IR @ Tayflite Vs Multiflight
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
IR @ Tayflite Vs Multiflight
This is my first post so go easy on me if I have done anything wrong. I am looking into doing the 50 hour Instrument rating this summer with either Tayflite, Perth or with Multiflight, Leeds-Bradford.
I intend to visit both soon to get a feel for them. Tayflite say they are "friendly" and I want to know if this is a euphamism for small and dead but at least they are only an FTO where as Multiflight do other things such as aircraft charter.
Perth is not a controlled airfield does this have any bearing on the quality of experience? Leeds-Bradford is on the other hand a busy international airfield in busier airspace which may be better practice... Although the runways at Perth are more challenging !
Both have the FNPT II so there isn't that much flying although I think I will be do more than the minimum 15 hours.
I have researched both independently and both seem excellent but I would really appreciate any views on the topic as it is a lot of money.
Multiflight have a BE-76 Duchess
Tayflite have a PA-34 Seneca II
Thanks
I intend to visit both soon to get a feel for them. Tayflite say they are "friendly" and I want to know if this is a euphamism for small and dead but at least they are only an FTO where as Multiflight do other things such as aircraft charter.
Perth is not a controlled airfield does this have any bearing on the quality of experience? Leeds-Bradford is on the other hand a busy international airfield in busier airspace which may be better practice... Although the runways at Perth are more challenging !
Both have the FNPT II so there isn't that much flying although I think I will be do more than the minimum 15 hours.
I have researched both independently and both seem excellent but I would really appreciate any views on the topic as it is a lot of money.
Multiflight have a BE-76 Duchess
Tayflite have a PA-34 Seneca II
Thanks
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
....and what about Bristol Flying Centre - also an FNPT II and Senecas.... 
I visited Tayflite when I was shopping around for the IR and they seemed friendly enough. Flying in the open airspace of Scotland is great - plenty of places to practice your approaches and some real weather....
I visited Tayflite when I was shopping around for the IR and they seemed friendly enough. Flying in the open airspace of Scotland is great - plenty of places to practice your approaches and some real weather....
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No matter where you choose, it's important to ensure that you check out the following factors:
1. The reputation of your prospective instructor (is he/she well regarded in the industry or just in his/her mind - the flight training industry is full of prima donnas);
2. The current PASS RATE for recent students taking CPLs and IRs (and no, a partial does not qualify as a first time pass);
3. The state of the aircraft you will be training in (serviceability is the main bugbear with older aircraft and especially smaller operators - note here that Multiflight has its own maintenance facility);
4. The focus of the establishment and its staff (are they concerned with your training as their no.1 priority, or do they have a host of other sideline aviation interests);
5. The financial state of the organisation (does it look solid - like the aircraft, the state of the facilities can be telling);
6. The morale of other students (busy/motivated or lethargic/disillusioned).
It's important to do the research, because the quality of the training and the pleasure or otherwise, of the experience, will follow you for the rest of your career.
Good Luck.
1. The reputation of your prospective instructor (is he/she well regarded in the industry or just in his/her mind - the flight training industry is full of prima donnas);
2. The current PASS RATE for recent students taking CPLs and IRs (and no, a partial does not qualify as a first time pass);
3. The state of the aircraft you will be training in (serviceability is the main bugbear with older aircraft and especially smaller operators - note here that Multiflight has its own maintenance facility);
4. The focus of the establishment and its staff (are they concerned with your training as their no.1 priority, or do they have a host of other sideline aviation interests);
5. The financial state of the organisation (does it look solid - like the aircraft, the state of the facilities can be telling);
6. The morale of other students (busy/motivated or lethargic/disillusioned).
It's important to do the research, because the quality of the training and the pleasure or otherwise, of the experience, will follow you for the rest of your career.
Good Luck.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks everyone for your replies I intend to check out Leeds Flying School whilst I am visiting Multiflight however I think I would like to do my sim time in an FNPT II.
Hufty thanks but it has taken me long enough to get it down to two FTO's !!! Open airspace is great for PPL flying but for an IR would Leeds-Bradford not be better experience?
Absolutely Terrific thanks you have given me a lot of tips. I will certainly ask for the current pass rate but I don't know if it will be freely available.
