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Unfortunately I think the sale of these questions could backfire on everybody else still studying for the ATPL exams.
If I was the JAA I would probably approve a whole new set of questions to be introduced to counteract this.
This would definately be a problem as I don't agree taht the ATPL exams prove a very good test of knowlege or even a test of exam technique.
They really test you on how good you are on JAR ATPL type questions (i.e. mostly b%llocks) and specifically remembering copious amounts of feedback.
I did here a rumour that the JAA were going to release all of the question bank into the public domain. This was just after I was sitting my final set of exams (Nov 2002). Obviously it didn't happen.
Good luck to everybody else doing it.
May the force be with you!
FIS.
If I was the JAA I would probably approve a whole new set of questions to be introduced to counteract this.
This would definately be a problem as I don't agree taht the ATPL exams prove a very good test of knowlege or even a test of exam technique.
They really test you on how good you are on JAR ATPL type questions (i.e. mostly b%llocks) and specifically remembering copious amounts of feedback.
I did here a rumour that the JAA were going to release all of the question bank into the public domain. This was just after I was sitting my final set of exams (Nov 2002). Obviously it didn't happen.
Good luck to everybody else doing it.
May the force be with you!
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I agree, this is something we could really do without. All we need is the JAA rushing through a new set of questions, as happened at the beggining, and we are in trouble.
I hope they don't make a penny.
LF
I hope they don't make a penny.
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Fair enough guys - but you have to admit for just a second - it's tempting!!!!
What this made me think of was the PPL confuser. Surely this is not the best system either?
In the meantime anyone wishing to start a syndicate to buy them should contact me!!!!!
What this made me think of was the PPL confuser. Surely this is not the best system either?
In the meantime anyone wishing to start a syndicate to buy them should contact me!!!!!
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silverknapper,
Now I never said it wasn't tempting
I will be sitting MOD 2 in a couple of months, so have done most of the hard work already, so I am happy to admit there is a degree of jealousy in my opinion, BUT, if they do (Big IF I agree) decide to start again form scratch I would not want to be sitting any exams for quite some time.
Alex seems to think that with the Q&A's being quite old the status quo will prevail. I hope he's right.
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Now, about that syndicate ........
Now I never said it wasn't tempting
I will be sitting MOD 2 in a couple of months, so have done most of the hard work already, so I am happy to admit there is a degree of jealousy in my opinion, BUT, if they do (Big IF I agree) decide to start again form scratch I would not want to be sitting any exams for quite some time.
Alex seems to think that with the Q&A's being quite old the status quo will prevail. I hope he's right.
Cheers
LF
Now, about that syndicate ........
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There you've got me.
If I was in a re-sit situation, and if I'm honest, show me the questions, maybe - my morality can be a tad shallow at times
If I'm honest,
First, if I have had to do the time, so should everyone else - now I know this may appear selfish, but talk to any instructor and he or she will say the same.
Second. If the course material wasn't so bloody in depth at times, with absolute crap you will never need, but related more accurately and concisely to the job you are aiming for, I would be much happier loosing a chunk of my life learning it.
Anyhow, thank you for highlighting my miserable moralistic effort.
Good Luck with Mod 2
Back to the books.....
Cheers
LF
If I was in a re-sit situation, and if I'm honest, show me the questions, maybe - my morality can be a tad shallow at times
If I'm honest,
First, if I have had to do the time, so should everyone else - now I know this may appear selfish, but talk to any instructor and he or she will say the same.
Second. If the course material wasn't so bloody in depth at times, with absolute crap you will never need, but related more accurately and concisely to the job you are aiming for, I would be much happier loosing a chunk of my life learning it.
Anyhow, thank you for highlighting my miserable moralistic effort.
Good Luck with Mod 2
Back to the books.....
Cheers
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The JAA aren't about to create another QB from scratch because of this.
They'll continue adding to the QB they have, but there's no way they'd dump all the questions already in the QB
Ian
They'll continue adding to the QB they have, but there's no way they'd dump all the questions already in the QB
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There is no way anybody is going to memorise the answers to thousands of questions.
Take Gen Nav, there are about 20 different styles of question, each with futher permutations of parameters and 'best fit' answers. What you have to learn is the abstract - how to solve the problem.
Take Met, there are so many possible answers from one question, that a bit of weasle wording will soon get you in trouble if you just learn by rote.
Take Flight Planning, the answers are all there, you just have to know where to look.
