assume you were lucky
p.s. Apologies for any incorrect spelling, syntax (whatever that is), grammar, use of semi-colons and even rising to the bait.
Also, I only just kept my cool exterior composure when I saw the car parking charge; £7 for 3 hours
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I must say the car parking charge was horrendous!
Maybe this should be brought up and something sorted out for the next event (the problems of choosing London, especially airports)
Maybe this should be brought up and something sorted out for the next event (the problems of choosing London, especially airports)
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Rpeagram - Indeed none of us are perfect, wherein some people get ‘situational confusion’ more readily than others ( esp. my wife ), and some people think that 6am is early ( indeed my own teenage son seems to think that midday is early; and he can’t spell !.... I blame modern education )..... and I'm certainly not perfect. 
That said, it just happens that it’s us crusty old airline bustards who're likely to be reading all those wannabe CV's and, call it 'old school' if you will, you might find that many of my peers would similarly form a conclusion that slovenliness and / or lack of attention to detail, as exhibited through somebody’s written word, etc., exemplifies the attitude of mind of the applicant.
Now what with you being a teacher and all, one might expect you to be setting something of a higher standard in this respect; but alas.... ( might I suggest a modest investment in a spelling & grammar checker, plus a dictionary maybe ? ). E.g. a look at some of your most recent spellings (red) from some of your most recent posts:
As it happens, my post above was actually meant to be tongue in cheek ( albeit maybe with just a slight vein of earnest advice behind it ). Uhm, but wherein it appears we’re almost certainly now guilty of substantial thread creep; So might I apologise for the diversion.
Aside - I wonder how much money was made yesterday by the 'service providers' ?.... and one thing’s for sure, there’s seemingly a lot of money to be made out of training pilots; one just hopes that the rewards and risks are worth it ?!
I’ll close with ‘caveat emptor’ and guide everybody to this thread: ‘There are no guarantees with any of it !’.
)..... and I'm certainly not perfect. That said, it just happens that it’s us crusty old airline bustards who're likely to be reading all those wannabe CV's and, call it 'old school' if you will, you might find that many of my peers would similarly form a conclusion that slovenliness and / or lack of attention to detail, as exhibited through somebody’s written word, etc., exemplifies the attitude of mind of the applicant.
Now what with you being a teacher and all, one might expect you to be setting something of a higher standard in this respect; but alas.... ( might I suggest a modest investment in a spelling & grammar checker, plus a dictionary maybe ? ). E.g. a look at some of your most recent spellings (red) from some of your most recent posts:
- anyones = anyone’s
- turing = turning
- opinon = opinion
- belive = believe
- occured = occurred
- instill = instil
- valubale = valuable
- incompatable = incompatible
- sitution = situation
- mannor = manner
- saftey = safety
- responces = responses
- facination = fascination
- suceed = succeed
- stressfull = stressful
- exsisting = existing
- dicussion = discussion
- experince = experience
As it happens, my post above was actually meant to be tongue in cheek ( albeit maybe with just a slight vein of earnest advice behind it ). Uhm, but wherein it appears we’re almost certainly now guilty of substantial thread creep; So might I apologise for the diversion.
Aside - I wonder how much money was made yesterday by the 'service providers' ?.... and one thing’s for sure, there’s seemingly a lot of money to be made out of training pilots; one just hopes that the rewards and risks are worth it ?!
I’ll close with ‘caveat emptor’ and guide everybody to this thread: ‘There are no guarantees with any of it !’.
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Good to meet you at last, Jinkster.
On my part, have to say that the show was knackering! That is a good thing for us - a lot of interest from newbies, without even a PPL, and very few of the school kids we often speak to. Parking is extortionate, but we can hardly complain about the economic distortion caused by the proximity of a major airport!
On my part, have to say that the show was knackering! That is a good thing for us - a lot of interest from newbies, without even a PPL, and very few of the school kids we often speak to. Parking is extortionate, but we can hardly complain about the economic distortion caused by the proximity of a major airport!
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The car parking was not that bad!!!
It was only £5 for the whole day, considering my friend and I arrived at 9:30 and left after a few drinks in the bar around 17:30ish we thought it was damm cheap!!
Our other friend with us at the show, parked in the Marriott which was free for the day and just a 10 min walk to the show/hotel.
As for the show: excellent, the best we thought in the last two years! Even though, the main room (with the stands) was just a little bit too warm!!
