ME IR in Spain
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IR in Spain
Hi,
I will be looking to do my IR in Spain in the new year, i was wondering if anyone could give me any advise or recommendations as to which school(s) are best. I have looked at Adventia and AreoMadrid and they both look good from the website, so information from someone who has done their IR at these schools will be greatly appreciated.
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I will be looking to do my IR in Spain in the new year, i was wondering if anyone could give me any advise or recommendations as to which school(s) are best. I have looked at Adventia and AreoMadrid and they both look good from the website, so information from someone who has done their IR at these schools will be greatly appreciated.
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Check out http://www.aerofanfto.com
I don't know anything about them, except that they do IR's at a very reasonable price. They are on my short list for IR.
Hope this helps.
I don't know anything about them, except that they do IR's at a very reasonable price. They are on my short list for IR.
Hope this helps.
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IR in Spain
I have a few questions for those who've done IR's in spain.
1. Are the requirements for a spanish IR different from the UK CAA requirements? I have noticed some differences in flying hours btw UK and spanish schools.
2. Has anyone converted an ICAO IR to a Spanish IR and how much did it cost?
3. What does the UK CAA charge you for swopping a spanish IR for a UK one?
Thanks
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1. Are the requirements for a spanish IR different from the UK CAA requirements? I have noticed some differences in flying hours btw UK and spanish schools.
2. Has anyone converted an ICAO IR to a Spanish IR and how much did it cost?
3. What does the UK CAA charge you for swopping a spanish IR for a UK one?
Thanks
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One of the spanish FTOs offers this program:
15h- Piper warrior
18h- Seneca
25h- Sim (ATC 810)
This program changes btw spanish FTOs.
You dont swop anything from the DGAC to the CAA. Your spanish examiner will fill a CAA form that will be send to the CAA. And they will add it to your licence. Im quite sure about it but you can send an email to a spanish FTO to be 100% sure.
15h- Piper warrior
18h- Seneca
25h- Sim (ATC 810)
This program changes btw spanish FTOs.
You dont swop anything from the DGAC to the CAA. Your spanish examiner will fill a CAA form that will be send to the CAA. And they will add it to your licence. Im quite sure about it but you can send an email to a spanish FTO to be 100% sure.
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English Instrument Rating in Spain
Can anyone give me any info on completing an IR in Spain. I have managed to get a list of all the schools based in Spain and, have done a search on PPRUNE. The search came back with some good info but a lot of it is over a year old and, many things can change in a year! However, I have managed to get plenty of info on flight training Europe in Jerez.
I am a JAA CPL holder and, am looking at completing my IR at a Spanish flight training organisation, who offers the course in English. I am interested in hearing from students past and present, modular, or integrated (both British and, non British) on what they think of their training.
I particular I would like to know what you think of the level of instruction? Do the instructors speak good English?
Have you had any problems with ATC only speaking in Spanish?
What are the aircraft like? Are they well maintained?
I have read on a previous post Cuatro Vientos is very busy and can be quite dangerous. Is it that bad? Do you end up having to hold for a long time? Is this the same at any of the other airfields in Spain?
How long will I need to allow to complete the IR? Some schools say 3 weeks, some say 3 months.
Do you have any recommendations for accommodation?
If you have any comments you dont think are suitable for this forum please feel free to send me a personal message.
Thanks.
I am a JAA CPL holder and, am looking at completing my IR at a Spanish flight training organisation, who offers the course in English. I am interested in hearing from students past and present, modular, or integrated (both British and, non British) on what they think of their training.
I particular I would like to know what you think of the level of instruction? Do the instructors speak good English?
Have you had any problems with ATC only speaking in Spanish?
What are the aircraft like? Are they well maintained?
I have read on a previous post Cuatro Vientos is very busy and can be quite dangerous. Is it that bad? Do you end up having to hold for a long time? Is this the same at any of the other airfields in Spain?
How long will I need to allow to complete the IR? Some schools say 3 weeks, some say 3 months.
Do you have any recommendations for accommodation?
If you have any comments you dont think are suitable for this forum please feel free to send me a personal message.
Thanks.
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I did some hour building with aerofan out of cuatro vientos
2 years ago and found them very friendly.
ATC spoke english if spoken to in english and the biggest school there aeromadrid encouraged their students to transmit in english so it wasnt all that bad.....after a bit of getting used to.
as most of my flying was solo im not sure about the level of instruction but a good number of instructers spoke english.