Instruments, hmm, possibly. But again, the weasle wording will send you the wrong way. Learning by rote is a recepie for environmental capture.
Errrm M&B, easy. Just remeber the forumla. No rote is even relevant. If you need to cheat on this then you shouldn't even be flying.
The only possible use this question bank could be is for the 'easy' subjects, HPL and COMMS. COMMS is a no brainer and HPL just requires a little bit of effort.
Personally, I think the JAA question bank is very cleverly put together. Not only are they testing your knowledge but your ability to work between the gaps, extract the relevant detail and your ability to make light work of heavy weather.
I predict that you will get what your Ground School has put togther...plus all the dross! Now you have to sift through it. In short, more work and more chance of failing.
Take Gen Nav, there are about 20 different styles of question, each with futher permutations of parameters and 'best fit' answers. What you have to learn is the abstract - how to solve the problem.
Take Met, there are so many possible answers from one question, that a bit of weasle wording will soon get you in trouble if you just learn by rote.
Take Flight Planning, the answers are all there, you just have to know where to look.
Instruments, hmm, possibly. But again, the weasle wording will send you the wrong way. Learning by rote is a recepie for environmental capture.
Errrm M&B, easy. Just remeber the forumla. No rote is even relevant. If you need to cheat on this then you shouldn't even be flying.
The only possible use this question bank could be is for the 'easy' subjects, HPL and COMMS. COMMS is a no brainer and HPL just requires a little bit of effort.
Personally, I think the JAA question bank is very cleverly put together. Not only are they testing your knowledge but your ability to work between the gaps, extract the relevant detail and your ability to make light work of heavy weather.
I predict that you will get what your Ground School has put togther...plus all the dross! Now you have to sift through it. In short, more work and more chance of failing.
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I think that it is worng that they sale the question bank I think that should be free.
I have seen that question bank and I can say that is very good but it is written is Europenan english. And it does not have any anexs.
I have seen that question bank and I can say that is very good but it is written is Europenan english. And it does not have any anexs.
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And there's me thinking that the whole point of spending 6 months of my life studying was to learn all the subjects in order to pass 14 exams and use what I've learnt in the future. Not memorise a load of questions.
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As Mr. Seager rightly points out it is very unlikley that the JAA will scrap the CQB because someone has released a batch of questions. There are a few websites offering feedback that have been gained in the age old way of people remembering questions when they come out of the exam hall. Add to that the torturous method that the JAA approve questions by committee, the length of time it would take to get a years worth or questions just doesn't bear thinking about.
There is no substitute for learning the subject. If you try to memorise questions alone you will fail. Guaranteed.
What feedback can provide is getting the "feel" of how the the questions are worded in euro-english. If you practice enough with feedback you start to recognise certain patterns and in certain cases be able to pick out the correct answer before you have finished reading the question. Dont forget, though, the devious b
ds at the JAA & CAA know this and will go out of their way to try an trip you up. Caveat Emptor.
On saying this, my own experience is that feedback does play an important role in getting through the exams, just be careful not to rely on it as some sort of "magic pill". The exams require a bucket load of hard slog.
The argument as to whether it is relevant to being a commercial pilot is pointless. The authorities have decided it is, so we just keep jumping through the hoops until the rules change again and the goalpost are shifted once more.
There is no substitute for learning the subject. If you try to memorise questions alone you will fail. Guaranteed.
What feedback can provide is getting the "feel" of how the the questions are worded in euro-english. If you practice enough with feedback you start to recognise certain patterns and in certain cases be able to pick out the correct answer before you have finished reading the question. Dont forget, though, the devious b
ds at the JAA & CAA know this and will go out of their way to try an trip you up. Caveat Emptor.On saying this, my own experience is that feedback does play an important role in getting through the exams, just be careful not to rely on it as some sort of "magic pill". The exams require a bucket load of hard slog.
The argument as to whether it is relevant to being a commercial pilot is pointless. The authorities have decided it is, so we just keep jumping through the hoops until the rules change again and the goalpost are shifted once more.
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Not sure if this is the exact site being mentioned but worth a try
MTV - I've removed your link. Not being precious about advertising or morality but pragmatic. The format and questioning techniques are so different from the published FAA question banks as to render them useless. Memorising the answers doesn't work in anything other than the two or three baby subjects. Trying to use these answers for the rest of the papers will lead to tears and failure. The feedback techniques are much more effective for JAA exams. However, anyone desperate enough will be able to find them with a search engine.