Hufty thanks but it has taken me long enough to get it down to two FTO's !!! Open airspace is great for PPL flying but for an IR would Leeds-Bradford not be better experience?
Absolutely Terrific thanks you have given me a lot of tips. I will certainly ask for the current pass rate but I don't know if it will be freely available.
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Home
Posts: 210
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why use a FNPT II for your sim time?
The majority of the work in the CPL is just for twin familiarisation and the stuff for the IR is all on instruments so it doesnt make a difference whether you have a view out the window or not cos you wont be looking!!
An FNPT II will defo be order of the day when it comes to the MMC though!
The majority of the work in the CPL is just for twin familiarisation and the stuff for the IR is all on instruments so it doesnt make a difference whether you have a view out the window or not cos you wont be looking!!
An FNPT II will defo be order of the day when it comes to the MMC though!
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 438
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi one_knot - I did mine at Bristol which is a pretty busy international airport and didn't really find it helped. You're not in the airport environment that much and by the time you're in the aircraft you'll be doing upper air work in the local practice area and flying routes. Your workload there will be more a function of the airways structure rather than the size of the airfield you departed from. It will be busier for you in the final stages of your approaches for sure, but I found a busy airport a problem as through the 16 hours of flying I did I wasted around an hour in total orbiting while queues of jet traffic landed ahead of us. At GBP6 per minute that is a lot of money to waste. 
By the time you get to the IR you should be good at RT anyway so I'm not sure how much extra you'll learn.
By the time you get to the IR you should be good at RT anyway so I'm not sure how much extra you'll learn.
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 10,815
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I agree with rowely why FNPT II?
You don't need visuals.
I to did my IR at LFS and must have done over 100hrs on there sim dual and solo.
The Extra hours in the twin look great in your log book.
Another advantage with LFS is that if you are on a IR course they allow you to use the sim solo whenever you like.
The cougar is an exellent Instrument platform to learn on.
LFS also allow you to pay as you go.
I am sure once you have braved the reception at Multiflight and then waited until someone is ready to be bothered with you. Then wandered across to meet Dylan who has no problems about showing you round the school and leaving you with current students by yourself. For the choice to be quite quickly a LFS or Tayflight.
Now the difference between those 2 is not much I have had recently 2 friends who have had first time passes with tayflight had have had nothing but good things to say about them. Although both of them did more in the twin than was in the original program.
So i would imagine it will be down to price after that and wx at both sites. As you say Scone dosn't have any legal instrument procedures but does have better wx than LBA. LBA has some bloody horrible wx most of the year if its not blowing a gale its down to minimums or viz is 3k if your lucky.
MJ
Actually you might have a 3rd option, the old bastard H Crone has set up a IR school in PIK. He was how shall we say famous in his day as a CAAFU. But I know someone who recently has done a MEP with him and found the experence more than pleasant. I should imagine that your IR course will cover a whole lot more than the standard content to a very high standard.
Also being taught by him will possibly open a few doors at interview. And don't be suprised if you get a "that bastard gave me a partial, for picking my nose" or some such like from a Chief pilot interviewing you, but the CP will know that after Henry has finished with you, you will know what you are doing.
You don't need visuals.
I to did my IR at LFS and must have done over 100hrs on there sim dual and solo.
The Extra hours in the twin look great in your log book.
Another advantage with LFS is that if you are on a IR course they allow you to use the sim solo whenever you like.
The cougar is an exellent Instrument platform to learn on.
LFS also allow you to pay as you go.
I am sure once you have braved the reception at Multiflight and then waited until someone is ready to be bothered with you. Then wandered across to meet Dylan who has no problems about showing you round the school and leaving you with current students by yourself. For the choice to be quite quickly a LFS or Tayflight.
Now the difference between those 2 is not much I have had recently 2 friends who have had first time passes with tayflight had have had nothing but good things to say about them. Although both of them did more in the twin than was in the original program.
So i would imagine it will be down to price after that and wx at both sites. As you say Scone dosn't have any legal instrument procedures but does have better wx than LBA. LBA has some bloody horrible wx most of the year if its not blowing a gale its down to minimums or viz is 3k if your lucky.
MJ
Actually you might have a 3rd option, the old bastard H Crone has set up a IR school in PIK. He was how shall we say famous in his day as a CAAFU. But I know someone who recently has done a MEP with him and found the experence more than pleasant. I should imagine that your IR course will cover a whole lot more than the standard content to a very high standard.