GOOD LUCK !
2 years ago and found them very friendly.
ATC spoke english if spoken to in english and the biggest school there aeromadrid encouraged their students to transmit in english so it wasnt all that bad.....after a bit of getting used to.
as most of my flying was solo im not sure about the level of instruction but a good number of instructers spoke english.
GOOD LUCK !
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I particular I would like to know what you think of the level of instruction?
I think that is good but they will teach you some rules that they dont teach in Uk. I mean but that they will make you to make mental calculations (for VOR interceptions, DME arch....). They only use them so you can untherstand a few things. Airlines dont use them.
Do the instructors speak good English?
I know a few of them and they dont look like the have any problem.
Have you had any problems with ATC only speaking in Spanish?
Many of the people speaks in spanish to ATC but lately many people are doing it in English. Not much problem with spanish ATC.
What are the aircraft like? Are they well maintained?
The aircraft that I did fly had a really good maintained but I guess that depends on the FTO.
I have read on a previous post Cuatro Vientos is very busy and can be quite dangerous. Is it that bad? Do you end up having to hold for a long time? Is this the same at any of the other airfields in Spain?
Cuatro Vientos is a busy airport and I didnt have any dangerus situation in 100 hours. The longest holding I had was 10 min (arrival) and 20 mins for departure but I didnt have many. The other spanish airfieds are not that busy.
How long will I need to allow to complete the IR?
Around 4 weeks. But again depends on the FTO. And the hours that you do in the course. In some of the you do 33 hours real flying and 25 hours in the sim. In other ones you do 45 hours real flying.
Do you have any recommendations for accommodation?
where abouts? In Madrid?
I think that is good but they will teach you some rules that they dont teach in Uk. I mean but that they will make you to make mental calculations (for VOR interceptions, DME arch....). They only use them so you can untherstand a few things. Airlines dont use them.
Do the instructors speak good English?
I know a few of them and they dont look like the have any problem.
Have you had any problems with ATC only speaking in Spanish?
Many of the people speaks in spanish to ATC but lately many people are doing it in English. Not much problem with spanish ATC.
What are the aircraft like? Are they well maintained?
The aircraft that I did fly had a really good maintained but I guess that depends on the FTO.
I have read on a previous post Cuatro Vientos is very busy and can be quite dangerous. Is it that bad? Do you end up having to hold for a long time? Is this the same at any of the other airfields in Spain?
Cuatro Vientos is a busy airport and I didnt have any dangerus situation in 100 hours. The longest holding I had was 10 min (arrival) and 20 mins for departure but I didnt have many. The other spanish airfieds are not that busy.
How long will I need to allow to complete the IR?
Around 4 weeks. But again depends on the FTO. And the hours that you do in the course. In some of the you do 33 hours real flying and 25 hours in the sim. In other ones you do 45 hours real flying.
Do you have any recommendations for accommodation?
where abouts? In Madrid?
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CPL/IR - Spain / Portugal
Hello all ...
I wanted some advice on my future training plans .... por favor!
I am looking into doing my CPL and IR over in either Portugal or Spain, but just wanted to see what your opinions are on this, as I would like to eventually get a job with a UK airline (yeah I know, join the que!)
What would a future employer prefer given the choice between me with my sunny med CPL/IR, and another person with their CPL/IR all done in UK airspace ??
I know its all JAA FCL issued licences now, but would an employer pick the person who has done it all in UK airspace rather than myself ?
The reason im asking is because it seems to me that the majority that do go abroad, tend to go the States rather than the rest of Europe/World.
I have heard of the Flight academy in Jerez, but unfortunately my Daddy doesnt have a yacht!
Trying to save money on the training, whilst looking after my family etc etc, but dont want to save the cash only to rear-end myself and not get that job in the end by doing it this way.
Your views would be most appreciated!
ABO
I wanted some advice on my future training plans .... por favor!
I am looking into doing my CPL and IR over in either Portugal or Spain, but just wanted to see what your opinions are on this, as I would like to eventually get a job with a UK airline (yeah I know, join the que!)
What would a future employer prefer given the choice between me with my sunny med CPL/IR, and another person with their CPL/IR all done in UK airspace ??
I know its all JAA FCL issued licences now, but would an employer pick the person who has done it all in UK airspace rather than myself ?