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MTV - I've removed your link. Not being precious about advertising or morality but pragmatic. The format and questioning techniques are so different from the published FAA question banks as to render them useless. Memorising the answers doesn't work in anything other than the two or three baby subjects. Trying to use these answers for the rest of the papers will lead to tears and failure. The feedback techniques are much more effective for JAA exams. However, anyone desperate enough will be able to find them with a search engine.
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Your reply smacks of censorship, thought this was a free medium, and where serious pilots are free to make up their own minds. some of us have passed our exams and are interested to research the feedback world. Yes we can find it with a search, but this is website that is used to pass on ideas and thoughts, and not have that ability taken away due to one persons opinion.
Your reply smacks of censorship, thought this was a free medium, and where serious pilots are free to make up their own minds. some of us have passed our exams and are interested to research the feedback world. Yes we can find it with a search, but this is website that is used to pass on ideas and thoughts, and not have that ability taken away due to one persons opinion.
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Paddy, it's a matter of choice. I choose not to have the link here. Half an hour ago I chose to switch the search engine back on for the night period.
If I get things consistently wrong this site will echo to the sound of rolling tumbleweed. So far and for the prior 8 years this hasn't happened.
This is a private site and it is censored somewhere many, many times a day both automatically and through the intervention of our mods. Every reader makes the decision as to whether visiting here is, overall, worthwhile.
We have never advertised, never issued a press release. You all found us and not the other way around. This forum stands for wannabees and not those making a living from them. This includes thieves trying to scam 450 quid from the hapless, lazy or dim.
It's just another way of looking at things. It's the opinion of one person. The opinion of one person created this site. The opinions of one person (WWW) forcefully put created this forum. That's how these things happen. Sometimes we offend people but we are the ones who create, innovate, develop and actually make things happen. We are working professional pilots who put something back instead of taking from wannabees.
However, and as an accurate generalisation, those who collate and disseminate feedback on any significant scale are also making at least part of their living from wannabees.
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If I get things consistently wrong this site will echo to the sound of rolling tumbleweed. So far and for the prior 8 years this hasn't happened.
This is a private site and it is censored somewhere many, many times a day both automatically and through the intervention of our mods. Every reader makes the decision as to whether visiting here is, overall, worthwhile.
We have never advertised, never issued a press release. You all found us and not the other way around. This forum stands for wannabees and not those making a living from them. This includes thieves trying to scam 450 quid from the hapless, lazy or dim.
It's just another way of looking at things. It's the opinion of one person. The opinion of one person created this site. The opinions of one person (WWW) forcefully put created this forum. That's how these things happen. Sometimes we offend people but we are the ones who create, innovate, develop and actually make things happen. We are working professional pilots who put something back instead of taking from wannabees.
However, and as an accurate generalisation, those who collate and disseminate feedback on any significant scale are also making at least part of their living from wannabees.
Regards
Rob Lloyd
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I fully agree with Flypuppy that there's no substitute for properly gained knowledge when it comes to the JAA ATPL exams. I wouldn't waste my hard earned on buying apparent question banks and only put up the link for (hopefully mature & intelligent) people to decide for themselves as to their worth. These question banks aren't a quick-fix solution to not having learned the course content properly, their only useful purpose as I see it is to give you some idea of how questions are phrased and what exactly is being asked. Spend your extra e650 with your ground school for extra grinds, you'll learn more and most likely get the passes 1st time out.
The site provides an informative, useful and often funny resource and deserves full credit for doing so, if it is deemed by the Mods to be for the greater good that the link was inappropriate and should be removed then it's not without good reason.
MTV
The site provides an informative, useful and often funny resource and deserves full credit for doing so, if it is deemed by the Mods to be for the greater good that the link was inappropriate and should be removed then it's not without good reason.
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Point taken, and I agree about making money from wannabees, god knows I spent enough, my own personal reasons are honest enough, trying to get the feedback and info out to the newbees for free, the way I wished it had been done. Truth be told we have all used the feedback route in some way. This will always be a geat site.
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It does not necessarily have to be 650 euros anyway. At the time of writing 945 peeps had viewed this post. For under a quid you could rally the troops grab a set of those notes put them on a website or share them via p2p or burn them or whatever other creative way you can think of. Then those of us that value studying can continue following the lesson plans that the schools provide and use the question bank merely as a refresher and for exam practice. Some peeps will invariably "cheat" (I use the term loosely) and try to rote learn the material. Good on them if they can get away with it although they might well become unstuck at any job interviews that have a technical bias. Power to the people!