Also being taught by him will possibly open a few doors at interview. And don't be suprised if you get a "that bastard gave me a partial, for picking my nose" or some such like from a Chief pilot interviewing you, but the CP will know that after Henry has finished with you, you will know what you are doing.
Last edited by mad_jock; 9th Mar 2004 at 21:05.
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Wetherby
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry first post on new name (computer probs)
I’m a 400hr PPL etc and have spent the last 2yrs contemplating whether to take the plunge into the ATPL exams. Well I’m now into mod 2 BGS (DL) and have spent the last year looking around UK flying schools as I travel with work. Here’s what I’ve decided to do after looking into the ins and outs :-
Tayflite
Went there last year and found it very friendly with excellent kit, the airspace would suit me as it is fair uncongested and would in my opinion give unhampered training. As I have said I was impressed with both the aircraft and sim. Great scenery a bonus.
Bristol
Was extremely impressed with the facilities, lots of aircraft and good availability, this shouldn’t make serviceability an issue. Also you are only changed from take off to landing. (nice). Lodgings in the local area are also plentiful and BGS just over the road.
Professional Bournmouth
Again nice aircraft bit far to travel for me to travel but I would definitely give it my consideration if I lived a bit closer.
Multiflight
Living 20 miles from Leeds this is probably in my top 2 schools, I did a night rating there in early 98. But being a keen PPL I fly from sherburn for the club environment airspace etc.
Being on my door step it would make an ideal choice as I can travel from home but Leeds is now becoming a busy airport so I have still to look into the amount of time orbiting holding etc but being from a club environment this may also make my RT top notch.
Went to there last open day and was impressed, at least 1 twin was de-iced which is good for me as I will be training in Nov (hopefully).
Been told by a lot of people to try and do as much of the training with the CFI and not his missus (wont go into the reasons but comments far from complementary). The sim is great and I was led to believe that if you both the CPL and IR with them you get a reduction on the MCC. (But not quite sure if this is still available).
Leeds flying school
Was considering this school but have definitely ruled it out now. When I visited the atmosphere was very friendly and probably just what I wanted on first my first look, I was very impressed with newish sim and the way I was treated on my first visit. Several reasons for changing my mind:-
I could not get any idea of the pass rate of the school however hard I tried.
There aircraft seem to be constantly in sherburn being fixed.
I have been advised that student’s time is not well allocated and that maintenance trips are used as training flights. They have 2 twins but 1 always appears to be under repair.
I have spoken to several past students and they have stated that a lot of time is spent sat around with note much constructive happening.
The school is half amile from the airport.
I flew a lot out of sherburn last summer when there university students where there being trained and I found there CFI to be somewhat distasteful and full of himself.
All this I feel would detract from the training I am seeking.
I will however use Leeds for my instructor rating if I do end up doing one; I have heard nothing but praise for the course and the instructor both on my travels and at other schools. Simon Anderson comes highly recommended even from their direct opposition.
Sorry for the long post I hope it helps.
I will be choosing Either Multiflight or Bristol.
GOOD LUCK
I’m a 400hr PPL etc and have spent the last 2yrs contemplating whether to take the plunge into the ATPL exams. Well I’m now into mod 2 BGS (DL) and have spent the last year looking around UK flying schools as I travel with work. Here’s what I’ve decided to do after looking into the ins and outs :-
Tayflite
Went there last year and found it very friendly with excellent kit, the airspace would suit me as it is fair uncongested and would in my opinion give unhampered training. As I have said I was impressed with both the aircraft and sim. Great scenery a bonus.
Bristol
Was extremely impressed with the facilities, lots of aircraft and good availability, this shouldn’t make serviceability an issue. Also you are only changed from take off to landing. (nice). Lodgings in the local area are also plentiful and BGS just over the road.
Professional Bournmouth
Again nice aircraft bit far to travel for me to travel but I would definitely give it my consideration if I lived a bit closer.
Multiflight
Living 20 miles from Leeds this is probably in my top 2 schools, I did a night rating there in early 98. But being a keen PPL I fly from sherburn for the club environment airspace etc.