The reason im asking is because it seems to me that the majority that do go abroad, tend to go the States rather than the rest of Europe/World.
I have heard of the Flight academy in Jerez, but unfortunately my Daddy doesnt have a yacht!
Trying to save money on the training, whilst looking after my family etc etc, but dont want to save the cash only to rear-end myself and not get that job in the end by doing it this way.
Your views would be most appreciated!
ABO
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Take care with the Spanish JAA licence - there is reported to be widescale corruption within the ground examining system and as such the licence has little or no credibility outside of Spain. If you go to Spain then ensure that you train under a UK approve FTO.
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Don't shoot the messenger -just speak to the Spanish staff at FTE in Jerez, Spanish people with experience of the Spanish system.
It is well know that a few Euros in the right place will get you the exam questions for the ATPL exams in advance of the test date.
It is well know that a few Euros in the right place will get you the exam questions for the ATPL exams in advance of the test date.
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I agree with Arthur- Sixpence. I did my training in the UK and have since flown with many Spanish pilots pilots who had recently passed their IR, I was surprised at how bad they flew and what poor quality of airmanship they had.
I my opinion many shouldn't even hold an IR. I have lived in Spain and it is a country that still runs on who you know and not what you know and many Spanish pilots have rich daddy's with connections.
I my opinion many shouldn't even hold an IR. I have lived in Spain and it is a country that still runs on who you know and not what you know and many Spanish pilots have rich daddy's with connections.
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I respect your opinions but at a recent flyer show at LHR i manage to meet a BA training Captain and he said oxford or Jerez are ok with us....a friend introduced me to Virgin's training captain and he said exactly the same thing (although virgin said that integrated or modular is ok with them..its the hours that count!)
Theres nothing wrong with FTE Jerez in Spain....one of the best schools if not the BEST!
Theres nothing wrong with FTE Jerez in Spain....one of the best schools if not the BEST!
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I was in Jerez for my ATPL and have to say that i couldn't really knock it. Saying that that was when it was BAE, the planes where British registered and the IR's and written exams were all carried out by British examiners/invigilators. I was down there a while back and have to say it didn't look like much had changed since the name 'BAE' was removed. Infact, i was told that one airline had gone down to jerez to interview studebts before they graduated (wish they had done that when i was there!). I seriously don't think Oxford is looked any better apon than Jerez, you just need to look at the amount of airlines that slowly dropped out of oxford for their training and moved to Jerez (BA, Airtours, Air Malta, Britannia one of two GAPAN guys too) Hope this helps, and as long as you keep your head down and work like a 'reallyhardworkingperson' you'll do fine wherever you end up. Best of luck, Wingman
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Flying surfer.
The UK is no differant to Spain. Many a young Briton is flying RHS in an airline where his daddy is the Fleet manager, ops manager. It is the same the world over. Up until JAR the Spanish IR was harder than the UK version with most folks flying it in a King Air or equivelant.
Arfur. "Don't shoot the messenger -just speak to the Spanish staff at FTE in Jerez, Spanish people with experience of the Spanish system. " Don't you think they have a vested interest in complaining about Spanish FTO's After all FTE is a lot more expensive than other Spanish FTO's for the same product. MOst of the staff at FTE are Spanish so perhpas there issome bitterness there.
The UK is no differant to Spain. Many a young Briton is flying RHS in an airline where his daddy is the Fleet manager, ops manager. It is the same the world over. Up until JAR the Spanish IR was harder than the UK version with most folks flying it in a King Air or equivelant.
Arfur. "Don't shoot the messenger -just speak to the Spanish staff at FTE in Jerez, Spanish people with experience of the Spanish system. " Don't you think they have a vested interest in complaining about Spanish FTO's After all FTE is a lot more expensive than other Spanish FTO's for the same product. MOst of the staff at FTE are Spanish so perhpas there issome bitterness there.
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I did my training in the UK and have since flown with many Spanish pilots pilots who had recently passed their IR, I was surprised at how bad they flew and what poor quality of airmanship they had.
Me, and a lot of Spanish pilots deserve respect!
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Does anyone have any experience of training at Aerofan (located at Cuatro Vientos, Madrid) or Aeromadrid (same location)? I'm considering doing the flying part of the IR in Spain. I've already done the written exams in the UK. In particular, what is the standard of instruction like, and what is the condition of the aircraft?
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