It was only £5 for the whole day, considering my friend and I arrived at 9:30 and left after a few drinks in the bar around 17:30ish we thought it was damm cheap!!
Our other friend with us at the show, parked in the Marriott which was free for the day and just a 10 min walk to the show/hotel.
As for the show: excellent, the best we thought in the last two years! Even though, the main room (with the stands) was just a little bit too warm!!
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hehe, my spelling has never been very good. People tell me to sound words out and i sound them the wrong way 
. Well my 92% score was after i had my first go and didnt read the instructions properly . I also took the GAPAN thingy test and got 30 out of 40. Dont know what that compared to others. 6am is only early when I didnt go to sleep till 1am . My girlfiend was complaning i talk too much in the morning! Didnt mean to offend you if i did. Got a B for English at GCSE so i cant be that bad , but much prefer the lanuage of maths!
. Well my 92% score was after i had my first go and didnt read the instructions properly . I also took the GAPAN thingy test and got 30 out of 40. Dont know what that compared to others. 6am is only early when I didnt go to sleep till 1am . My girlfiend was complaning i talk too much in the morning! Didnt mean to offend you if i did. Got a B for English at GCSE so i cant be that bad , but much prefer the lanuage of maths!
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As an aspiring but practically zero-hour ATPL I found yesterday's exhibition VERY useful.
Nearly all the exhibitors were very helpful; particularly the Aussie guy Bob from Jerez. He was quite happy to give as near to impartial information as possible. They also offer a free aptitude test if you go down there before Xmas...(maybe get a cheapie flight down there on a LCC? It might be at least as much fun as doing one at Cranwell?).
The guys at Stapleford seem very switched on but I couldn't quite figure whether getting 100 x 737 hours as part of their modular package at £52,000 was worth doing. Anyone have any views on that?
Oxford's guy was good to talk to but I'm not sure I was convinced that their training is worth several thousand pounds (£55k as opposed to £50k) more than their competitors for an Integrated Course (although they obviously have a great track record). Any views?
I have also heard elsewhere that Oxford have had staff troubles recently. Does anyone know if this is something a potential student should be worried about?
Did anyone have a go on GAPAN's mini-aptitude test? Although I have happily done a co-ordinated 30-degree turn (with a bit of rudder, pull slightly back on the nose and kept an eye on the power) without losing height, I found the GAPAN NAV/ALT test very unrealistic and, er, difficult. The joystick seemed hyper-sensitive to me.
Anyone else have an opinion on whether such simple tests are of any real value? Was I missing the point somewhere?
Lastly, I was disappointed that there don't appear to be any approved schools (for full-time integrated courses) in the NW of England. This means us poor Northerners 'aff to travel South and find a years' accommodation locally which only means less for't whippet. Anyone know why? Am I wrong?
Cheers all...
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Nearly all the exhibitors were very helpful; particularly the Aussie guy Bob from Jerez. He was quite happy to give as near to impartial information as possible. They also offer a free aptitude test if you go down there before Xmas...(maybe get a cheapie flight down there on a LCC? It might be at least as much fun as doing one at Cranwell?).
The guys at Stapleford seem very switched on but I couldn't quite figure whether getting 100 x 737 hours as part of their modular package at £52,000 was worth doing. Anyone have any views on that?
Oxford's guy was good to talk to but I'm not sure I was convinced that their training is worth several thousand pounds (£55k as opposed to £50k) more than their competitors for an Integrated Course (although they obviously have a great track record). Any views?
I have also heard elsewhere that Oxford have had staff troubles recently. Does anyone know if this is something a potential student should be worried about?
Did anyone have a go on GAPAN's mini-aptitude test? Although I have happily done a co-ordinated 30-degree turn (with a bit of rudder, pull slightly back on the nose and kept an eye on the power) without losing height, I found the GAPAN NAV/ALT test very unrealistic and, er, difficult. The joystick seemed hyper-sensitive to me.
Anyone else have an opinion on whether such simple tests are of any real value? Was I missing the point somewhere?
Lastly, I was disappointed that there don't appear to be any approved schools (for full-time integrated courses) in the NW of England. This means us poor Northerners 'aff to travel South and find a years' accommodation locally which only means less for't whippet. Anyone know why? Am I wrong?
Cheers all...
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R T Jones: If you are considering a career in aviation (for which you will need training) you may find it useful to learn the correct spelling of "JEREZ" - it has no "T" in it.