Being on my door step it would make an ideal choice as I can travel from home but Leeds is now becoming a busy airport so I have still to look into the amount of time orbiting holding etc but being from a club environment this may also make my RT top notch.
Went to there last open day and was impressed, at least 1 twin was de-iced which is good for me as I will be training in Nov (hopefully).
Been told by a lot of people to try and do as much of the training with the CFI and not his missus (wont go into the reasons but comments far from complementary). The sim is great and I was led to believe that if you both the CPL and IR with them you get a reduction on the MCC. (But not quite sure if this is still available).
Leeds flying school
Was considering this school but have definitely ruled it out now. When I visited the atmosphere was very friendly and probably just what I wanted on first my first look, I was very impressed with newish sim and the way I was treated on my first visit. Several reasons for changing my mind:-
I could not get any idea of the pass rate of the school however hard I tried.
There aircraft seem to be constantly in sherburn being fixed.
I have been advised that student’s time is not well allocated and that maintenance trips are used as training flights. They have 2 twins but 1 always appears to be under repair.
I have spoken to several past students and they have stated that a lot of time is spent sat around with note much constructive happening.
The school is half amile from the airport.
I flew a lot out of sherburn last summer when there university students where there being trained and I found there CFI to be somewhat distasteful and full of himself.
All this I feel would detract from the training I am seeking.
I will however use Leeds for my instructor rating if I do end up doing one; I have heard nothing but praise for the course and the instructor both on my travels and at other schools. Simon Anderson comes highly recommended even from their direct opposition.
Sorry for the long post I hope it helps.
I will be choosing Either Multiflight or Bristol.
GOOD LUCK
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 453
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Have you considered Triple A at Humberside ?
I don't have any first hand experience of it but have been told the standards are very high. Also based at a fully equipped airport which isn't too busy.
I don't have any first hand experience of it but have been told the standards are very high. Also based at a fully equipped airport which isn't too busy.
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Deep inth Norhtern Hills
Posts: 264
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Would choose Tayflight because of the uncongested airspace. At Leeds you have to book the beacon and with the summer season starting soon the airport is going to get very crowded with commercial traffic.
As for Henry Crowe ex BAE flying training at Prestwick !! Mega proffesional he trains you to fly like the airlines require not just to bash a test route to pass the IR.
As for Multiflight well ? Great at taking your money of you and then treating you as a leper when you revisit the place at a later date.But turn up in a shiny jet they are all over you. Come back the good old days of Knight Air!!!!
End result I would choose Scotland less congestion allways ends up in more hands on flying instead of wasted mins at the hold or orbiting.
I wish you well in your choice and hope you enjoy it when you finally get on line with your first job!!!!!
As for Henry Crowe ex BAE flying training at Prestwick !! Mega proffesional he trains you to fly like the airlines require not just to bash a test route to pass the IR.
As for Multiflight well ? Great at taking your money of you and then treating you as a leper when you revisit the place at a later date.But turn up in a shiny jet they are all over you. Come back the good old days of Knight Air!!!!
End result I would choose Scotland less congestion allways ends up in more hands on flying instead of wasted mins at the hold or orbiting.
I wish you well in your choice and hope you enjoy it when you finally get on line with your first job!!!!!
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: UK
Posts: 870
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would echo MJ's comments about Multiflight being slightly uninterested and unhelpful. I was looking to do a multi IR renewal a few months ago which I understood I could do in the sim, but Multiflight couldn't or wouldn't give me a straight answer and their costs were rather sketchy.
Tayflite on the other hand gave me a crystal clear answer in a matter of minutes and very simple costings for the renewal. Needless to say they got my business even though Leeds is much closer.
I found the instructors and facilities to be perfectly good and I thoroughly enjoyed my visit.
Tayflite on the other hand gave me a crystal clear answer in a matter of minutes and very simple costings for the renewal. Needless to say they got my business even though Leeds is much closer.
I found the instructors and facilities to be perfectly good and I thoroughly enjoyed my visit.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: 00'00
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Captain Kevin Rowell is the CFI at Leeds.
Stu A's a top bloke, running a good sound course that's very hard to beat, did me proud and loads of good on many an occasion.
Stu A's a top bloke, running a good sound course that's very hard to beat, did me proud and loads of good on many an occasion.
Last edited by Wee Weasley Welshman; 12th Mar 2004 at 17:29.